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10-28-2009, 09:25 PM
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suprised Belak didn't go with Boogard or Scott tonight..

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If we win... we will be lucky little ducklings...

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If we win... we will be lucky little ducklings...
agreed.


we have played a good road game, with the exception of 2 minutes.

2 minutes that almost cost us the game.

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10-28-2009, 09:31 PM
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we have played a good road game, with the exception of 2 minutes.

2 minutes that almost cost us the game.
Remember it is better to be lucky than good...

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wow, can't believe they beat the wild on the road.

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10-28-2009, 09:38 PM
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I can't believe we won. With a SHG at that, by Smithson at that, with Pekka in net at that, crazy world out there, crazy world.

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10-28-2009, 09:39 PM
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Smithson I can't believe it..but you're my hero tonight, where in gods name did he pull that out of. Smithson needs to teach Erat how to score it looks like. Now we have to win on our own ice. But man I'm glad we ended up winning that.

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10-28-2009, 09:41 PM
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OK I have a few complaints.

1. How in the FREALING HELL do you let them score three goals in five minutes!

2. Legwand (1 shot) Erat 0

3.Did hamhuis just get three turnovers in one shift? Or was I dreaming

4. Erat you gotta shoot the damn puck. The Minnesota announcers were like "wtf was he thinking! he should have shot that puck instead of trying to make a fancy play!"

5. If we actually were able to pass tape to tape, we would have had not one but TWO breakaways with Sullivan, but because the puck was behind him, he had to cool his jets in order to pick up the puck. Stupid.


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10-28-2009, 09:42 PM
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OK I have a few complaints.

1. How in the FREALING HELL do you let them score three goals in two minutes! :mad:
fixed.

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10-28-2009, 09:46 PM
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We have GOT to stop blowing leads in the 2nd, especially as the result of a penalty.

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10-28-2009, 09:50 PM
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Burns should just quit life. Dangled by Smithson shorthanded.

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10-28-2009, 09:51 PM
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BTW, 2-0 on GDT's..

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WFOME, please resume as regularly scheduled for tomorrow's game! Too much pressure! hahaha

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10-28-2009, 09:53 PM
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I'm going to defend Erat here.... he actually shot the puck tonight and looked like he was thinking shot. He clanged a shot off the iron in the 3rd. I think he actually shot that puck that the Wild announcers (and the scorer) thought was a pass back to the point but whatever. Tonight was the first game all year where he was looking to shoot.

My only other thought: For all of our doom and gloom, a 5 game .500 road trip is a nice road trip. Now we need to actually get a streak going.

Oh, I forgot, it was nice to see Zids again tonight. That failed keep-in/ muffed blue line play on a PP that led to a shorthanded goal against brought me right back to the days when I got to see that on a nightly basis. Thanks for the memories Z!!!!

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I'm going to defend Erat here.... he actually shot the puck tonight and looked like he was thinking shot. He clanged a shot off the iron in the 3rd. I think he actually shot that puck that the Wild announcers (and the scorer) thought was a pass back to the point but whatever. Tonight was the first game all year where he was looking to shoot.

My only other thought: For all of our doom and gloom, a 5 game .500 road trip is a nice road trip. Now we need to actually get a streak going.

Oh, I forgot, it was nice to see Zids again tonight. That failed keep-in/ muffed blue line play on a PP that led to a shorthanded goal against brought me right back to the days when I got to see that on a nightly basis. Thanks for the memories Z!!!!
In fairness, and I'm not trying to pick on or continue to batter Erat, but I saw him pass up multiple shots from decent scoring areas and one from a great scoring area. The one in particular that comes into mind is when he got a nice pass from somebody and was all alone to walk in on net. I mean there was NO ONE between Erat and the goal. Instead of driving the net hard he slowed up and tried to force a pass to a guy that wasn't even open.

It's just amazing right now that with how much Erat has the puck during the game how little he actually creates.

