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11-08-2009, 04:32 PM
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Holland said he's not going to call any one up, per Freep today.

Williams out minimum of 8 weeks.
well i get my wish of not shuffling the lineup every fricken night... in a round-about-let's-have-4-guys-get-hurt way.

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11-08-2009, 04:56 PM
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well i get my wish of not shuffling the lineup every fricken night... in a round-about-let's-have-4-guys-get-hurt way.
Yeah sometimes you gotta crack a few legs to make an omlette.



edit: I mean, eggs.


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Yeah sometimes you gotta crack a few legs to make an omlette.



edit: I mean, eggs.
Don't put all your legs in one basket...

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11-09-2009, 11:07 AM
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well i get my wish of not shuffling the lineup every fricken night... in a round-about-let's-have-4-guys-get-hurt way.
I'm wondering what the lines will look like.

Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Leino-Z-Cleary
Draper-Helm-Eaves
Maltby-Abdelkader-May

Holy underproduction batman...

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11-09-2009, 11:55 AM
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I'm wondering what the lines will look like.

Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Leino-Z-Cleary
Draper-Helm-Eaves
Maltby-Abdelkader-May

Holy underproduction batman...
My biggest concern with this lineup is speed. There are many average to below average skaters in that group, and very few who are legitimately fast.

What a difference a year makes.

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11-09-2009, 12:00 PM
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I'm wondering what the lines will look like.

Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Leino-Z-Cleary
Draper-Helm-Eaves
Maltby-Abdelkader-May

Holy underproduction batman...
I was thinking about that last night, and what you posted is exactly what I came up with... not that there's a lot of choice in the matter.

I might think about swapping Bertuzzi and Leino, because I think Leino would play better with Datsyuk than Zetterberg, but whatever.

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11-09-2009, 12:01 PM
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My biggest concern with this lineup is speed. There are many average to below average skaters in that group, and very few who are legitimately fast.

What a difference a year makes.
Let's break it down then:

Great/Good speed:
Datsyuk
Draper
Helm
Eaves
Abdelkader
Cleary
Zetterberg

Average to below average:
Leino
Maltby
Bertuzzi (for the first time in years)

Bad:
Holmstrom
May

I think the speed is fine, but for some reason this year the Wings aren't going through the neutral zone with speed. A staple of the offense has always been Zetterberg winding it up and the defensemen hitting him at the red line going full speed to break the zone.

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11-09-2009, 12:06 PM
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Let's break it down then:

Great/Good speed:
Datsyuk
Draper

Helm
Eaves
Abdelkader
Cleary
Zetterberg

Average to below average:
Leino
Maltby
Bertuzzi (for the first time in years)

Bad:
Holmstrom
May

I think the speed is fine, but for some reason this year the Wings aren't going through the neutral zone with speed. A staple of the offense has always been Zetterberg winding it up and the defensemen hitting him at the red line going full speed to break the zone.
The bolded are average skaters, not good ones. Draper has lost a step, Datsyuk and Zetterberg were never fast (just strong, and in Pavel's case also highly elusive), and Abdelkader is also not gifted in the skating department.

Compared to the NHL overall, I feel this is a slow team.

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11-09-2009, 12:09 PM
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The bolded are average skaters, not good ones. Draper has lost a step, Datsyuk and Zetterberg were never fast (just strong, and in Pavel's case also highly elusive), and Abdelkader is also not gifted in the skating department.

Compared to the NHL overall, I feel this is a slow team.
I strongly disagree about Datsyuk, he has breakaway speed. He's won two Selke's in a row due to his ability to track down players with his skating. Go back and watch his breakaway goal last year during the Winter Classic again or in the '07 playoffs when he picked Nabokov's pass off.

Draper is still a good skater by today's standards. I can see Zetterberg and Abdelkader being moved down to average or maybe above average.

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11-09-2009, 12:12 PM
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OK, I can agree to that. I was just coming from the perspective of Datsyuk raving about Hossa's speed. When I think of a truly fast skater, I think of Hossa, Helm, young Draper, etc. I suppose that Datsyuk can be considered fast even if he's not at that level.

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OK, I can agree to that. I was just coming from the perspective of Datsyuk raving about Hossa's speed. When I think of a truly fast skater, I think of Hossa, Helm, young Draper, etc. I suppose that Datsyuk can be considered fast even if he's not at that level.
I think Hossa is an extremely fast player, but he doesn't really play the game at a high speed. If that makes any sense.

To me, Fedorov played the game at a high speed, Gaborik and Ovechkin play the game at a high speed. I think both Datsyuk and Hossa are similar where they play more methodical.

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11-09-2009, 12:41 PM
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I think Hossa is an extremely fast player, but he doesn't really play the game at a high speed. If that makes any sense.

To me, Fedorov played the game at a high speed, Gaborik and Ovechkin play the game at a high speed. I think both Datsyuk and Hossa are similar where they play more methodical.

That's a very good way of looking at it. Fedorov knew how to take advantage of his speed to further enhance an already incredible skillset. Dats and Hossa are more system- oriented, with Dats of course being more creative.

(Now I miss Feds again. I was starting to forget about him as the years have gone by...)

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11-09-2009, 01:13 PM
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i would put zetterberg in the average to below average category, and datsyuk in the above average category. in skating, of course, not overall.



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That's a very good way of looking at it. Fedorov knew how to take advantage of his speed to further enhance an already incredible skillset. Dats and Hossa are more system- oriented, with Dats of course being more creative.

(Now I miss Feds again. I was starting to forget about him as the years have gone by...)


poor quality video, but it is the best i could find from the russian 5 period.

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11-09-2009, 04:50 PM
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poor quality video, but it is the best i could find from the russian 5 period.

Ohhhhhhhhhh, Sergei..........wahhhhhhhhhhhhh.


The look on Scotty's face at the end said it all. He was just smiling and shaking his head. You know, I've forgotten how quickly that Russian group could pass the puck (and assess the play). It's like they all had eyes on the front, back and sides of their heads.





Sigh.

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11-10-2009, 02:10 AM
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I'm very interested to see what the Leino-Z-Cleary line can do together. Hopefully it can be at least an above average option.

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but only 1 of his 5g was a result of speed.

fedorov was as good in a slower, more systematic game.

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11-10-2009, 02:14 AM
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poor quality video, but it is the best i could find from the russian 5 period.[/QUOTE]

What about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzG1M05nUps


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11-10-2009, 02:51 AM
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i have seen that one several times before, but it does not have enough hockey.

fedorov 5g video is a great example of how the russian 5 played.



but it is too bad there is not more video of the russian 5. google video has game 4 of the '97 finals, and several other old games, mostly from different finals ('80, '92, 94, '74). hulu also has some old games (even 1 from '59), but i have not been able to find much of the russian 5.

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i have seen that one several times before, but it does not have enough hockey.

fedorov 5g video is a great example of how the russian 5 played.



but it is too bad there is not more video of the russian 5. google video has game 4 of the '97 finals, and several other old games, mostly from different finals ('80, '92, 94, '74). hulu also has some old games (even 1 from '59), but i have not been able to find much of the russian 5.
Agreed. Whenever NHL network plays a 90s game of the wings I DVR it, seriously just to watch the 5 play together.

Was it me or did Slava Kozlov score a LOT of 2-goal games?

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