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10-29-2009, 12:25 PM
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Isn't this Randy Jones the guy who KO'd Bergeron?

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I'm so confused. . . Who is Randy Jones ("Still Tippin" beat in the background)

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Right...DL just forked over 1.37 mil so Jonesy could get comfortable being a healthy scratch until 2 of the kings dmen go down with injury.
Jones is a security blanket. TM/DL's not going to arbitrarily pull someone on D out of the lineup when they've been playing well just because we acquired a #7 D-man who was destined for permanent residency in the AHL.

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10-29-2009, 12:32 PM
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It's a $1.37MM security blanket. TM/DL's not going to arbitrarily pull someone on D out of the lineup when they've been playing well just because we acquired a #7 D-man who was destined for permanent residency in the AHL.

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Let me try this approach. Do you think that TM would rather start Harrold or Jones on defense? My guess is Harrold. So, if that's the case, Harrold is our 7th dman and the proverbial "security blanket" according to how TM sees it. Jones right now looks to be the 8th dman or 7th dman at very best.

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OD is going to need a rest sooner or later. The guy was completely gassed by the end of the season last year. And if we make the playoffs, him getting a night off here or there will be huge.

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10-29-2009, 12:38 PM
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You can knock Harrold all you want but how many games has Harrold actually started on defense?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a bad acquisition but I just have to wonder who's going to sit? Drewiske? OD? I suppose they can rotate amongst 3 or 4 dmen.
I like Petey Harrold just fine but I'd rather have Jones on the back-end if it comes down to that. I know Harrold has been used primarily as a winger but the six guys playing defense right now aren't going to play in all 82 games...O'Donnell has already missed 2.

I don't think they have any problem paying Jones $1.37mm to sit in the box. These are the guys still paying Cloutier and McCauley and the guys who paid Preissing double what Jones is making to sit on his ass and try not to fall over last season.

As for me getting a big head, it's much too late for that

For those of you wondering who Randy Jones is, here is his website:

http://www.randyjonesworld.com/Randy...orld/Home.html

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10-29-2009, 12:40 PM
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Let me try this approach. Do you think that TM would rather start Harrold or Jones on defense? My guess is Harrold. So, if that's the case, Harrold is our 7th dman and the proverbial "security blanket" according to how TM sees it. Jones right now looks to be the 8th dman or 7th dman at very best.
I would say Jones. Harrold is a defensive fourth line winger now, and both TM and DL have experience with Randy Jones. When TM was defensive coach for the Flyers, Jones put up 71GP 5G 26A 31PTS and was a +8... Harrold hasn't put up those kind of numbers.

I don't see a problem with Dean paying him to linger on the bottom. He is a UFA at the end of this year, and if AEG is willing to pay it, it doesn't cost the organization much in tangible assets outside of a little over a million in cap space for the rest of this year.

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I would say Jones. Harrold is a defensive fourth line winger now, and both TM and DL have experience with Randy Jones. When TM was defensive coach for the Flyers, Jones put up 71GP 5G 26A 31PTS and was a +8... Harrold hasn't put up those kind of numbers.

I don't see a problem with Dean paying him to linger on the bottom. He is a UFA at the end of this year, and if AEG is willing to pay it, it doesn't cost the organization much in tangible assets outside of a little over a million in cap space for the rest of this year.
Exactly.

If you trade for some more depth on defense, which is needed for this squad, you are going to have to pay that player just like you have to pay Jones.

Jones did not cost Lombardi an asset outside of cap space which isn't really an issue at this point.

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10-29-2009, 12:51 PM
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Isn't this Randy Jones the guy who KO'd Bergeron?
Yes it is.

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I would say Jones. Harrold is a defensive fourth line winger now, and both TM and DL have experience with Randy Jones. When TM was defensive coach for the Flyers, Jones put up 71GP 5G 26A 31PTS and was a +8... Harrold hasn't put up those kind of numbers.

I don't see a problem with Dean paying him to linger on the bottom. He is a UFA at the end of this year, and if AEG is willing to pay it, it doesn't cost the organization much in tangible assets outside of a little over a million in cap space for the rest of this year.
I think my point got lost somewhere along the way. The point, the main point that I was trying to make was that I think Jones will play in more games than some of you guys think. I see Jones in more of a rotation rather than as a filler for when someone gets injured.

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I would say Jones. Harrold is a defensive fourth line winger now, and both TM and DL have experience with Randy Jones. When TM was defensive coach for the Flyers, Jones put up 71GP 5G 26A 31PTS and was a +8... Harrold hasn't put up those kind of numbers.
Valid point. There are guys out there that only thrive when playing within a certain system.

See Brent Sopel.

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I'm trying to figure out why Philly did this. Couldn't they have left him in the AHL and not have the 1.5 (or whatever) cap hit? I don't know what their cap situation is but I think they're up against it aren't they? How does this benefit Philly?
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I think my point got lost somewhere along the way. The point, the main point that I was trying to make was that I think Jones will play in more games than some of you guys think. I see Jones in more of a rotation rather than as a filler for when someone gets injured.
If he's used in a rotation then it will be to give OD a rest from time-to-time in my opinion.

