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11-04-2009, 07:05 PM
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With Vinny L not doing that well and with his contract being soooooo long I actually think the Rangers could move Drury, Rozsival to TB along with a 1st, Sanguinetti. Rangers would have to take back a few Dmen from TB like Hale and Kraijek and likely give up another prospect/picks

it's more possible now with Vinny
youve got 2 no movement clauses in that deal, and 1 partial no trade clause.

trying to get 3 people to waive those clauses in 1 deal would have to be some kind of a record...

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11-04-2009, 07:12 PM
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there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL I would trade michael del zotto....the kid is playing like a superstar NOW...and he's friggin 19 years old.
Yeah, I wouldn't trade him neither. With how he's is playing, I wouldn't mind at all to throw a Sanguinetti in the deal tho.

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11-04-2009, 07:13 PM
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Yeah, I wouldn't trade him neither. With how he's is playing, I wouldn't mind at all to throw a Sanguinetti in the deal tho.
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there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL I would trade michael del zotto....the kid is playing like a superstar NOW...and he's friggin 19 years old.
Exactly. I'll take an elite defensemen (and MDZ will be that) over an elite forward any time. Especially if he's younger, a hell of a lot cheaper, and signed for years.

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Hey, I'm not considering moving every good prospect we got, but we would have to give up something of value in return for Lecavalier, in the limits of reason of course. That would certainly cost us a blue chip among the Grachev, Anisimov, Stepan, Sangs and others. That's why I'm asking your opinions guys.

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11-04-2009, 07:24 PM
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If they decided to deal him, we've got the salary to make it work.

Rozsival, Higgins, Dubi (2/3 are all in Torts' dog house anyway) and then the prospect/pick sampling is probably enough to start the convo.

Because, after all, if Vinny's getting dealt, it's to save cash, and Higgins is gone at the end of the year, Dubi's a good young player and Rozy has to go to make the salaries work.

I'd say there's about a 25% chance of this happening, but the players we could part with (that make sense for both sides) are now officially in play, I'd suspect.

Problem is that if Tampa is willing to take Rozy, Higgins and Dubi they'll want ****loads of prospects with those 3. I'm thinking along the lines of: 2 of Ani, Grachev or MDZ plus someone like Sangs or Stepan or McDonagh.

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11-04-2009, 07:27 PM
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We've got so many "D" prospects that there's no way in hell they can all play on the team. 4 of our 6 on the team are 25 (and he's a rookie) and under. In the system we have Sangs, Heikkinen, Sauer, Potter, McDonagh, Williams, and Kundratek. I think 3 or 4 are guaranteed to be top 6 NHL defensemen at some point in the near future (Sangs, Sauer, McDonagh, Williams). They can't all play here and we need to use some of these to help us up front. I don't want Vinny's contract, though, it's too large. I'd rather trade for younger and less $.

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11-04-2009, 07:28 PM
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Offer Dubinsky, Rozsival, Paranteau, and a 1st and go from there.
They would laugh at us if we offered that. Rozy is overpaid and garbage, PAP is nothing more than good career minor leaguer and Dubinsky's upside is probably good 2nd liner. Our 1st would probably be in 20-25 range since Lecavs would make us a better team.

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11-04-2009, 07:37 PM
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Sangs value would be pretty high right now after his start in the ahl. only one of the big contracts that could be moved is rozy. drury is **** and has a NMC. redden has been our best dman and although hes got a terrible contract, if we acquire vinny than we are obv in a win the cup this year or next mode, so we would want to keep a dman playing the best on our team.

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11-04-2009, 07:37 PM
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Extremely realistic.

In fact, I guarantee he comes to NY. By January 19th, the latest.

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11-04-2009, 08:30 PM
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my thinking is this; if one of Redden, Rozy or Drury could potentially be dealt, doesnt it make more sense to save the picks/kids and sign Kovalchuk for the same price or a little higher? Lecavelier has had only 2 superstar-esque seasons. Hes Ollie Jokinen overrated. Kovalchuk scores 40+ every year and sometimes 50.

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11-04-2009, 08:48 PM
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Why would they take multiple firsts? If this is a deal that makes the Rangers Cup contenders, their #1 picks are going to late picks.
So only high first rounders are valuable? Come on. It probably takes 2 or 3 of them, but where they figure to end up is a big part of why it'd take 2 or 3 of them.

There's just no good hockey reason for the Bolts to trade Vinny. His getting moved is purely financially motivated.

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11-04-2009, 08:49 PM
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So only high first rounders are valuable? Come on. It probably takes 2 or 3 of them, but where they figure to end up is a big part of why it'd take 2 or 3 of them.

There's just no good hockey reason for the Bolts to trade Vinny. His getting moved is purely financially motivated.
Why would they settle for late picks when they are in a position to get better and more assets than that?

