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11-13-2009, 08:40 AM
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Yah, I mean, there can't be anything to a horrible defensive effort other than "this guys sucks!".

I think the fact that Marc Staal has become a VERY close second to Rozsival in terms of brutal defensive play says there's something else to the situation other than a case of amnesia that now prevents both players from even remembering how to play the position.

These guys did a real nice job under Renney's tight, defense first game strategy. To me, it's painfully obvious that asking them to play a style of game they're not really very good at playing is hurting their contribution. You know, kind of like asking Wade Redden to play positional, stay at home defense.

So, cue the haters have will say I'm just making excuses for players that they just love to rip for any reason they can find.....
Excellent post, MJ. This morning has been nice, everyone is saying the things I'm thinking, so I can just QFT!

Rozsival still has the skills to be a very serviceable defenseman, I have no doubt. He's not at all comfortable in this system and it's showing. I think the same can be said for a lot of guys on the team.

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Bringing up a new guy would benefit everyone. Having a little wake up call for motivation to play well or sit.

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somehow kovy managed to torch us skating on the same sheet.
Which means absolutely nothing. An elite talent scoring on you doesn't change the fact that the ice was clearly a mess.

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I would give Heikkinen a look first. He's got 11 points in 15 games and had a ton of experience in the Finnish league before he came here

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sorry - I think you guys have blurred vision.

1st goal is just as much Roszival's as it is MDZ who can't do anything wrong even when he plainly does. where was his coverage of Armstrong? Rozival had a 2 on 1 to deal with once the Kane and Armstrong came unhindered over their defensive blue line. Prospal loses face off straight, Gabby loses his marker straight off the f/o.
The goal is MDZ's who lets Armstrong slip through in front of him, because he stopped skating.

2nd goal - Peverley on PP - I can't detect a defensive fault.

3rd goal - by Kovy - Staal mishandles the puck in front of the net and again on the boards, Cally gets sucked in to far on the left of the net right next to Prospal, leaving the right side wide open. Having said that Lundy should save that one.

4th goal - despite the misunderstanding between Rozi and Lundy the problem here is that 2 forwards are caught coasting back and the wing in particular is late coming back to intercept the puck played by the goalkeeper. the Atl right Dman can play the puck immediately and unhindered back into the slot The mistake for that goal is clearly here and not with rozsival trying to play the puck and then get caught out. Btw what is the other Dman DMZ doing - looking pretty on the play? On this goal 4 - no make it 5 Rangers are watching the play. the only one I would exonerate ont that play is Kotalik who was deep into the zone ready to receive a Rozsival pass, he didn't get.

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11-13-2009, 09:18 AM
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sorry - I think you guys have blurred vision.

1st goal is just as much Roszival's as it is MDZ who can't do anything wrong even when he plainly does. where was his coverage of Armstrong? Rozival had a 2 on 1 to deal with once the Kane and Armstrong came unhindered over their defensive blue line. Prospal loses face off straight, Gabby loses his marker straight off the f/o.
The goal howe is MDZ who lets Armstrong slip through in front of him, because he stopped skating.

2nd goal - Peverley on PP - I can't detect a defensive fault.

3rd goal - by Kovy - Staal mishandles the puck in front of the net and again on the boards, Cally gets sucked in to far on the left of the net right next to Prospal, leaving the right side wide open. Having said that Lundy should save that one.

4th goal - despite the misunderstanding between Rozi and Lundy the problem here is that 2 forwards are caught coasting back and the wing in particular is late coming back to intercept the puck played by the goalkeeper. the Atl right Dman can play the puck immediately and unhindered back into the slot The mistake for that goal is clearly here and not with rozsival trying to play the puck and then get caught out. Btw what is the other Dman DMZ doing - looking pretty on the play? On this goal 4 no make 5 Rangers are watching the play. the only one I would exonerate ont that play is Kotalik who was deep into the zone ready to receive a Rozsival pass, he didn't get.

