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Zherdev or Kotalik

View Poll Results: Either on Kotalik's 3 year 9 million deal - Who would you rather have?
Kotalik 130 75.58%
Zherdev 28 16.28%
Tie - I can't decide. 14 8.14%
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11-06-2009, 09:19 AM
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Zherdev or Kotalik

So, we signed Kotalik for three million which could have been spent on Zherdev. There was a lot of complaining at the time. Given his performance so far, who would you rather have?

My vote goes for Kotalik. Although Zherdev has superior stick handling, speed, passing and arguably defense - I really appreciate what Kotalik brings to the team. Kotalik has 12 power play points compared to Gaborik's 8 and Del Zotto's 9. Without his booming shot, our powerplay would simply not be as good. Even strength, he has 3 goals, which is tied with Lisin for second on the team. With his shot, he is simply always a threat in the offensive zone. Zherdev was always a threat IF he felt like making a move. But Kotalik only has to get open and shoot.

I like to compare Kotalik to Souray and other defenseman with booming shots for the PP. Compared to Souray - his contract is an absolute steal.

The best argument for Zherdev is that we need more passers and have enough shooters. But I have any reason to believe that Zherdev would suddenly start using all his skill and performing to his potential. Therefore, I'll gladly take what Kotalik brings.

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11-06-2009, 09:25 AM
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i'd rather have Koty for the PP, not just for that hes just dominate on the ice, he makes good moves, nice plays, i really like him .

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11-06-2009, 09:28 AM
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Right now i am really liking Kotalik. He fits in well on this team and has given them something they sorely need on the PP, a big shot.

I knew he had a cannon but wow, he can really shoot it - and more importantly on net. I also think hes a professional and does a lot of little things that go unnoticed. He hustles too. I loved Zherdevs upside but Kotalik is simply getting it done right now. I think you have to go with him on the simple fact that he changes the dynamic of this team on the PP. Teams are going to focus on him not getting the shot off and hes a heads up, quick and decisive passer on the point and that will open up other chances to score from the others on the unit.

Zherdev was a much more dynamic player with a ceiling that could have been very high here, but I never got the impression any team built a part of their gameplan around stopping Zherdev, even when he was going good. But its more about what this guy did when things werent going good. We've seen what has happened when players dont do things away from the puck when they arent scoring. They get benched. I have a feeling he wouldnt have been seeing much time under Tortorella anyway, but who knows - Torts is a type of coach that brings the best out in certain individuals. Maybe Zherdev wouldve been one those players, but I gotta go with Kotalik on this one. On pace for around 30 goals and 70 points right now is pretty damn impressive. Hoping he keeps it up.

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11-06-2009, 09:38 AM
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They bring different things to the table.

Kotalik is a PP specialist, plays hard, and is willing to get a little dirty.

Zherdev is a playmaker, and likes to carry the puck.

That being said, Kotalik fills a greater need than Zherdev would/did. Our PP was desperate for his shot and he's a solid winger at ES.

Ideally we'd have both, though. We could still use another playmaker.

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11-06-2009, 09:42 AM
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They bring different things to the table.

Kotalik is a PP specialist, plays hard, and is willing to get a little dirty.

Zherdev is a playmaker, and likes to carry the puck.

That being said, Kotalik fills a greater need than Zherdev would/did. Our PP was desperate for his shot and he's a solid winger at ES.

Ideally we'd have both, though. We could still use another playmaker.
Doesn't get any better said then that.

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11-06-2009, 09:49 AM
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They bring different things to the table.

Kotalik is a PP specialist, plays hard, and is willing to get a little dirty.

Zherdev is a playmaker, and likes to carry the puck.

That being said, Kotalik fills a greater need than Zherdev would/did. Our PP was desperate for his shot and he's a solid winger at ES.

Ideally we'd have both, though. We could still use another playmaker.
Well said.

I would like to have seen what Zherdev could do on this team. If he could put up the numbers he did on the offensive black hole that was last years team, I would like to see what he could do on a faster team where he is not the primary scoring threat.

Still, we don't know how him and Torts got along or how they would have this season. When Zherdev skated all-out he looked nearly unstoppable. The only problem was that he rarely if ever did. I doubt Torts would put up with that.

Hard to not like what Kotalik has brought.

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11-06-2009, 09:57 AM
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Are you kidding? Kotalik, and its not even close.