The road trip was OK. We rebounded and didn't completely collapse the way we thought was possible but still I haven't seen anything that makes me have real hope for the season. Mabye I'm being a doom and gloomer. We shall see.

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10-28-2009, 10:17 PM
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Baby steps though... it's a long road back for Erat.

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10-28-2009, 10:23 PM
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In the inexplicable land of Barry Trotz,

TOI leader tonight: Kevin Klein at 24:05.....

Suter with 22:13 and Weber with 21:22. Boullion at 20:49. Hamhuis at 19:46 and Franson at 12:24.

I don't understand it either my friends. Its stupid. Its unexplainable. Its Barry Trotz.

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10-28-2009, 10:49 PM
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In the inexplicable land of Barry Trotz,

TOI leader tonight: Kevin Klein at 24:05.....

Suter with 22:13 and Weber with 21:22. Boullion at 20:49. Hamhuis at 19:46 and Franson at 12:24.

I don't understand it either my friends. Its stupid. Its unexplainable. Its Barry Trotz.

I'm not a fan of his goalie hook. Keenen used to yank goalies like crazy too. Goalies are strange creatures and seem to need some kind of familiar structure. Eventually coincidence becomes a pattern that has a specific reason. The faces change in net every year and he seems to get the same result. Mason good one year, Mason crap the next year and Ellis good. Ellis crap (sophomore slump) and Rinne good. Now Rinne crap (heard sophomore slump again) and Ellis good. Now it's squeezed down even more. Tonight 2 periods good and 3 mins crap and out you go.
Most of the times a goalie gets yanked it's done to send a message to the rest of the team to pull thier heads out of their collective *****. But it becomes like crying wolf if you do it too much. The rest of the team is so used to it that it holds no weight anymore and you wreck whatever positives that your goalie did have going. The Preds just seem to have the same end result every year even though the faces have changed. Pretty soon you have to look at the common denominator of your team and see if that is the issue.
Just my observation from afar.

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In the inexplicable land of Barry Trotz,

TOI leader tonight: Kevin Klein at 24:05.....

Suter with 22:13 and Weber with 21:22. Boullion at 20:49. Hamhuis at 19:46 and Franson at 12:24.

I don't understand it either my friends. Its stupid. Its unexplainable. Its Barry Trotz.
Now you know Klein has gotten his hands on the goat picture.

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10-28-2009, 11:06 PM
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What's with the "buy one goal, get 2 free" promotion we're offering this season? How many of these goal-clusters are we going to suffer through before something changes?

On the plus side, we had probably our best sustained pressure of the season at points tonight. The Wild are a visibly different team without Lemaire behind the bench.

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10-28-2009, 11:07 PM
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I'm not a fan of his goalie hook. Keenen used to yank goalies like crazy too. Goalies are strange creatures and seem to need some kind of familiar structure. Eventually coincidence becomes a pattern that has a specific reason. The faces change in net every year and he seems to get the same result. Mason good one year, Mason crap the next year and Ellis good. Ellis crap (sophomore slump) and Rinne good. Now Rinne crap (heard sophomore slump again) and Ellis good. Now it's squeezed down even more. Tonight 2 periods good and 3 mins crap and out you go.
Most of the times a goalie gets yanked it's done to send a message to the rest of the team to pull thier heads out of their collective *****. But it becomes like crying wolf if you do it too much. The rest of the team is so used to it that it holds no weight anymore and you wreck whatever positives that your goalie did have going. The Preds just seem to have the same end result every year even though the faces have changed. Pretty soon you have to look at the common denominator of your team and see if that is the issue.
Just my observation from afar.
Sorry, but you're argument holds no water tonight. Ellis deserved to be pulled when he was. 3 shots, 3 goals. First one was through a screen and he had no chance, but the last two he got caught anticipating and was unable to make the save because he guessed on the shot location before it was released and got committed leaning the wrong way after a deflection on the second goal and Nolan kicking the puck to his stick about two feet away on the second.

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couple of things...