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you are correct

first goal was del zotto...the kid rarely makes mistakes, but this was one

the 2nd goal....is that the one that was going wide and hit girardi in the face? also....henrik was horribly horribly out of position, not sure if it was his fault or what, but he was

the 3rd goal was a pass across that ice that Gaborik probably shouldnt have let through and a shot that I feel Hank should have had (im sure im alone on that thought) but that goal happened because the rangers collapsed too far to one side and let a stoppable pass get through

the 4th goal was all Henrik

but its way too easy to turn your brain off and point the finger a the Dmen becasue they line up furthest back on face offs .... defense is a team effort and THATS whats been lacking on this team

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11-13-2009, 09:19 AM
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I said the same exact thing last night after the game. Bobby Sangs can't be any worse and is likely better. Buy Rozy out, get 1/2 his cap hit back and get another decent forward in here.

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sorry - I think you guys have blurred vision.

1st goal is just as much Roszival's as it is MDZ who can't do anything wrong even when he plainly does. where was his coverage of Armstrong? Rozival had a 2 on 1 to deal with once the Kane and Armstrong came unhindered over their defensive blue line. Prospal loses face off straight, Gabby loses his marker straight off the f/o.
The goal howe is MDZ who lets Armstrong slip through in front of him, because he stopped skating.

2nd goal - Peverley on PP - I can't detect a defensive fault.

3rd goal - by Kovy - Staal mishandles the puck in front of the net and again on the boards, Cally gets sucked in to far on the left of the net right next to Prospal, leaving the right side wide open. Having said that Lundy should save that one.

4th goal - despite the misunderstanding between Rozi and Lundy the problem here is that 2 forwards are caught coasting back and the wing in particular is late coming back to intercept the puck played by the goalkeeper. the Atl right Dman can play the puck immediately and unhindered back into the slot The mistake for that goal is clearly here and not with rozsival trying to play the puck and then get caught out. Btw what is the other Dman DMZ doing - looking pretty on the play? On this goal 4 no make 5 Rangers are watching the play. the only one I would exonerate ont that play is Kotalik who was deep into the zone ready to receive a Rozsival pass, he didn't get.

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Excellent analysis.

I, as usual, blame KHL and/or Sather for our D weakness. Sangunetty is not the depth we needed. We miss Semenov or Mara or anyone else who has the experience our rookies lack.

Again, Brooks suggestion proves that he is a MSG agent.

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11-13-2009, 09:25 AM
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Rozsival has been pretty solid since the Washington game debacle earlier in the season. No surprise that the vultures are back out after another bad game.

The entire defense has been a debacle lately.

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11-13-2009, 09:37 AM
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I look forward to the inevitable day when Michal Rozsival is no longer a Ranger. But I don't see that day coming until this summer or next season. Wish I could say the same about Redden.

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11-13-2009, 09:40 AM
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Del Zotto
Gaborik
Girardi
Kotalik
Lundqvist
Prospal
Valliquette

The only guys who have been playing at or above expectations since our recent skid.

No coincidence that most of these guys are new to the team.

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Del Zotto
Gaborik
Girardi
Kotalik
Lundqvist
Prospal
Valliquette

The only guys who have been playing at or above expectations since our recent skid.

No coincidence that most of these guys are new to the team.
the two bolded ones are certainly a stretch for "above our expectations"

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11-13-2009, 09:47 AM
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Rosival's play is a horror show on ice

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I didn't even watch the game last night, but that doesn't change the fact that Rozsival has been brutal this season.

That's not to say the rest of our D has been fantastic, but Rozsival has been the worst more nights than not.

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I don't even care about Roszy's contract - he's a liability on the ice and provides less offense than the other 5 we have out there - which is supposedly his strength. He hasn't been the same since surgery and is even worse this year.

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the two bolded ones are certainly a stretch for "above our expectations"
OK then, what are your current expectations from Girardi and Vally?

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I didn't even watch the game last night, but that doesn't change the fact that Rozsival has been brutal this season.

That's not to say the rest of our D has been fantastic, but Rozsival has been the worst more nights than not.
Cant argue there, and I defended the guy until this season.

Like Redden, Roszival has a severe footspeed problem. Redden, however, has been much more decisive with the puck this year and has probably been our best defenseman at even strength (not really a compliment with this bunch, by the way). Roszival is compounding his lack of speed with some truly terrible decisions.

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Rozi is no worse than any other Dman we have.
Playing with MDZ is a chore I would not necessarily volunteer for. He is great offensively and totally naive defensively. He is and will make mistakes for few years to come. His defensive partner has to be ready to cover for him. Either you over play and you get burned or you play your normal play and you will look selfish.

