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11-07-2009, 09:44 PM
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Joe Corvo

I was at the Leafs-Canes game last night, and on that new and really nice scoreboard hanging from the rafters appeared this mind-boggling factoid:

Joe Corvo ranks 5th in the NHL in TOI, averaging just over 25 minutes/game.

Look, I like Joe Corvo. I'm not a deranged Sens fan who wanted him driven out of town (that would be my buddy Doni from the Ottawa Sun). I liked him during our Cup Finals run when he was a bottom-pair guy with Tom Preissing. He played bottom-pair even strength minutes, and also played the PP. He wasn't super-expensive (I believe he's on the same contract now, 2.25 million), and he brought some tools to the team.
Although he missed the net too often for my liking.

The next year, Corvo was elevated to the second pairing, and some chinks started appearing in the armor. Boneheaded plays started piling up, but again, as a second pairing guy, he wasn't expected to anchor the D. His offense was still good. I still liked him.

Well, fast-forward to this year, and all of the sudden Corvo is everywhere. PP, PK, even strength. He is basically the Canes' number one defenseman according to his minutes. THAT is a scary thought, folks. He can't hit anyone, and in the defensive zone he frequently gives up and just coasts, as if to say "I'm sure one of my teammates will make a play and bail me out."

I am officially lobbying for Corvo to be traded. I believe he's in the last year of his contract, and is primed to be dealt back to the west coast, which is where he ultimately wants to be. He is a bottom-pariring guy that would play on the PP. That's it. He is totally overexposed by playing so many minutes, and this is one of so many reasons why the Canes are going into the toilet. Sadly.

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Corvo was bottom pairing in Ottawa, Commodore was bottom pairing in Calgary, Gleason was bottom pairing in LA... JR love to brings bottom pairing guys and make them top 4 players.

Corvo is not bad, he's just not #1 or #2. He plays too much, i agree. I think we won't see Joe in Raleigh next season.

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11-07-2009, 10:02 PM
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I think we won't see Joe here 3 months from now. With the development path McBain is on in Albany (ie: he's finally showing he can cut it nicely at the pro level), the season path our team is on, and his value near the deadline as an impending UFA to a team looking to make a push?

Not sure we can get a 1st for him like I think we can for Whitney, but I think we can definitely get a 2nd and a prospect.

That said, this is also one of the reasons why I don't like Maurice as a coach. Corvo shouldn't even be our #2 defenseman (Pitkanen and Gleason are over him IMO) but he's being played like he's Zdeno frigin Chara. There is zero reason for Joe to be out there on the PK like he is. It just flat out confuses me the way Maurice has been using him and a number of our other players. JR made his voice known and Sutter and Boychuk are getting real ice time now. Now for JR to make it be known that Pitkanen should be our #1 defenseman, not Corvo.

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11-07-2009, 10:20 PM
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I don't have anything against Corvo, he just isn't a #1 D-Man, and he is going to try to command #1 or #2 D-Man money as a UFA. He will be traded by the deadline if/when they are completely out of it.

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This is completely off topic, but you mentioning the stat on the videoboard reminded me, did anyone else see that they displayed the team plus/minus leaders on the videoboard at one point? Somebody in Canes Vision clearly wanted a good laugh. It was like:

+/- LEADERS

Scott Walker +2
Brandon Sutter 0
Tim Gleason 0

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11-08-2009, 09:45 AM
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This is completely off topic, but you mentioning the stat on the videoboard reminded me, did anyone else see that they displayed the team plus/minus leaders on the videoboard at one point? Somebody in Canes Vision clearly wanted a good laugh. It was like:

+/- LEADERS

Scott Walker +2
Brandon Sutter 0
Tim Gleason 0
Yeah i saw that too! Funny stuff...why in the world would you show that?

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I'm continually baffled by the ESTOI Corvo gets. His puck-moving skills and offensive game are obvious but even then there are too many shifts where he simply goes through the motions too much to be effective. He also, to me, acts a bit like a prima donna when he doesn't get his shots on the PP and feels he has to bring the puck up ice too much.

On the defensive side, he (along with Pitkanen) are "transitional defenders" only in my opinion. They have good speed and skate and are able to overcome mistakes with those attributes but down low they are just bystanders too many times. Neither is a physical defenseman but they just don't battle nearly enough and Corvo in particular seems to consistently miss his assignments and end up on the wrong side of the puck.

