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10-23-2009, 01:34 AM
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Auld was lousy from the get go. Quick had a poor 3rd. If he'd have kept those bad goals out of the net, no one (not even you) would have said Quick had a bad 40 minutes.
Come on Tony. There were far too many scrambles that resulted from Quick being unable to control the first shot. Half of those he only saved by virtue of not being opaque, because was down and out and was lucky the D tied up sticks and the puck happened to hit him.

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Who else thought it was really nice of Auld to give Kopi his third goal and first career hat trick?

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What did you guys think of Stoll's play?

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Auld was lousy from the get go. Quick had a poor 3rd. If he'd have kept those bad goals out of the net, no one (not even you) would have said Quick had a bad 40 minutes.
i didn't like the way he was playing the entire time. he was soft on the puck and had trouble reading the play all night. he was having some sort of issue on his right side and a great deal of Dallas' looks tonight came from that side.

Auld gave up three very good goals, two fantastic plays by Kopitar and Simmonds' came off the beautiful pass by Fro. maybe a goalie more "on his game" gets his stick out on that first one by Anze, but other than that he faced a TON more quality shots than Quick did, including the game winner, which is the type of play you don't blame a goalie on because that play came on a change of possession off the defender's stick and went right to Handzus. Jon faced like 3 of 5 shots in the first from beyond 25-feet, one resulted in a goal, and 5 of 6 shots in the 3rd were from further than 30-feet out, two of which were goals and two were from the boards almost directly outside and across from the faceoff dot.

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10-23-2009, 01:44 AM
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Come on Tony. There were far too many scrambles that resulted from Quick being unable to control the first shot. Half of those he only saved by virtue of not being opaque, because was down and out and was lucky the D tied up sticks and the puck happened to hit him.
Listen... if you want to spend time telling me about how scrambly a goalie is, knock yourself out. I couldn't care less. The only thing I care about is that he kept all but one puck out of the net for 40 minutes. That's all that matters to me.

Quick has solid fundamentals. We don't have bad goaltending. He laid an egg in the 3rd. I watched his post game interview. He knows he had a rough game. We all agree he needs to keep more pucks from going in the net, particularly stoppable ones. He needs to play for 60 minutes, and I'm sure he'll have a solid bounce-back game on Saturday.

In case it's not obvious, I'm not really in the mood to discuss goaltending. I came in here to celebrate a gritty team win tonight in the face of a lot of adversity and read some praise about Kopitar's spectacular achievement tonight, and instead all I get treated to is a bunch of posts about how we should bring up Bernier and how awful Quick was.

We don't win this game last season. Kopitar was awesome. Simmonds was terrific, as was Brown. Handzus the veteran takes the team on his shoulders and scores a huge goal.

I'll just say woot and let folks go back to *****ing about how scrambly our goaltending was.

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What did you guys think of Stoll's play?
Decent at times, but if we had to get rid of one for a 'true' second line center, I would dump Stoll in a heartbeat over Zues. Felt that way for a long time now.

Stoll wasn't bad, and he made some really strong plays, but I don't think he really fits on this team anymore.

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10-23-2009, 01:45 AM
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What did you guys think of Stoll's play?
I thought he was invisible for the most part, except when he chickened out on taking a hit and not getting the puck out of the zone on the Fistric goal.

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What did you guys think of Stoll's play?
strong. though i thought he made the wrong decision on that pass to Lewis which eventually ended up resulting in a Dallas goal. i think he needs to go up the boards in that scenario rather than sending a pass into someone's feet.

he's still gotta get his faceoffs back on track.

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10-23-2009, 01:48 AM
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Listen... if you want to spend time telling me about how scrambly a goalie is, knock yourself out. I couldn't care less. The only thing I care about is that he kept all but one puck out of the net for 40 minutes. That's all that matters to me.

He laid an egg in the 3rd. We all agree he needs to keep more pucks from going in the net, particularly stoppable ones. He needs to play for 60 minutes, and I'm sure he'll have a solid bounce-back game on Saturday.

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I'm sure he will. I'm not about to dump on Quick as our #1, but I don't think this was one of his stronger games, even if he only did let it 1 through 2 periods. He was good enough for 40 minutes. Sure, good enough will win you games when the defense is on, but if he plays like this when the defense isn't clicking as well, we are going to lose. I'd like to see stronger games than this as a general rule, that's all.

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I can't believe I'm saying this but our true test will be facing Phoenix again on Saturday. The league's all topsy-turvy. Figures that the projected losers of the year are atop the standings the season we decide to get better.

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If Quick has a good game against Phoenix and you guys start singing his praises, I'm gonna rage.

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If Quick has a good game against Phoenix and you guys start singing his praises, I'm gonna rage.
Wait... now saying a player could play better when they could and played well when they do is worth raging over?

I'm glad the team's attitude isn't "well we won so everything is fine".

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If Quick has a good game against Phoenix and you guys start singing his praises, I'm gonna rage.
why?

i still like Quick fine. i just think he was pretty stinky tonight. he could have the game of Jacques Plante's career against Phoenix and lose 3-0, and i'll praise him just the same.

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10-23-2009, 02:01 AM
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Stoll has lost his shot. That is the biggest thing that I see. Facoffs, he is inconsistent, but his shot is gone. A second line center either needs to have a solid shot or play the type of game Kopi plays. Stoll does neither. He does hustle but is too small to be a physical factor.

Purcell had a rough game.

Brown was better but he takes at least 2 shots per game that would only beat a goaltender in mite.

Jack had a quiet good game. His offensive instincts are dynamite. He knows where the puck is and where it's going to be.

Did everyone see that Doughty spin move? Even my 2 year old daughter said oooh...only she was referring to a Care Bear v. Mickey Mouse incident in the living room.