1) what may look like a good shot to you doesn't always equate on the ice to the guy with the puck. gotta take into account all the sticks, skates, and humans in the way. too often these fan induced shots go the other way, too often on the pp.

2) on the toi. 3 games in 4 nights. weber and suter will log a lot of minutes tomorrow trying to shut the hawks attack down and more than likely try to shut the stars scorers down after the whipping they gave us last time.

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10-28-2009, 11:24 PM
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In the inexplicable land of Barry Trotz,

TOI leader tonight: Kevin Klein at 24:05.....

Suter with 22:13 and Weber with 21:22. Boullion at 20:49. Hamhuis at 19:46 and Franson at 12:24.

I don't understand it either my friends. Its stupid. Its unexplainable. Its Barry Trotz.
Two things...

1) Trotz doesn't change the defensemen, Peterson does...

2) If you look closer at the stats, Weber had 31 shifts and Klein tied Suter with 30 shifts. Klein got PK time and also got every shift after a PP giving him extra shifts, but if you look closely, Klein (:48) and Bouillon (:49) had the longest average shift. Therefore, IMO Klein got stuck in his end for most of the night and was also one of the defensemen on the ice for both long sustained attacks in the Minnesota end of the ice.

Hamhuis was coming back off of a concussion and missed the last four games so I wasn't expecting him to get major minutes and Bouillon took some really hard shots tonight that probably took a little time to recover from on the bench. Franson certainly isn't going to get a ton of ES time, so...I really don't think the ice time was that skewed after all when you look at all the stats...

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Sorry, but you're argument holds no water tonight. Ellis deserved to be pulled when he was. 3 shots, 3 goals. First one was through a screen and he had no chance, but the last two he got caught anticipating and was unable to make the save because he guessed on the shot location before it was released and got committed leaning the wrong way after a deflection on the second goal and Nolan kicking the puck to his stick about two feet away on the second.
My point wasn't about tonight. I've played defense for over 30 years and I always took it personally when my team gave up a goal. I would always try harder afterward to make sure that it didn't happen again. The Preds defense is awful in front of it's own net. It seems like as soon as they get scored on they get scored on again right away because everyone is scrambling around trying too hard and trying to do other people's job and not doing their own job. When you yank the goalie the first time then usually the other 20 guys take the blame on themselves. When you keep doing it you give them a place to put the blame and you lose the accountability that everyone should have. I know it comes with playing goalie but I feel it makes them play tight if they know they can't screw up.
I guess my main point is that if what you're doing isn't working, try something else. The Preds offense looks tight this year and the defense is just messy. They've looked a little better the past couple of games but nowhere near where they should be yet.

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My point wasn't about tonight. I've played defense for over 30 years and I always took it personally when my team gave up a goal. I would always try harder afterward to make sure that it didn't happen again. The Preds defense is awful in front of it's own net. It seems like as soon as they get scored on they get scored on again right away because everyone is scrambling around trying too hard and trying to do other people's job and not doing their own job. When you yank the goalie the first time then usually the other 20 guys take the blame on themselves. When you keep doing it you give them a place to put the blame and you lose the accountability that everyone should have. I know it comes with playing goalie but I feel it makes them play tight if they know they can't screw up.
I guess my main point is that if what you're doing isn't working, try something else. The Preds offense looks tight this year and the defense is just messy. They've looked a little better the past couple of games but nowhere near where they should be yet.
I understand your point and agree to an extent. It is a fine line when it comes to yanking the netminder, but tonight was simply a night that the team needed a couple of saves they didn't get and the Preds needed a major momentum shift.

The Preds allowed 1 shot on goal the remainder of the period (17+ minutes) and I think did take it personally. One thing that has really been obvious throughout the struggles this season has been that the team is sticking together. There has been no finger pointing on this team and they are committed to pulling out of this funk as a team.

I guarantee you tonight though Elly would agree that he didn't play his best at the start of the second and the rest of the team would say the same. It's a process. And I definitely agree with you that it must start with cleaning up the defensive zone coverage.

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