So there is a big part of the problem with the way the D is constructed. The guys who can be physical down low, Alberts, Gleason, Ward, and Wallin, all have limitations in transition and gap control and with limited to no offensive upside. There are no hybrid guys like Seidenberg, who though only a middle pair guy could play a good two-way game.

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With Mo it's no use trying to figure out why certain guys get the ice time they do.

I've never been a fan of Corvo and with each passing game I want him gone even more. He can't keep the puck in to save his life, he is afraid to get hit, he's slow and he makes boneheaded decisions. Hell, my seatmate and I have taken to calling him "Slow-vo."

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11-08-2009, 09:00 PM
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Corvo is one of the best skaters in the league, actually. He has many, many deficiencies but skating is at the very bottom of that list.

Corvo is a player that will be able to draw us some quality interest at the deadline. Heavy shot, powerplay point presence, modest defensive game.... minutes eater. Whatever you need him to be, he can do it at least in an average fashion.

Joe Corvo is nowhere near a problem on this roster, and he wouldn't be anybody's problem playing Top 4 minutes anywhere else. He's just not a top pairing guy, to be honest. He isn't a 5 or 6 either, though. He's an ideal 3 or 4 for most teams, but I think people on the whole overestimate the amount of players in the league that are better than certain guys.

Can you name 90 or 120 defensemen in the NHL that are better than Joe Corvo, warts and all? If you can't, then he's a Top 4 guy in this league. That's my criteria. Just because he has slid up the depth chart on our roster for lack of better options does not make him better or worse.... just getting more icetime.

I doubt we'd have trouble putting together a list of 75 guys better than Joe Corvo, actually. He has quietly changed his game from a points only guy into a pretty dependable defensive option.

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Corvo is one of the best skaters in the league, actually. He has many, many deficiencies but skating is at the very bottom of that list.

Corvo is a player that will be able to draw us some quality interest at the deadline. Heavy shot, powerplay point presence, modest defensive game.... minutes eater. Whatever you need him to be, he can do it at least in an average fashion.

Joe Corvo is nowhere near a problem on this roster, and he wouldn't be anybody's problem playing Top 4 minutes anywhere else. He's just not a top pairing guy, to be honest. He isn't a 5 or 6 either, though. He's an ideal 3 or 4 for most teams, but I think people on the whole overestimate the amount of players in the league that are better than certain guys.

Can you name 90 or 120 defensemen in the NHL that are better than Joe Corvo, warts and all? If you can't, then he's a Top 4 guy in this league. That's my criteria. Just because he has slid up the depth chart on our roster for lack of better options does not make him better or worse.... just getting more icetime.

I doubt we'd have trouble putting together a list of 75 guys better than Joe Corvo, actually. He has quietly changed his game from a points only guy into a pretty dependable defensive option.
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Corvo is one of the best skaters in the league, actually. He has many, many deficiencies but skating is at the very bottom of that list.

Corvo is a player that will be able to draw us some quality interest at the deadline. Heavy shot, powerplay point presence, modest defensive game.... minutes eater. Whatever you need him to be, he can do it at least in an average fashion.

Joe Corvo is nowhere near a problem on this roster, and he wouldn't be anybody's problem playing Top 4 minutes anywhere else. He's just not a top pairing guy, to be honest. He isn't a 5 or 6 either, though. He's an ideal 3 or 4 for most teams, but I think people on the whole overestimate the amount of players in the league that are better than certain guys.

Can you name 90 or 120 defensemen in the NHL that are better than Joe Corvo, warts and all? If you can't, then he's a Top 4 guy in this league. That's my criteria. Just because he has slid up the depth chart on our roster for lack of better options does not make him better or worse.... just getting more icetime.

I doubt we'd have trouble putting together a list of 75 guys better than Joe Corvo, actually. He has quietly changed his game from a points only guy into a pretty dependable defensive option.
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Corvo is one of the best skaters in the league, actually. He has many, many deficiencies but skating is at the very bottom of that list.

Corvo is a player that will be able to draw us some quality interest at the deadline. Heavy shot, powerplay point presence, modest defensive game.... minutes eater. Whatever you need him to be, he can do it at least in an average fashion.

Joe Corvo is nowhere near a problem on this roster, and he wouldn't be anybody's problem playing Top 4 minutes anywhere else. He's just not a top pairing guy, to be honest. He isn't a 5 or 6 either, though. He's an ideal 3 or 4 for most teams, but I think people on the whole overestimate the amount of players in the league that are better than certain guys.