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Are you kidding? Kotalik, and its not even close.
Its extremely close. I think we could have used both. Kotalik is obviously a lethal addition to the powerplay. Im curious to see what Zherdev would have been capable of playing in Gaborik's shadow. Lord know we could use some playmaking ability on the 2nd/3rd lines.

I think its about equal, although Del Zotto is a huge reason for the improved powerplay, moreso than Kotalik.

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11-06-2009, 10:03 AM
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Kotalik can't really score on his own, which is the biggest problem. He's not exactly a player I'd rely on to provide secondary scoring if Gaborik is held off the board or injured. Not that he can't provide that scoring, just that I'd rather have another legit 60-70 point player to pick up Gaborik's slack.

Whether that person is Zherdev...can't say, might have been frustrating to have him on this team

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Both. Kotalik is important for the PP, but at E.S. he's a non factor... i think its the reverse for Zherdev.

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Kotalik is awful at even strength. Absolutely awful. He turns the puck over constantly, he's a terrible decision maker, and much like Zherdev, he makes lazy, stupid plays every game. He has one superior quality, and that is his shot. Everything else about his game is pedestrian. Zherdev is a better all-around player, without a doubt. I'd like to see what Zherdev could do on the ice with Gaborik. My guess is it would be no less impressive than what Kotalik has been doing. When Gaborik was out of the lineup, the power play and Kotalik sucked, too.

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Ill take Kotalik although I'd like to see Zherdev under torts.

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Ill take Kotalik although I'd like to see Zherdev under torts.
We did. A full season wouldve been alot worse.

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Zherdev is hands down better player. Hockey forward is about stick handling and skating. That is what makes you dominant. Good shot could make you productive, but then someone has to be dominant FOR YOU. That's the story with Kotalik. He is an average skater with below average stick handling skills. That is why he is only good on PP where domination is predisposed.
Alex (I refuse to call him Ales) is a good signing, but he is no Zherdev replacement. Nick's replacement is Lisin and by now it is quite apparent that Sather has miscalculated the move. Letting Z go was an obvious mistake. Lisin is promising, but he will follow Zherdev's footsteps, i.e. he is a few years away from Z level. For that time Zherdev must have been kept.

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Zherdev's a bum.

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I'd like to see what Zherdev could do on the ice with Gaborik.
I'd like to see what Kotalik could do with Zherdev. They'd be great on the second line. Our second line sucked ever since Rucinski has been gone.

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zherdev is obviously incredibly talented, but he is not I don't have to try talented. And he forgot Rule #6 "... do not sit in the corner and sulk, it draws attention to you in a negative way, draw attention to yourself, but on your own terms..."

Kotalik brings what he is good at to the table every night. Brings effort every night. He not only scores, but creates the opportunity for others to score. And it seems agreed that he helps more on the PP than ES, so for those that think about the playoffs -- when a greater % of goals are scored on special teams -- this is a plus.

and I would put an asterisk on his plus/minus because most of his ES time has been with captain mud skates.

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So, we signed Kotalik for three million which could have been spent on Zherdev.
Should we consider the money?

If you signed Zherdev for what he wanted, or even his arbitration ruling, you spent a lot more money. Might have been the difference between having the cap space for Gilroy or not, or signing Prospal altogether.

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Agreed that they're different players. Also agree that Zherdev is more effective at ES than Kotalik.

On paper, Gaborik and Zherdev look like a match made in heaven. Fast, agile, magicians with the puck. Our own Ovechkin/Semin combo. You'd also hope that Gaborik's attitude would rub-off on Zherdev and finally get him to pull his head out of his ass.

In reality, I doubt we'd see any of that happen. Plus, Zherdev said he didn't like playing on his off-wing, so that probably doesn't bode well for a Zherdev - Prospal - Gaborik line.

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OT: Did anyone noticed that Kotalik face is half of Zherdev and half of Briere?

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Totally different players.

Kotalik will live and die with the power play since he usually can't get enough open ice to do what he does best. If our PP was similar to last years, Kotalik would be a disaster right now.

Also, his other major strength is the shootout, which we haven't even had a chance to see yet.

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11-06-2009, 11:14 AM
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I'd say Kotalik. I think he is a good fit on this team.

Always found Zherdev to be overated to be honest.

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I never thought I'd say this, but I'd take Kotalik over him right now. Kotalik can get pretty nasty sometimes and throw some hits, he has a huge shot, and he has chemistry with our guys (something Zherdev only had in spades).

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Is this a trick question, I'll take Kotalik...

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