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11-04-2009, 08:59 PM
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I think it's VERY likely that we'll see Vinny in New York. I mean, we do play Tampa, what, twice a year in the Garden? So he should play at least one of those games.

In all seriousness, we have so much youth coming up the pipes, I'd like to see how things shake out before we start trading. Who knows, Step might become that first liner we desire. Maybe Werek. Maybe even Dubi or AA, who are already here. Hell, maybe even Campbell will suddenly learn to play on 5-on-5. (He's already a great power play specialist.) Not likely, but let's see how things shake out first.

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11-04-2009, 09:00 PM
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Why would they settle for late picks when they are in a position to get better and more assets than that?
I don't know about that. Very few teams both want to and can afford to take on that contract. I'm not saying you get him for nothing (I'd do a deal built around Dubinsky), but I'm not sure it would take an absolute killing to get him. No way I trade Del Zotto, Grachev, Anisimov, or Stepan though.

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If I were a Tampa GM, I would trade St. Louis and Lecavalier for picks and prospects. Get another top 3 pick, plus another 4-5 first rounders (or first round quality prospects) for Vinny/Louis. All of a sudden, you are team of the future.

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11-04-2009, 09:08 PM
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I don't know about that. Very few teams both want to and can afford to take on that contract.
Right now the Rangers can't afford to take him on without moving salary.

So basically, they would have to get the Bolts to take one of Redden, Rozsival or Drury. Do the Bolts want those guys?


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No way I trade Del Zotto, Grachev, Anisimov, or Stepan though.
Then you're probably not going to get him.

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11-04-2009, 09:22 PM
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Right now the Rangers can't afford to take him on without moving salary.

So basically, they would have to get the Bolts to take one of Redden, Rozsival or Drury. Do the Bolts want those guys?
I am not advocating it, but it's possible cap-wise. I am sure some team would take Rosie for their playoff run. Struggling or not, he can be expected to be a better than average veteran defenseman, especially if he's not constantly boo'ed. We'd replace him with a much cheaper Sanger or Heineken.

We could also easily deal Higgins and Kotalik.


The salary of the 3 of them minus Sanger's salary is about $10. That's enough to squeeze Vinny in.

I'd do Vinny for Kreider, but I doubt they will do it.

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11-04-2009, 09:32 PM
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I am not advocating it, but it's possible cap-wise. I am sure some team would take Rosie for their playoff run. Struggling or not, he can be expected to be a better than average veteran defenseman, especially if he's not constantly boo'ed. We'd replace him with a much cheaper Sanger or Heineken.

We could also easily deal Higgins and Kotalik.


The salary of the 3 of them minus Sanger's salary is about $10. That's enough to squeeze Vinny in.

I'd do Vinny for Kreider, but I doubt they will do it.
So basically, you get rid of those guys and don't take any salary back?

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Right now the Rangers can't afford to take him on without moving salary.

So basically, they would have to get the Bolts to take one of Redden, Rozsival or Drury. Do the Bolts want those guys?




Then you're probably not going to get him.
Well I look at it this way:
1) The premise of this thread is that they're looking to move him and get out from under his contract.
2) The Rangers are one of the few teams that would and could take that contract.
3) No team that would and could take that contract also has the cap room to just add his contract straight up.
4) Given these conditions in order to make a deal Tampa has to take salary back. Their goals are therefore to take back significantly shorter deals and gain young talent.

Now let's say the Rangers were to offer Dubinsky, Rozsival, Sanguinetti, and a first or two. That's one good young NHL center with potential, an NHL-ready offensive-defenseman prospect, picks, and Rozsival for salary purposes. That replaces nine more years of a $7 million cap hit with two more years of a $5 million cap hit. They also save about $66 million.

In this situation, which seems to be the only situation where Tampa deals Lecavalier anyway, I don't see Tampa finding a better combination of savings, cap relief, and young talent.

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VL4 - 7.8MM
Paul Ranger - .933, RFA end of season

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Roszival (5.0)
Higgins (2.25)
Brashear (1.4)
Stepan
1st

Even cap hits (actually less cash on TB's end bc VL is making 10MM this year)

basically an exercise in futility, but lecav has been underwhelming this year so maybe TB will be willing to settle for less than full value to extricate themselves from his contract? In a couple of years Stepan could be their 2nd line C behind Stammer, and the 1st pick this year is in a fairly strong draft.

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So no matter how ridiculous or impossible it seems to work with the cap, it can never be ruled out, even if it costs 3,480 #1 draft picks.

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I'd do Vinny for Kreider, but I doubt they will do it.

Kreider and who else with him?

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I love Lecavalier but his contract is just terrible.

STAY AWAY.

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----With Tampa:
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Callahan
Girardi
Anisimov
Drury
Doyle
1st

Lecavalier
Ashton


***We keep***
Staal
Del Zotto
Gilroy
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Kreider
Werek
McDonagh

I am NOT willing to give away any of them. That's the core to build with.

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