Can you name 90 or 120 defensemen in the NHL that are better than Joe Corvo, warts and all? If you can't, then he's a Top 4 guy in this league. That's my criteria. Just because he has slid up the depth chart on our roster for lack of better options does not make him better or worse.... just getting more icetime.

I doubt we'd have trouble putting together a list of 75 guys better than Joe Corvo, actually. He has quietly changed his game from a points only guy into a pretty dependable defensive option.
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So I have to find 3 d-men on every team in the league that's better than Corvo. I will get to work.

I do agree with your a lot of your post, Vagrant. I just found it odd that he is (again, according to TOI) the Canes #1 guy, when he was clearly #5 in Ottawa - and when called upon to do more in Ottawa, he tapped out (literally and figuratively).

Like you said, though, probably a solid 3 or 4. I have no argument there.

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Just as some people try to determine top 6 forwards by looking across the league, using collective top D has inherent limitations. It doesn't take into account team depth, chemistry, complimentary pairings, etc. For example, Exhibit A would be Aaron in Boston last year riding Chara coattails. He was technically in their top pair but realistically isn't anywhere close to a top 60 guy.

You also have to consider team systems and philosophies as to who plays in the top 4. If a coach insists on a puck-mover and a physical D in the top 4 and has little depth for offensive-defenseman, a bottom pairing guy who can move the puck plays in the top 4.

All that aside, the point still stands that Corvo rates highly on offense (though his hands aren't great) but is deficient by league standards, regardless of which pairings, on defense. When he isn't contributing on offense, he is a liability. He was abysmal against Pittsburgh down low and still hasn't figured out what his assignments are after all this time.

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I just found it odd that he is (again, according to TOI) the Canes #1 guy, when he was clearly #5 in Ottawa - and when called upon to do more in Ottawa, he tapped out (literally and figuratively).
I remember the fire drill on the bench when Corvo/Preissing got caught out there against a top line in the playoffs and the coaches were desperately trying to get them off the ice.


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When he isn't contributing on offense, he is a liability. He was abysmal against Pittsburgh down low and still hasn't figured out what his assignments are after all this time.
This this this.

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out of curiosity, how often are uh-oh joe moments nowadays?

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So I have to find 3 d-men on every team in the league that's better than Corvo. I will get to work.

I do agree with your a lot of your post, Vagrant. I just found it odd that he is (again, according to TOI) the Canes #1 guy, when he was clearly #5 in Ottawa - and when called upon to do more in Ottawa, he tapped out (literally and figuratively).

Like you said, though, probably a solid 3 or 4. I have no argument there.
Corvo is an interesting guy, to be honest. The position of defense is mostly mental and for Corvo, it's twice as mental as it is for everybody else. He's fragile, very hard on himself for his mistakes, and naturally reclusive and removed. Not that there is a problem with being that way, but as a hockey player it can be a deficiency.

I think the Corvo you saw in Ottawa was a product of the pressure of his environment that resulted in a player that was down on his ability and played down to his expectations. He's just not built for the pressure of playing in a big market and the buyer beware tag is firmly planted on him in that regard.... for better or worse. I think at a point in Ottawa, he gave up on trying to prove his worth to the fans and to the coaches and accepted his mediocrity. I think Carolina spent the half of the season after that pumping his tires and telling him how good he was and he responded with the best stretch of hockey of his career. However, that ego stroke cannot last forever and Corvo did eventually come back down to earth and settle into a more modest point pace. Despite that, his overall game has improved steadily as he has been here. He's not a defensive stalwart, but he's also well removed from the liability he was advertised as before he came here. In fact, I can't even remember a single gaffe that he has made on the level of some guys on our roster have since he has been here. Even Tim Gleason has more embarrassing tape in the past season or two than Corvo.

What Carolina did with Joe Corvo is similar to what they did with Bret Hedican. They identified a player as a guy with exceptional skill that could translate easy into playing both units on special teams and allowed him to be a jack of all trades as opposed to a specialist. Carolina values their ability to "teach" defense, even to veteran players, to the extent that they will take a talented player on the promise of turning him or converting him into a player that they can use. They were doing the same with David Tanabe before his unfortunate career ending injury, and he likely would have turned around just fine and developed into a well rounded player given the amount of dedication they have given to Corvo. Mike Commodore is another guy they essentially "made" by taking the defense only role away from him and allowed him to reactive the offensive aspect of his game. Virtually every Carolina defenseman they have acquired in the 25-30 range has been asked to play both ends of the ice. Dennis Seidenberg is another example.

