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11-12-2009, 04:11 PM
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O'Sullivan can shoot hard but God knows where the puck is heading. Comrie can pass but he is pretty soft otherwise.

I don't see any value these two bring to the table that is more than what Cogliano does.
Id be willing to give Cogs a try on the PP for a game or two and see how he does but he seems to be more of a rush type player then one who cycles the puck around in the offensive zone

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11-12-2009, 04:21 PM
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Their PP would look a hell of a lot better if they learned how to shoot the damn puck.

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They need to start using Brule properly on the pp. Why they have him standing in the middle of the net as a screen beats the hell outta me. The kid easily has the best slap shot on this team among forwards and one of the teams best shot arsenals. Its high time they started opening up the ice by having big shots at both sides of the rink. Here's what id try.
................................(Goal)
................................Penner.........

...........Gagner..............................


.............Brule...............................
.............................................Vish
.........................Gilbert

and

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.......................................Comrie


..........Hemsky...................Osullivan/Putolney


............Grebs......................Osullivan*


* Sourey takes the point when he gets back.

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11-12-2009, 05:34 PM
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You can go on and on about where the Oilers PP ranks in the league stats, and while I agree that has some merit, a truly potent and properly functioning PP is one that gets you goals when you really need them, more often than not.

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11-12-2009, 05:38 PM
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Their PP would look a hell of a lot better if they learned how to shoot the damn puck.
They need lanes and are not creating them. That is the problem that must be solved.

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11-12-2009, 05:40 PM
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85% of the time Hemsky does nothing but skates a few circles on the half boards and passes to the point for the one-timer.Does anybody else think that the oilers power play is to predictable?
85% of the time, the only other guys he can pass to are sitting on the bottom boards out of the play, or Dustin Penner who is farting in the goalies face. or if its not the bottom boards, its a bizarre angle one-timer shot from Horcoff that entails Hemsky making an insane pass through about 4-sticks unless the play has broken down enough for him to have the opponents BOX broken up.

please tell us where you would pass it in that continuous scenario that they are told to play?

if anything, its the lack of BALLS from the coaches to try other scenarios and models.

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11-12-2009, 07:34 PM
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85% of the time, the only other guys he can pass to are sitting on the bottom boards out of the play, or Dustin Penner who is farting in the goalies face. or if its not the bottom boards, its a bizarre angle one-timer shot from Horcoff that entails Hemsky making an insane pass through about 4-sticks unless the play has broken down enough for him to have the opponents BOX broken up.

please tell us where you would pass it in that continuous scenario that they are told to play?

if anything, its the lack of BALLS from the coaches to try other scenarios and models.
THIS ^^^

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11-12-2009, 07:59 PM
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cogliano is a young marchant..fast checker with no hands...he shouldn't be on the pp

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You can go on and on about where the Oilers PP ranks in the league stats, and while I agree that has some merit, a truly potent and properly functioning PP is one that gets you goals when you really need them, more often than not.
This sounds more like a PP with a reliable one-shot scorer, ie Kovalchuk, Gaborik, etc. ie: what we don't have.

We mostly have players that do the worst things at the worst times and rarely the best at crucial times. Our PP won us the COL game because it was efficient that night, all we can hope for is to have at least 1 PPG per game, without trying to choose when they come.

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11-13-2009, 02:08 AM
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Cogliano = Marchant

[QUOTE=oilerfanatic;22091781]cogliano is a young marchant..fast checker with no hands...he shouldn't be on the pp[/QUOTE

Cogliano and Marchant are very similar players but I would add that Cogliano has good hands.

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11-13-2009, 09:34 AM
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85% of the time Hemsky does nothing but skates a few circles on the half boards and passes to the point for the one-timer.Does anybody else think that the oilers power play is to predictable?
All PP's are predictable to a certain extent. Detroit has been using the same formula for the last 3 years, if it works don't fix it. If the Oilers were more dangerous down low, the points would be open more often for a shot. I really don't think Hemsky is the problem with the PP. If you know a better passer on the Oilers, name him.

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11-13-2009, 09:57 AM
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I think our number one problem in every facet of the game relates to shots, we are not getting them from enough players. If we can increase our shots (lets say 5) per game, rebounds, delections, miscues can happen.
Nail on the head right here.

Guys don't have the confidence to put it on net, other guys aren't prepared to create traffic because they're always looking for the pass.

Hemsky has the patience of a saint, but that's not necessarily always the best thing for a PP.

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11-13-2009, 10:27 AM
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I really question why Quinn gives so much powerplay time to guys like O'Sullivan and Comrie then virtually ignores Cogliano when it comes to the PP.

If given the opportunity, I believe Cogliano could lead this team in goals. What does Quinn have against the kid?
he has the same thing against cogs as he does gagner up until gagner stepped up his game. and so far cogs has just been floating in mediocrity. hes a good player and could be a 30 goal scorer someday but hes not playing like a 20 goal scorer right now. quinns only doing same thing for cogs as he did for gags. and quinn seems to be a by the book old style fair is fair kinda guy.

but last yaer cogs definitely got the short end of the stick as well as hte year before when he was playing well and producing with pisani and moreau types of players playing with him. it was probably a msitake to not move him up further this year cause he could be frustrated or just regressed.

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11-13-2009, 10:42 AM
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and quinn seems to be a by the book old style fair is fair kinda guy.
He does? I really think Quinn has sent a lot of mixed messages. Its little wonder some of the guys look as confused out on the ice as they do.

