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03-06-2009, 06:25 PM
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Everything is wrong with the power play. No one will argue that we have the skill, thats Howsons fault. The players play where the coaches tell them to play, at least on the power play where theres more of a set rotation, thats where its the coaches fault, setup to fail so to speak. They obviously havent devised a plan that uses what we have to get in the zone, setup and be successful with the players we have, thats the coaches job.

And yes, the players need to finish, but when the system theyre using is not very good, its a cluster F in every aspect....hence a 30th ranked power play.

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03-06-2009, 06:28 PM
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Everything is wrong with the power play. No one will argue that we have the skill, thats Howsons fault. The players play where the coaches tell them to play, at least on the power play where theres more of a set rotation, thats where its the coaches fault, setup to fail so to speak. They obviously havent devised a plan that uses what we have to get in the zone, setup and be successful with the players we have, thats the coaches job.

And yes, the players need to finish, but when the system theyre using is not very good, its a cluster F in every aspect....hence a 30th ranked power play.
What would you do to improve it? Specifics please starting with the breakout from behind the net...who carries the puck up the ice.

Thanks in advance.

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03-06-2009, 06:31 PM
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Too tough to explain, huh?
*sigh*

No, mostly because it is pointless. If you are saying what you are saying, you clearly don't get it.

Let's start with this:

Oshie: Right shot
Perron: Right shot
Backes: Right shot
Boyes: Right shot
Crombeen: Right shot

I know you haven't the foggiest as to why it is integral to have right shots on the pp, but let's just say this: it is all about angles and one-timers.


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03-06-2009, 06:41 PM
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It would be nice to have another righty, but in the end, it's more about GOOD shots and actually gaining/holding the zone than what hand the guy shoots with. How many times does the PP waste upwards of 60 seconds on a powerplay by not being able to get in, and if they do, the puck hops out all quick the moment after they take a shot that misses the net?

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03-06-2009, 06:43 PM
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It would be nice to have another righty, but in the end, it's more about GOOD shots and actually gaining/holding the zone than what hand the guy shoots with. How many times does the PP waste upwards of 60 seconds on a powerplay by not being able to get in, and if they do, the puck hops out all quick the moment after they take a shot that misses the net?
Of course getting into the zone and maintaining possession is paramount, but it isn't only that it would be 'nice' to have more righties, it is necessary. The depth of WHY the right shots are necessary is staggering.

The handedness is about where the sticks reside in the lanes/seems and the precursor to the one-timer. An all left shot pp and no shooting threat from the point is pretty easy to defend against.

A quick pass and a one timer is what scores the goals. They might not always go in, but it gets the goalie moving and the pk'ers out of position.


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03-06-2009, 07:01 PM
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Oh I agree, angles and movement are huge factors in a powerplay's success. But what I'm saying is that it isn't the only factor. If we had a guy parked in front of the net that could actually do it effectively, we'd get a fair number of goals off rebounds and deflections whether we have all lefties out there or not.

But I can't overstate the fact that this team has a horrible time trying to even get in the damned zone and setting up. Last night's early 5 on 3 was an especially pathetic example of this. And, as has been mentioned already, the boys' positioning is horrible as a matter of course as well, so that it seems they just NEVER have a guy at the proper point at any given time to keep the puck from rolling out of the zone when our guys take shots and miss the blasted net.

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03-06-2009, 07:15 PM
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Oh I agree, angles and movement are huge factors in a powerplay's success. But what I'm saying is that it isn't the only factor. If we had a guy parked in front of the net that could actually do it effectively, we'd get a fair number of goals off rebounds and deflections whether we have all lefties out there or not.
RJ does a good job of that, the problem is, we are missing some other big bodies who might be able to get the job done (Modin, Chimmer).

Our 2nd unit is made up of a bunch of guys who probably have less than 10 career pp goals among them.

Since the 'revamp' at the ASB it has been better, but it is only going to be as good as your personnel will allow it to be. They have to max out just to be average.

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03-06-2009, 07:53 PM
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What bothers me about Hitch's PP is that he's had two seasons to fix it.
Vermette should help. But we've made a lot of roster moves already and the PP is no better than it has been. At some point, the system has to take the blame (both the coach' system and the scouting system).

In the off season, we could use a PP specialist both on the ice, and standing behind the bench next to Hitch.

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03-06-2009, 09:22 PM
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What would you do to improve it? Specifics please starting with the breakout from behind the net...who carries the puck up the ice.