The increase in ice time has been borne of necessity as opposed to anything else, really. The aforementioned Seidenberg has left a void on the roster for a player of Corvo's talents to capitalize on in terms of available icetime. I wouldn't read too much into that stat other than it being indicative of how poorly tooled our squad has been on defense. Corvo played 24 and a half minutes a night last year too and 25+ in the playoffs and we advanced to the ECFs. This post could have easily been made then with the opposite goal in mind, but it seems a bit opportunistic at the moment to kind of trash a guy who has been force fed icetime beyond a reasonable expectation.

In regards to finding 90 defensemen better than Corvo, I suspect that list would be highly debated towards the 60-70 mark. Even if you did manage to find 90 slam dunks, that would only prove that Corvo was a 4th defender.... which was my point all along that he wasn't a bottom pairing specialist at any point. He's a 40 point guy at about a 12-28 split on average with the ability to help your powerplay and move the puck at even strength. If called upon, he could also kill penalties if your roster lacked better options.

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This this this.
Everybody was bad against Pittsburgh. If we used that series to evaluate our squad on the whole then we'd have a squad full of junk with Ward, Staal, and everybody else included. Nobody was worth a thin dime in that series. In fact, the guy that looked worse than anybody was Tim Gleason but I doubt you'll find anybody around here willing to throw him under the bus as being a liability due to 4 games out of a few hundred games he has played here. The same grace should be granted Corvo, as his errors were much less egregious than Gleason's.

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So I have to find 3 d-men on every team in the league that's better than Corvo. I will get to work.

I do agree with your a lot of your post, Vagrant. I just found it odd that he is (again, according to TOI) the Canes #1 guy, when he was clearly #5 in Ottawa - and when called upon to do more in Ottawa, he tapped out (literally and figuratively).

Like you said, though, probably a solid 3 or 4. I have no argument there.
Actually he's not the Canes #1 guy, that would be Pitkanen.

Corvo's average is a bit inflated from those games where Pitkanen was out. When Pitkanen was out, Corvo was our only puck mover, therefore, had to be used more ES. With Pitkanen back, Corvo is only averaging about 15-17 minutes ES time. Whereas Pitkanen is averaging 19-21 minutes ES. Its not uncommon to see both guys play the full 2 minutes on the PP as they are our only option as far as defense goes. Total Corvo is getting 20-22 minutes, but Pitkanen is getting upwards of 26-28 minutes per game.

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Corvo's average is a bit inflated from those games where Pitkanen was out. When Pitkanen was out, Corvo was our only puck mover, therefore, had to be used more ES. With Pitkanen back, Corvo is only averaging about 15-17 minutes ES time. Whereas Pitkanen is averaging 19-21 minutes ES.
And that's the dilemma. With goals tough to come by, you want puck-movers and guys who can make the good first pass. But on the flip side Pitkanen and Corvo are the two worst defensive players down low.

As earlier pointed out, Corvo is just plain bad there and is exposed even more in the playoffs against good teams such as when he was horrid vs. the Pens. Pitkanen, when he decides to bear down can be ok but Corvo is just consistently poor there.

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on the flip side Pitkanen and Corvo are the two worst defensive players down low.
I hear ya, but there's a whole lot more to a defenseman playing good defense than what they can/can't do down low. For instance, Pitkanen is by far the best at defending against a rush, and no one on the team makes a better, smarter pass in the face of oncoming pressure or impending hit than he does. If you want an example of how important that is, take a look at what Gleason did before Rick Nash's goal on Saturday.

Not everyone can be a fantastic puck mover and defensive defenseman. If it was a team full of hybrids, people would complain that no one did anything particularly well.

That said, Joe Corvo's unwillingness to take a hit has worn out its welcome with me. One of his biggest assets is his speed, but too often he gets caught flat-footed. Boll's goal on Saturday may not be a perfect example of that, but it certainly doesn't hurt the argument.

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Vagrant, I'm not going to quote your entire post, but my reply is in reference to your point about Corvo being better than advertised when he came here from Ottawa:

I was in TOTAL SHOCK when I saw Corvo play for the first time at the RBC Center. It was probably the first game he played here, and all of the sudden he was hitting the net with (for an Ottawa fan) alarming regularity, he was bumping guys coming into the Canes' zone, and when pressured, he made the right decisions about 98% of the time.

