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10-31-2009, 10:31 AM
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Taylor or Tyler - The 2010 Draft Thread

And with the Number 7 pick in the draft....

Canes Profiles:
Alexander Burmistrov: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=531516 (6/11)
Brett Connolly: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=531522 (6/14)
Cam Fowler: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=531527 (6/15)
Brandon Gormley: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=531583 (6/16)
Mikael Granlund: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=531586 (6/17)
Erik Gudbranson: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news....id=DL|CAR|home (6/18)
Ryan Johansen: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news....id=DL|CAR|home (6/21)
Nino Niederreiter: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=532173 (6/22)
Jeff Skinner: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=532376 (6/23)
Vladimir Tarasenko: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news....id=DL|CAR|home (6/24)

Yep, I did this the past few years and we're back for more. With the way this season has gone, the title is most appropriate. In 08 I posted my preview towards the end of the season and nailed our pick (Boychuk at #14) with my preliminary rankings. The year before? I had us taking Hamill, but REALLY wanted Petrecki in 07. Last year was different in that I got things started early. Called an early riser (Kane) and totally missed on our pick (Paradis) who was barely on my radar at the draft. I liked Kivisto early in the season, and we got him.... in the 7th.

So with that said, here's an early look at the draft.
ISS Top 10: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11963
1. TAYLOR HALL LW 6'1 185 L Nov 14/91 Windsor OHL
2. CAM FOWLER LD 6'2 190 L Dec 5/91 Windsor OHL
3. TAYLER SEGUIN C 6'1 186 R Jan 31/92 Plymouth OHL
4. KIRILL KABANOV LW 6'3 176 R Jul 16/92 Moncton QMJHL
5. BRANDON GORMLEY LD 6'1 175 L Feb 18/92 Moncton QMJHL
6. JOHN MCFARLAND LW 6'1 195 R Apr 2/92 Sudbury OHL
7. BRETT CONNOLLY LW 6'2 181 R May 2/92 Prince George WHL
8. MIKAEL GRANLUND LW 5'10 176 L Feb 26/92 HIFK FinE
9. VLADIMIR TARASENKO F 5'10 167 L Dec 13/91 Sibir KHL
10. ERIK GUDBRANSON RD 6'3 199 R Jan 7/92 Kingston OHL

Red Line Report Top 10: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...e-report_N.htm
1. Tyler Seguin C 6-1/183 R 31 JAN 92 Plymouth
2. Taylor Hall LW 6-0/182 L 14 NOV 91 Windsor
3. Cam Fowler D 6-2/198 L 05 DEC 91 Windsor
4. Kirill Kabanov LW 6-2/177 L 16 JUL 92 Moncton
5. Vladimir Tarasenko RW 5-10/172 L 13 DEC 91 Novosibirsk
6. Brett Connolly (*Injured) LW 6-2/184 R 02 MAY 92 Prince George
7. Mikael Granlund C 5-9/171 L 26 FEB 92 Karpat
8. Brandon Gormley D 6-2/184 L 18 FEB 92 Moncton
9. Derek Forbort D 6-4/190 L 04 MAR 92 U.S. NTDP U-18
10. Jaden Schwartz C 5-9/178 L 25 JUN 92 Tri-City (USHL)

And the granddaddy of them all, Bob McKenzie's top 10: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11944
1. Taylor Hall
2. Cam Fowler
3. Tyler Seguin
4. Kirill Kabanov
5. Brett Connolly
6. John McFarland
7. Brandon Gormley
8. Erik Gudbranson
9. Vladimir Tarasenko
10. Mikael Granlund

I particularly like Bob's as it has some insight into each prospect rather then just a number as we get with ISS. And it's a better read then Redline... doesn't hurt that Bob is arguably the best analyst in all 4 major sports right now.

I will say though that I don't like McFarland too much as a prospect. Don't get me wrong he lit up the bantam level and was considered for exceptional talent status. But the fact of the matter is that he's yet to translate that into the type of production that we've seen out of Seguin or Hall. It's probably going to take significant production along those lines for me to change my mind on him.

Connolly, despite being a consensus Top 7 guy, worries me a lot as well. So far with his injury history he's gone from being a consensus top 5 guy to having a bit of speculation about him. He could fall much like Jared Cowen did last year, but I don't see him slipping much past 10.