Its just what it means to have an 18 year old kid playing Man's game. You gotta take the rough with the smooth.

Rozi is playing with MDZ because (I am guessing) Torts believes Rozi is capable of covering for MDZ's defensive shortcomings. Instead of supporting him we are hissing him...g.d damned what kinda fans are we.

as for Brooks....that guy is a mental midget

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Rozsival is horrible, he is untenable. He turns the puck over like it's his job. Horrific turnovers that end up being scoring chances.

He can never keep the puck in on the blue line. It's almost as bad as watching a beer leaguer out there. I cannot believe that an NHL player can have such trouble with keeping the puck in the zone. It's not like it's once in a while, it's multiple times per game that he does this.

He's soft. When he decides to hit people, he can actually hit very well, but he only decides to do that once every 15 games.



BTW, MDZ is only a minus 1 and considering that 10 of his 15 points have come on the PP, I'd say that he's not doing all that bad defensively.

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OK then, what are your current expectations from Girardi and Vally?
Some people expect Girardi to be a #2 defenseman with the way they talk. Which he obviously is not. The problem with Girardi is usually his inconsistency. He can go from solid as a rock to sucking on a game to game basis.

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Totally agree. Nobody here is saying Rozsival has been solid by any means.

However, to watch the game with bias Shades is pretty pathethic. That goal was Lundqvists fault. He needs to stay in his net and let Rozsy play the puck.
Why? Rozsival turns the puck over so often it's not even funny. Rozsival's turnovers have led to goals multiple times this year. He's the worst puck handler on the team not named Donald.

If I was Henrik, I'd handle the puck more, too. Don't let that idiot touch it.

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Rozsival is horrible, he is untenable. He turns the puck over like it's his job. Horrific turnovers that end up being scoring chances.

He can never keep the puck in on the blue line. It's almost as bad as watching a beer leaguer out there. I cannot believe that an NHL player can have such trouble with keeping the puck in the zone. It's not like it's once in a while, it's multiple times per game that he does this.

He's soft. When he decides to hit people, he can actually hit very well, but he only decides to do that once every 15 games.



BTW, MDZ is only a minus 1 and considering that 10 of his 15 points have come on the PP, I'd say that he's not doing all that bad defensively.
-1 for MDZ - that really speaks volumes for Rozsival then

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Rozi is no worse than any other Dman we have.
Playing with MDZ is a chore I would not necessarily volunteer for. He is great offensively and totally naive defensively. He is and will make mistakes for few years to come. His defensive partner has to be ready to cover for him. Either you over play and you get burned or you play your normal play and you will look selfish.

Its just what it means to have an 18 year old kid playing Man's game. You gotta take the rough with the smooth.

Rozi is playing with MDZ because (I am guessing) Torts believes Rozi is capable of covering for MDZ's defensive shortcomings. Instead of supporting him we are hissing him...g.d damned what kinda fans are we.

as for Brooks....that guy is a mental midget
I completely disagree. I don't really know what you're watching, frankly.

MDZ has been better than Rozsival defensively so far this year. Rozsival has been absolutely brutal -- far and away the worst d-man on the team.

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Rozi is no worse than any other Dman we have.
Playing with MDZ is a chore I would not necessarily volunteer for. He is great offensively and totally naive defensively. He is and will make mistakes for few years to come. His defensive partner has to be ready to cover for him. Either you over play and you get burned or you play your normal play and you will look selfish.

Its just what it means to have an 18 year old kid playing Man's game. You gotta take the rough with the smooth.

Rozi is playing with MDZ because (I am guessing) Torts believes Rozi is capable of covering for MDZ's defensive shortcomings. Instead of supporting him we are hissing him...g.d damned what kinda fans are we.

as for Brooks....that guy is a mental midget
Actually, its more likely because he wants Roszival and Del Zotto playing the least even strength minutes possible. Del Zotto is 19 and terrific on the powerplay...whats Roszival's excuse?

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I look forward to the inevitable day when Michal Rozsival is no longer a Ranger. But I don't see that day coming until this summer or next season. Wish I could say the same about Redden.
Again, what's wrong with Redden? Why wish our best d-man off the team? Redden had another solid game last night.

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