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So lets not have our most skilled player as the PP QB (from the sideboards)? He's the best passer on the team, best hands (stickhandling), and most creative, and he should handle the puck less?

Not buying it.

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So lets not have our most skilled player as the PP QB (from the sideboards)? He's the best passer on the team, best hands (stickhandling), and most creative, and he should handle the puck less?

Not buying it.
Best passer is arguable. His strength is his ability to hang on to the puck. Have you ever seen Hemsky make a pass like Penner made in the Sens game out to Gagner in front of the net? Just a quick, spontaneous pass? Hemsky doesn't do that. He hangs on until it's perfect.

Hockey ain't perfection. It's a messy game.

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They need lanes and are not creating them. That is the problem that must be solved.
BINGO!

They also need some shooters back there. Souray will be a boost. Gilbert is too scared to take a slap shot. Grebs never does either.

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Best passer is arguable. His strength is his ability to hang on to the puck. Have you ever seen Hemsky make a pass like Penner made in the Sens game out to Gagner in front of the net? Just a quick, spontaneous pass? Hemsky doesn't do that. He hangs on until it's perfect.

Hockey ain't perfection. It's a messy game.
^^^ Thats mostly how I feel about Hemsky as well. He's been type-cast as a playmaker but his skating is what makes the play happen for him & his linemates.

On the PP...he sometimes becomes a cheetah in a cage.

Its funny because... the Oilers are so intent on rushing aggresivley at 5<>5 & there can be no doubt its the best weapon this team has.

I think they get on the PP & worry so much about gaining the zone they (sometimes) forget to play to their strengths.

In order for this personnel to be effective they have to skate. This shouldn't change on the PP.

I say:

Attack with speed in ALL situations & attack the net directly upon entering the zone...then worry about setting up the PP off those rebounds.

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11-14-2009, 09:23 AM
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he has the same thing against cogs as he does gagner up until gagner stepped up his game. and so far cogs has just been floating in mediocrity. hes a good player and could be a 30 goal scorer someday but hes not playing like a 20 goal scorer right now. quinns only doing same thing for cogs as he did for gags. and quinn seems to be a by the book old style fair is fair kinda guy.

but last yaer cogs definitely got the short end of the stick as well as hte year before when he was playing well and producing with pisani and moreau types of players playing with him. it was probably a msitake to not move him up further this year cause he could be frustrated or just regressed.
Well said, you make a lot of good points.

I think MacT really did give Cogs the short end of the stick. I also agree that Cogs hasn't had a great start this year and perhaps his ice time reflects that.

Good post.

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11-14-2009, 10:58 AM
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I think "Cheetah in a cage" really describes Hemsky on the PP. He is by far the best player on the team when he has some room to skate and is better than anyone at gaining the zone, but once things are set up he is not terribly effective IMO. He isn't great at making quick decisions, he's not particularly good at playing in high traffic, and he is awful at getting his shots through to the net. Yes, he generally gets more PP points than anyone on the team, but that is because the PP is completely centered on him.

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11-14-2009, 12:55 PM
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Only Penner has more PP points then Hemsky on this team, 1 more in 3 more games. So to say that Hemsky is the problem is dumb. The PP obviously produces with him on it. Last year he had 10 more points then the next closest forward on the team in PP points and was ranked 23rd overall in the league with PP points.

Hemsky might be struggling, but shouldnt be taken off the first unit.
Who do you guys want in his place? Pisani? Comrie? Cogliano? Potulny? These guys arent better options.
With all the better evaluative stats available why do people only look only at points?

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Merely quoting PP pts or PP pts 60/mins is doing Hemsky a big favor. He's a PP QB that possesses the puck much of the time, all the plays go through him. If theres a goal scored by anybody on that PP Hemsky usually gets a pt.

AS I've mentioned before Gagner typically has the puck less but distributes it more and its a more active PP and harder to defend with the puck going to different players and the box having to defend.
Its more downlow as well and less halfboard static as a Hemsky PP.

To me the real numbers that matter on a PP is the GFON/60mins that the player is on the ice for.

Gagner, last year, as a 19yr old, despite having mostly 2nd unit PP to work with EXCEEDED Hemskys PP production.

Gagner was at 6.50GFON/60mins. Hemsky 6.30GFON/60mins.

Hemsky even had the huge advantage last year of working with Souray who basically made the Hemsky PP click. Sourays GFON/60mins was 6.72. The GFOFF(when he wasn't on the PP) plummeted to 4.13.

Nobody was more critical to the first unit PP success last year than Souray. His ON/OFF #'s indicate he literally drove the PP results.

Despite Hemsky's fancy pirouettes.

In anycase why would people use pts stats to analyze a players prowess when a PP unit is a unit in a team sport and that all that matters is not who got more pts but the overall productivity of a unit. GF60mins is just a better more complete stat to use and even to interpret how well a QB is utilizing the PP.

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9th ranked PP @ 22.4%
13 ranked PK @ 81.2%

not bad

5th ranked PP on the road @ 25.0 %
5th ranked PK on the road @ 86.2%

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9th ranked PP @ 22.4%
13 ranked PK @ 81.2%

not bad

5th ranked PP on the road @ 25.0 %
5th ranked PK on the road @ 86.2%
yessir... lots of doom and gloom around here, but we all know this is a special teams league, and we're doing this with all the injuries/ illness.

I really think we will be looking at a very competitive team come the stretch run/ after the olympics, assuming we can FINALLY get healthy.

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