Truly this year is more a "1A, 1B, 1C" type year ala 2003 where the top 3 of Staal, Horton, Fleury could have gone in any order. I don't think this year is nearly as deep, but the draft is similar to 2006 in terms of the level of top end talent.

Here's my top 5 with a bit of a take on each:
1. F Tyler Seguin - The biggest thing that separates Seguin from Hall in my opinion is the team he plays on. Seguin HAS to be the go-to guy on his team because let's face it, all he's playing with is essentially AJ Jenks and Michal Jordan. Not exactly elite company. Last year people said he was producing because of his linemates (Terry and Caria), but he's even more productive this year playing with even less talent. I personally think he'll be more of a playmaker then goal scorer at the NHL level, but we'll see, he can do both exceptionally well. Can play center, but was originally a wing and could easily be moved back at the NHL level.

2. LW Taylor Hall - If you want pure excitement out of your #1 pick, this is your guy. He is possibly the fastest player in the draft in years and whether you want to compare him to Bure or Gaborik (sans glass groin) he's an elite offensive talent. Many scouts would have ranked him ahead of Tavares, Hedman and Duchene last year had he been eligible.

3. D Cam Fowler - He's essentially the "total package", just not as "mean" as he could possibly be. He ranks right up there with the top tier of defensemen from the past few drafts in EJ, Doughty and Bogosian. Although I may be biased as he's an American.

4. LW Kirill Kabanov - The very highly skilled Russian has been on the radar for a few years now. And now that he's playing for Moncton the "KHL factor" is significantly diminished making him a likely top 5 selection. He has elite offensive skills and has been using that mostly as a playmaker with Moncton this year.

5. D Brandon Gormley - A shutdown defenseman that played and was dominant in all situations in the U-18s last year. Has exceptional vision and hockey sense with and without the puck by all reports and could legitimately challenge Fowler to be the first defenseman off the board.

next 5:
6. LW/C Mikael Granlund
7. D Erik Gudbranson
8. LW Brett Connolly
9. RW Vladimir Tarasenko
10. D John Merrill (US U-18)


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10-31-2009, 10:42 AM
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As a Jeff O'Neill fan, I cannot help but be struck by John McFarland as being cut from the same cloth. Both Richmond Hill, ONT natives. Both with amazing shots. Both with a wealth of physical play to their game. Both centers likely to be wing converted.

Depending on where we end up, he could be a good pick in the 5-8 range. Still far too early to tell one way or the other on that, but just another one to watch.

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That's not a bad comparison at all really, in fact I like it. Both guys can also play the power game when they're motivated to do so. I'm just waiting for the guy to put it all together in the OHL but there's no question that the talent is there for him. This year has a lot of depth (about 1-15 or so) in the first round and a bunch of guys after that scattered all over the place that have star potential. Possibly the best German prospect ever in Tom Kuhnhackl is in this draft as well and could go first round or early second.

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We really need that pick. And with that pick, i mean top 5 pick. We need young stud for bright future. I know will be very long season with bad results, poor games, no efforts but this is something that should happening.

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I'm hoping the Canes get my namesake Cam Fowler if they continue to struggle.. although preferably they'll be picking in the high teens or higher come June.

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I personally would want Taylor Hall. We always want Staal to get an elite winger and I think this guy would be it.

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eh, im a fan, and im stickin with the team, but im in on the tanking.....lets go for top 5!

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How deep is this year's draft? I'd put a bet on the Canes making enough ground back to end up one out of that. So if it's like 5, then we'll finish 6th...

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How deep is this year's draft? I'd put a bet on the Canes making enough ground back to end up one out of that. So if it's like 5, then we'll finish 6th...
pretty deep. It's not 2003 deep but it's about 2008 deep. Odds are if you're in the top 6 you're getting a legit star, and if you're in the top 10-15 you're getting a first line talent. After that it's guys scattered around the draft. But you WANT a top 6 pick. This is a fairly good year for Americans, especially from the blueline. It's also a strong OHL year, but the WHL seems to be a bit down in high end prospects. Really strong Russian year as well.