FWIW, Kopitar could have had 5 goals this game. He has a lot of good chances, especially in the first.

The Stars' forward Benn is a good player. Rookie, I believe. He reminds me of what we want Purcell to become. Let's get him

I don't know what to think of Frolov. A good first. An ok second. Pretty much nothing in the third. He came out strong in the OT. He is the polar opposite of Brown. Speaking of Brown, he was going for a couple of big hits tonight. Brown is playing with more confidence and his skating looks to have picked up. He still makes odd decisions with the puck in the offensive zone but the puck was less of a hot potato tonight.

Heidi is hot. That purple scarf she wore only drew my eyes to one spot.

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About the announcer, David Courtney, the regular announcer, announces the Angels games when they are in the playoffs.

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What did you guys think of Stoll's play?
I think he has been pretty bad so far this season. He has lacked tenacity, vision, and has been taking very poor shots for someone known entirely for his shooting and faceoff capability.

He made a nice defensive play today and had himself a slightly better game, but largely looked overwhelmed and wearing the same blinders at times. His decent play cancels out with his being out there for a goal against.

He needs to step it up and start making better decisions and taking better shots soon if he wants to be a powerplay specialist or a top 6 player in general.

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The Stars' forward Benn is a good player. Rookie, I believe. He reminds me of what we want Purcell to become. Let's get him
We already did

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Also, what the hell was Murray thinking in the third?

Benching Ivanans and Lewis?

Harrold played WAY too much in the 3rd. Purcell deserved his benching for not covering the point on the 3rd goal, but Lewis played a very strong game, and should not have been benched in the third. Ivanans also had one of his better games and I think could have played a few shifts in the third with the way he was playing. Shortening the bench so much and only rolling 3 lines was a bad idea.
Disagree with you here.

That goal was set up by a poor pass from Stoll. He should have gone up the boards, but instead put it right in Lewis' skates. I don't really blame Purcell for that goal - after the turnover and in the scramble that followed, Lewis left his position and picked up the wrong man - Purcell got caught delaying, trying to think it out, and was a little late to get over.

It's just a case of unfamiliarity creeping in, and truth be told, if you are going to give a up a shot in that situation, they gave the right one up. The defense read it right and boxed out the Stars down low. It had no business going in, but it did.

Purcell and Lewis had solid first periods, but their play slipped a little. I don't think Lewis saw the ice again after that goal, and Purcell had maybe one PP shift.

The Stoll, Harrold and Richardson line played very well after that - how could you find any fault there?

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So Brown got an assist but didn't get the +1.

Why?

He skated off the ice between his pass and the goal being scored.

Weird.

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So Brown got an assist but didn't get the +1.

Why?

He skated off the ice between his pass and the goal being scored.

Weird.
I thought the assist was a little generous at the time too. I can't remember exactly, but I thought that the puck went right by Dustin on that line change before Smyth tapped it ahead.

Either way, Brown had his game going tonight.

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I really think Murray should use his timeouts more though. In the interviews tonight he described the thought of doubt slowly entering the minds of his players in the third period. As a coach, it is his job to eliminate that sense of doubt and get the team going. Even after the tying goal, you would think he would call it just to settle them down and go over how to win the game and keep Dallas from getting a point in the final minutes, but no, he just lets things play on.

If I were Dean, I would tell Murray that I never want him to allow a game to finish without using it. Use it every third period short of it giving a rest or advantage to the opposition.

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Frolov looked better. Not like he was "set the world on fire", but he was better.

Simmonds didn't look out of place on the top line.

Even if they go 5 games without getting points, Kopitar and Smyth should never split up.

Johnson is good. As is Doughty. I worry about Drewiske for an entire season. I like him, but I think he's reached his potential.

Quick was good through 2, and really bad in the last period. This is a point of contention. The goaltending has to be better. To the point where goaltending can steal a game if need be.

I really think the most underrated player of the season so far has been Michal Handzus. Very happy for him to get the game winner, but he is a very valuable player.

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Disagree with you here.

That goal was set up by a poor pass from Stoll. He should have gone up the boards, but instead put it right in Lewis' skates. I don't really blame Purcell for that goal - after the turnover and in the scramble that followed, Lewis left his position and picked up the wrong man - Purcell got caught delaying, trying to think it out, and was a little late to get over.

It's just a case of unfamiliarity creeping in, and truth be told, if you are going to give a up a shot in that situation, they gave the right one up. The defense read it right and boxed out the Stars down low. It had no business going in, but it did.

Purcell and Lewis had solid first periods, but their play slipped a little. I don't think Lewis saw the ice again after that goal, and Purcell had maybe one PP shift.

The Stoll, Harrold and Richardson line played very well after that - how could you find any fault there?
Good points, all. I was at the game so I didn't see any replays really and always miss a few things from up in the 300's. I don't think Purcell's indecision helped and I agreed with his benching based more on his play slipping, like you said. He started making some really bad decisions and overall was hesitant.

As for the Richardson-Stoll-Harrold line, its not that I thought they played poorly so much as it is I thought they played too much. I think we should have rolled 4 lines in the third. Rolling only 3 took away most of the advantage of Dallas having played the night before.

Double shifting someone like Simmonds or Brown would have been preferable to rolling 3 lines.

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I thought the assist was a little generous at the time too. I can't remember exactly, but I thought that the puck went right by Dustin on that line change before Smyth tapped it ahead.

Either way, Brown had his game going tonight.
i'd like to see Brown and Frolov together again for at least another game.

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I think Drewiske, as solid of a dude as he is, is going to get injured at some point this season. He can't protect himself from hits for squat...the dude leaves himself open to at least one highlight-reel big hit from the opposition every game. That's gonna wear on him as the season goes on.

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