The other thing about Jones is that he can play the point on the power play.

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I'm trying to figure out why Philly did this. Couldn't they have left him in the AHL and not have the 1.5 (or whatever) cap hit? I don't know what their cap situation is but I think they're up against it aren't they? How does this benefit Philly?
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When I was proposing to Philly fans ideas for a trade involving Jones and Carcillo, I mentioned how Holmgren seems like one of those GMs that won't let a "good guy" like Jones rot in the minors. Some of the Flyer fans agreed that Holmgren would find a place for him so that wouldn't happen.

Could be a pre-cursor to another deal though that sheds salary for Philly so they can sign Forsberg. That's the tin foil hat scenario anyways.

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When I was proposing to Philly fans ideas for a trade involving Jones and Carcillo, I mentioned how Holmgren seems like one of those GMs that won't let a "good guy" like Jones rot in the minors. Some of the Flyer fans agreed that Holmgren would find a place for him so that wouldn't happen.

Could be a pre-cursor to another deal though that sheds salary for Philly so they can sign Forsberg. That's the tin foil hat scenario anyways.


Tinfoil Bob says that we claim Randy Jones, then turn around and steal Forsberg as well and go on to win the Stanley Cup.

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If he's used in a rotation then it will be to give OD a rest from time-to-time in my opinion.

The other thing about Jones is that he can play the point on the power play.
Exactly! And that further proves my point that he will be used in a rotation with OD and probably 44DD. Granted, I didn't know much about Jones but looking over his numbers, he can be an asset now and for the remainder of the season imo.

There's what...about 70 games remaining. Even with everyone healthy, sit 44DD and OD about 15 to 20 games each and that's 30-40 games for Jones. I can definitely see something like that happening.

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When I was proposing to Philly fans ideas for a trade involving Jones and Carcillo, I mentioned how Holmgren seems like one of those GMs that won't let a "good guy" like Jones rot in the minors. Some of the Flyer fans agreed that Holmgren would find a place for him so that wouldn't happen.

Could be a pre-cursor to another deal though that sheds salary for Philly so they can sign Forsberg. That's the tin foil hat scenario anyways.
I can see that happening especially now with Gagne out for a long stretch period. Big Prediction King has spoken.

By the way, love your "sweaters".

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Some info on Jones, along with the video of his hit on Bergeron: http://lakingsnews.com/2009/10/29/ra...bye-to-flyers/

I'm kind of indifferent to this move, leaning towards liking it a little.

One of those no harm no foul moves.

I suspect most of Flyer fan whining over him is just because they are so scared of the cap stopping them from trading for or dressing this or that player. We have the luxury of judging him without the big dollar bias (not to be confused with the Big King Bias, which, as you might predict, is that he knows the future )

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I wonder if he'll play the point on the PP? I've been saying we needed another defenseman since the summer and had a feeling this might happen. I'm sick of seeing forwards playing the point. Even Stoll makes me nervous.

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Some info on Jones, along with the video of his hit on Bergeron: http://lakingsnews.com/2009/10/29/ra...bye-to-flyers/

I'm kind of indifferent to this move, leaning towards liking it a little.

One of those no harm no foul moves.

I suspect most of Flyer fan whining over him is just because they are so scared of the cap stopping them from trading for or dressing this or that player. We have the luxury of judging him without the big dollar bias (not to be confused with the Big King Bias, which, as you might predict, is that he knows the future )
If I knew the future, I would not have become a Kings fan

Thinking about the point on the power play...maybe Murray dresses Jones and sits Ivanans when they go up against a "weaker" team.

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If I knew the future, I would not have become a Kings fan

Thinking about the point on the power play...maybe Murray dresses Jones and sits Ivanans when they go up against a "weaker" team.
Then who plays the 12th forward slot? Double shift someone?

I guess I could see that though, since Jones is a tough guy as well.

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Jones can also be a special teams specialist. Either way, we gain something for nothing and now we no longer need another veteran D.

I really don't know what the Flyers were thinking. If there is not more to this, then this is some serious mismanagement on their part. Now they are literally up against the cap wall by like $300k. They weren't trying to get rid of him, they wanted to actually bring him up and use him in their lineup. Very risky gamble which just crippled them financially for the season.

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Then who plays the 12th forward slot? Double shift someone?

I guess I could see that though, since Jones is a tough guy as well.
You could just double shift some guys throughout the game. I'm just spitballing here.

Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but Jones is not tough. This is nowhere near Gauthier 2.0 and the Bergeron hit can easily be compared to the Scuderi hit earlier this week: normal plays made by relatively clean players that wound up going wrong.

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Thinking about the point on the power play...maybe Murray dresses Jones and sits Ivanans when they go up against a "weaker" team.
TM says Ivanans and Harrold sits for no one.

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You could just double shift some guys throughout the game. I'm just spitballing here.

Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but Jones is not tough. This is nowhere near Gauthier 2.0 and the Bergeron hit can easily be compared to the Scuderi hit earlier this week: normal plays made by relatively clean players that wound up going wrong.
Well aware. I make a point of knowing who around the league is a dirty, mean SOB, and Jones has never blipped on that radar.

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