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pretty deep. It's not 2003 deep but it's about 2008 deep. Odds are if you're in the top 6 you're getting a legit star, and if you're in the top 10-15 you're getting a first line talent. After that it's guys scattered around the draft. But you WANT a top 6 pick. This is a fairly good year for Americans, especially from the blueline. It's also a strong OHL year, but the WHL seems to be a bit down in high end prospects. Really strong Russian year as well.
Awesome, thanks!

Sounds like a good year to tank. Though like I said, I'd bet on us ending up with like the 7th pick then. Just our luck.

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I could see any of the top-three (Hall, Fowler, Seguin) as equally tempting to Rutherford on draft day. Hall would be THE ANSWER to the question of who plays on the top-line with Staal. Fowler would present Rutherford an opportunity to reclaim what he thought he had in Jack Johnson. With Seguin, the obvious Plymouth connection comes into effect.

I would be happy with any of them.

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JR isn't going to take another defenseman that high if he has the chance. I'd bank on it.

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is it Se-goo-in or Segwin or seg-win?

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None of them. It's like "say again" without the "a" at the beginning of "again". That's a terrible way of explaining it, but that's the only way I know how.

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bumped and updated standings.... more to come later.

edit: ISS top 30 for November is out:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_november/

McFarland (2 to 10), Hishon (8 to 12) and Kuznetsov (10 to 21) are falling right now. Gormley and Connolly are new to their top 10.

Can't say I disagree with McFarland dropping like this. He was one of the most hyped prospects for years but has yet to put it together. I'm not saying the guy will be the next Angelo Esposito, but I really don't see the huge potential in him that many did for years. He could still develop into a Jeff O'Neill type but in a draft like this that probably shouldn't be one of the top 10 picks.


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I totally just wasted a lot of time. Didn't see your reply in the GDT & forgot about this.

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Hopefully our helpful Canes board moderating team merges the two threads. I definitely like the photos and information on Seguin and Hall in yours.

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Hopefully our helpful Canes board moderating team merges the two threads. I definitely like the photos and information on Seguin and Hall in yours.
I was thinking the same thing, merging... Get creative mods.

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Hall might be in Red&White, unfortunately the logo might not be a hurricane.

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Hall might be in Red&White, unfortunately the logo might not be a hurricane.
You'd have to win the draft lottery at this rate or JR would have to go with the Plymouth Pipeline connection. Either way it goes, Seguin or Hall, here I'll be thrilled.

Hall might be a better fit in the long run really, give Staal an elite sniper to set up so he can actually display his playmaking skills. Not to mention Hall is an elite skater as well, so a Hall-Staal-Cole line would drive the opposition crazy trying to stop them.

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None of them. It's like "say again" without the "a" at the beginning of "again". That's a terrible way of explaining it, but that's the only way I know how.
I'm a little late but I saw this.. I've watched a few Plymouth games this year and they pronounce it "Sey-gin." Not like gin the drink but the latter portion of the word "begin"

It's weird because I know someone with the last name Seguin but it's a completely different pronunciation.

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It's definitely Say-gin (soft g, like you say).

I really think he's the best fit for the Canes. Can shift to RW, and his game would look great next to Staal.

Cole-Staal-Seguin: Holy crap Eric would have a lot of room to work
Jokinen-Sutter-Ruutu: Really hard-working unit
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Here's my pre-WJC (yeah I know we're still about 20 days away) top 15:
1 - LW Taylor Hall, Windsor
2 - C/RW Tyler Seguin, Plymouth
3 - D Cam Fowler, Windsor
4 - D Brandon Gormley, Moncton
5 - LW Kirill Kabanov, Moncton
6 - LW Brett Connolly, Prince George
7 - C/LW Mikael Granlund, HIFK
8 - D Erik Gudbransson, Kingston
9 - C Vladimir Tarasenko, Sibir
10 - D Mark Pysyk, Edmonton
11 - D Derek Fobort, USNTDP
12 - C Joey Hishon, Owen Sound
13 - C Alexander Burmistrov, Barrie
14 - LW Quinton Howden, Moose Jaw
15 - G Jack Campbell, USNTDP

I keep flirting with the idea of putting McFarland in there, but until he puts it together he's on the outside looking in.

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Fantastic list, but like you said.... man it's hard to not have McFarland in there. I would probably have him somewhere from 10-13.

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