I don't think it's a coincidence that, as his role has continuously expanded, his play has suffered. There's that thing you talked about - pressure. Expectations from a suddenly-rejuvenated fanbase may have Corvo looking for an even lower-key place to play. I think that Carolina would be wise to dump him at or before the deadline. The return should be pretty healthy, and then we can see what McBain and Rodney can bring to the table in terms of offense.

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I hear ya, but there's a whole lot more to a defenseman playing good defense than what they can/can't do down low. For instance, Pitkanen is by far the best at defending against a rush, and no one on the team makes a better, smarter pass in the face of oncoming pressure or impending hit than he does. If you want an example of how important that is, take a look at what Gleason did before Rick Nash's goal on Saturday.

Not everyone can be a fantastic puck mover and defensive defenseman. If it was a team full of hybrids, people would complain that no one did anything particularly well.

That said, Joe Corvo's unwillingness to take a hit has worn out its welcome with me. One of his biggest assets is his speed, but too often he gets caught flat-footed. Boll's goal on Saturday may not be a perfect example of that, but it certainly doesn't hurt the argument.
Oh no doubt, and I agree there is more to it than down-low play and that's why I said he and Pitkanen were good "transitional defenders." The point I was trying to make was that when a D-man is so deficient in such an important area, he needs to be stellar with the puck or he is a liability. That's how I see Corvo and why I felt it's pointless and simplistic to try and rank his abilities relative to other D in the league based on TOI or which pair he plays in.

I also agree with your criticisms about not taking a hit and his constant failure to anticipate plays. On both sides of the puck, his concentration just isn't there the way it should be and perhaps he is simply getting too much ice time.

I also think his gap control is lacking too often but his "make-up speed and skating" like with Pitkanen camouflages, it to an extent. It's perplexing to see a guy with his experience being so consistently bad positionally in his own end. He's often on the wrong side of the puck and seems almost unaware at times what his responsibility is.

So my take is that he is in upper percentile of offensive D-men but is in the bottom 25% in purely defensive terms. But with the D corps built the way it is, he gets plenty of TOI. As I posted earlier, the balance on the D is off. They need a hybrid player or two, certainly not the entire blueline, because right now they have none. When Aaron Ward or Tim Gleason come out on the second PP unit, you know you don't have the right mix.

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And that's the dilemma. With goals tough to come by, you want puck-movers and guys who can make the good first pass. But on the flip side Pitkanen and Corvo are the two worst defensive players down low.

As earlier pointed out, Corvo is just plain bad there and is exposed even more in the playoffs against good teams such as when he was horrid vs. the Pens. Pitkanen, when he decides to bear down can be ok but Corvo is just consistently poor there.
Pitkanen is as underrated as they get. He isn't bad at defense, in fact sometimes he's our best guy out there.

Corvo on the other hand, I agree. In his own end he can be caught running around with his head cut off. However, if we look strictly at ES minutes, he isn't playing as the #1. He's 3rd (15-17 mins) behind Pitkanen (20-22 mins) and Gleason (18-20 mins). Its those PP minutes where he can average 4-6 minutes that inflates his TOI.

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Pitkanen is as underrated as they get. He isn't bad at defense, in fact sometimes he's our best guy out there.

Corvo on the other hand, I agree. In his own end he can be caught running around with his head cut off. However, if we look strictly at ES minutes, he isn't playing as the #1. He's 3rd (15-17 mins) behind Pitkanen (20-22 mins) and Gleason (18-20 mins). Its those PP minutes where he can average 4-6 minutes that inflates his TOI.
That comment about Pitkanen gets recycled here quite a bit but I'm not one who believes he is underrated. Yes, he can be very effective in transition and can make up for mistakes (quite a few his own), which becomes easy to see. But he also makes tons of mistakes that are more subtle and harder to detect (like Corvo he drifts on his gap control and takes the wrong angle too much). I agree that he isn't bad overall but I still don't like him all that much in his own end where he has to start-and-stop vs. skate in transition and sometimes doesn't battle hard enough.

I realize where Corvo is regarding ESTOI (I wasn't the one who said he was #1) but I'd just rather see him less than the 17 mins or so he gets. That's more than Gleason by the way, so I'm not sure what stats you are citing. The coaches love to overuse the top 4 and Corvo is out there too much at critical times for me. I have no problem with Corvo's PP TOI especially since he is really only 1 of 2 options there.

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