Thanks in advance.
Hell, might as well have some fan throw something against the wall to see if it sticks, the current coaching staff hasnt figured it out yet

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03-07-2009, 06:16 AM
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I know you haven't the foggiest as to why it is integral to have right shots on the pp, but let's just say this: it is all about angles and one-timers.
So they scored a 5 on 3 PP goal against TB because they had two right-hand shots on the point. That's different than Jackets having two left shots? Now that's what obviously Jackets need to do, get all right hand shots and you're above 20%! Hilarious...

And how about explaining why also Los Angeles, Atlanta, Toronto, Ottawa and even the Islanders have that much better PP? All about angles again? Coaching is still out of the question?

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03-12-2009, 10:36 AM
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03-12-2009, 11:06 AM
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No, facts are frowned upon in these parts. You should know this, being a mod and all.

But seriously, the powerplay was so bad at the beginning of the season that it's going to take us a hell of a time to start moving up the charts at this point in the season, even with a much improved powerplay. All there is to say is that the powerplay has improved tremendously the last two months of the season.

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03-13-2009, 07:05 AM
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So they scored a 5 on 3 PP goal against TB because they had two right-hand shots on the point. That's different than Jackets having two left shots? Now that's what obviously Jackets need to do, get all right hand shots and you're above 20%! Hilarious...

And how about explaining why also Los Angeles, Atlanta, Toronto, Ottawa and even the Islanders have that much better PP? All about angles again? Coaching is still out of the question?
The jackets pp is 18% since January 1--middle of the pack.

The Leafs since January 1st-18%
The Bolts since January 1st-22%
The Kings since January 1st-22%
The NYI since January 1st-14%
The Senators since January 1st-20%
The Thrashers since January 1st-17%

The teams you listed are hardly much better like you have suggested.


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03-13-2009, 07:07 AM
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No, facts are frowned upon in these parts. You should know this, being a mod and all.

But seriously, the powerplay was so bad at the beginning of the season that it's going to take us a hell of a time to start moving up the charts at this point in the season, even with a much improved powerplay. All there is to say is that the powerplay has improved tremendously the last two months of the season.
Exactly, your pp % is pretty much established in the first 6 weeks of the season, and in order to improve your overall % dramatically, you have to be lights out for a long time. 18% (pre-last night) is more than acceptable.

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03-13-2009, 08:11 AM
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If they'd put Vermette on the 1st PP team instead of Malhotra, we'd improve more quickly.

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03-13-2009, 12:47 PM
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I only started dropping by the Columbus board when Howson signed Hejda - I noticed many posters decrying the lack of "big name players" being pursued & signed.

And the trend went on; complaints that Hitchcock had no idea how to build a winning team.

What I liked was - that most posters understood that creating a winning team is like putting a puzzle together. You need PP specialists; SH specialists; a bit of toughness, a bit of speed; good goaltending - plus versatile depth to fill in when injuries hit.

All of this had to be done within salary cap restraints - which means, you can't have everything - but you can come close if the correct pieces of the puzzle are acquired.

And now, as Columbus is inches away from their first playoff round, Hitchcock just ain't good enough......

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03-13-2009, 01:21 PM
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And now, as Columbus is inches away from their first playoff round, Hitchcock just ain't good enough......
He's fine with most of us. The vocal minority will never be happy, in fact I've noticed that as the Jackets have steadily maintained their play and positioning in the conference, some of the renowned gripers who only seemed to have an identity for complaining that they could run the franchise much better; they don't seem to be around posting much these days.

We love Hitch and Howson.

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03-13-2009, 01:36 PM
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He's fine with most of us. The vocal minority will never be happy, in fact I've noticed that as the Jackets have steadily maintained their play and positioning in the conference, some of the renowned gripers who only seemed to have an identity for complaining that they could run the franchise much better; they don't seem to be around posting much these days.

We love Hitch and Howson.
As a die hard Oiler fan, I was sad to see Howsen go, and fully expected him to do well with the Jackets. I respected him enough to hope he was able to prove himself and make Columbus a contender. so far, so good.

Nice to see Columbus as a genuine threat, it has been a long time coming, just needed the right management to assemble the last pieces. With Filatov and Brassard (sp ?) in the mix next year, it could be a little scary to see what your team could accomplish.

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03-13-2009, 02:43 PM
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Hitch has done a very good job assembling the pieces. In the past, Howson had ben a bit derelict in getting the pieces to Hitch but that is history. WE have he ammo and Hitch is using it effectively.

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Seems to be losing the room. No buy-in, in Hitch's own words. Last in the league in goals against. What to do...

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Seems to be losing the room. No buy-in, in Hitch's own words. Last in the league in goals against. What to do...
Is it too early for another contract extension?

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Keep the Hitch bashing/loving in the "Hitch Frustration Thread"

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