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11-16-2009, 12:49 AM
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I would take Higgins. Afterall 40 goals > 30 goals

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11-16-2009, 12:51 AM
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who would u rather have right now? higgins or a kost?

For me it would be higgins
And why is that exactly?..

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I'd probably go with Higgins too. I mean, AK at his best was approaching 30-goalishness. But then so was Higgins. And you get more dimensions out of Higgins. Both players are slumping massively, but I can't help thinking Higgins does more for you when he's slumping than AK does. Flip side, AK has more pure skill and hence a greater upside. Close call, but I'll go with Higgins.
That wasn't the case last year.


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11-16-2009, 02:41 AM
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Why are we not developing the brothers together on the same line????

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11-16-2009, 03:32 AM
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This bros thing is way overrated. Yes, they have played good games together, but Andrei has played good without Sergei. He played his entire AHL carreer without is bro, and had a good second season there. Sure, when Sergei was first called up, it lit a fire under his ass, but a professional athletes needs to have other ways to get motivated. I can't believe he would be in need of a bro boost for his whole carreer.

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11-16-2009, 03:46 AM
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Id rather have Mike Cammalleri, and no Mike Cammalleri if we didn't have Gomez...
I'd rather have Koivu, Tanguay and Lang than Cammalleri.

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11-16-2009, 06:49 AM
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I'd rather have Koivu, Tanguay and Lang than Cammalleri.
That's part of why people ignore all the ******** you're saying, you know...

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11-16-2009, 07:41 AM
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That wasn't the case last year.
No, I think I would have gone with Higgins last year too. Or any year. It's the same case. AK started well and was really hot around mid season last year, but disappeared entirely in the second half. I was ready to cut him slack because of injury and distractions. But he's still stuck for 20 games this year. Even at his worst last year, I thought Higgins was still better and more versatile. No real difference, this year or last.

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11-16-2009, 08:07 AM
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No, I think I would have gone with Higgins last year too. Or any year. It's the same case. AK started well and was really hot around mid season last year, but disappeared entirely in the second half. I was ready to cut him slack because of injury and distractions. But he's still stuck for 20 games this year. Even at his worst last year, I thought Higgins was still better and more versatile. No real difference, this year or last.
July 1

Higgins = UFA and would leave Montreal guaranteed
Kostitsyn = RFA

Even if it was close between them. And it isn't, Kostitsyn is way better.

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11-16-2009, 09:21 AM
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Andrei, by a mile and a half.

I know the grass is always greener and other teams' players are always miles better but let's be realistic here. Both are unlucky shooting, but Kostitsyn is more so this year, and he's playing okay, whereas Higgins is driving possession in the wrong direction. Higgins has never been better than AKost in any season they have both played together, and Andrei is younger to boot. The ceiling is much higher and the present is better. There's no reasonable reason to pick Higgins unless you need a penalty killer, and you should really use grinders for that.

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11-16-2009, 09:33 AM
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That's part of why people ignore all the ******** you're saying, you know...
So you think that we're better of with Cammalleri + 2 fourth liners, say White and Pyatt, than with the three guys I mentioned. Who's saying ********?

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11-16-2009, 09:50 AM
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So you think that we're better of with Cammalleri + 2 fourth liners, say White and Pyatt, than with the three guys I mentioned. Who's saying ********?
Tanguay was looking to get 5M on July 1st.
Koivu would've asked 4M from the Habs.
There's no way Lang asked as low as 1M on July 1st.

Neither are as good as Cammalleri, and 2 out of them are pretty much done.

Don't kid yourself. We could've signed Prospal at 1M with our cap space, still we didn't. And I take Prospal way before Koivu, Tanguay and Lang. He was bound to have a great season. This is how his career has been. 1 good season, 1 bad season.

Still, you're once again living in the past. Tanguay is not what you want as a leader, as much as I liked him, he's not involved enough in the game.

Gainey decided to change his neucleus, and I think he did great. IMO, our "winning window" closed after Markov got hurt last spring. We had two years in which we were considered as Stanley Cup contenders.

2007-2008: Price underperformed and was outplayed by Biron.
2008-2009: We were too unlucky and had too many injuries.

That's how it goes. Now, if we manage things correctly, we're going to have another window in the next two years. However, you have to keep your talented young players like Sergei, Andrei, and keep your draft picks until we have as many young talents as we had back in 2007-2008.

Grabovski and Streit are two players who are good enough to significantly change a team dynamic that were let go without getting anything significant in return for the long-term.

What shocks me so much, is that when Gainey could've traded guys like Higgins and Grabovski on February 2008 in exchange for Hossa, he pretty much backed up. This is where Gainey made his mistake IMO. Hossa would've put us over the top that year.

Once again, a neucleus of Gomez, Gionta, Cammalleri, Plekanec, Markov, Price is good enough to have a good playoffs team. The big difference between this year and the team in 2007-2008, is the supporting cast. The 2nd line wingers and the third line are too weak to perform consistantly, and the defense just lost its quarterback.

Now, call Sergei back, and you could get him AND Andrei going. NOW, this would significantly change how the picture looks.


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I would have gone with Higgins last year, but after seeing him and his attitude shift I'd have to go with the more talented player of the 2.

A. Kosty COULD be a 40 goal scorer but I doubt Higgins has that ceiling.

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11-16-2009, 10:21 AM
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July 1

Higgins = UFA and would leave Montreal guaranteed
Kostitsyn = RFA

Even if it was close between them. And it isn't, Kostitsyn is way better.
Sorry but Higgins would never leave the Habs if he wasn't traded. Pretty sure once AK46 hits UFA, he's gonna go elsewhere.

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11-16-2009, 10:25 AM
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Sorry but Higgins would never leave the Habs if he wasn't traded. Pretty sure once AK46 hits UFA, he's gonna go elsewhere.
Come on... Higgins' a hockey player, like Kovalev and Komisarek. He'll go for the best offer both money and hockey wise, in order to produce enough to get another good contract with a team he'll once again choose.

The guy was perpetually bashing the medias and even sometimes the fans last year. He didn't want to play here anymore. It just showed in his game.

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11-16-2009, 10:27 AM
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i cant believe this is even a thread

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11-16-2009, 11:53 AM
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July 1

Higgins = UFA and would leave Montreal guaranteed
Kostitsyn = RFA

Even if it was close between them. And it isn't, Kostitsyn is way better.
I don't know if Kostitsyn's RFA status is a plus or minus at this point... if you have to qualify a guy with 1 goal at $3M+, well, he effectively becomes UFA too.

Anyway, I like Higgins a little bit better and he would have liked to stay in Montreal with me as GM, so it wouldn't be an issue. Guaranteed.

I still take Jason Ward over Higgins, though.

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11-16-2009, 12:24 PM
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A defenceman.

Any defenceman.

Please.

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11-16-2009, 01:28 PM
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At least when Higgins isn't producing offensively he is still useful defensively.

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11-16-2009, 05:01 PM
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Higgins = UFA and would leave Montreal guaranteed
Kostitsyn = RFA

Even if it was close between them. And it isn't, Kostitsyn is way better.
You know Higgins would leave guaranteed..why, are you his agent, mother... god????

seriously, the assumptions made on this board are beyond ridiculous!

And what's with all this upside with AK46???

His best season EVER in ANY league was 26 G - 27 A = 53 Points in one year.

Higgins was 27 G - 25 A = 52 points

Stats aren't everything, but Higgins give you more... PK and effort and he wanted to play for the Habs. Kostitsyn would play anywhere for the $$.

AK46 is nothing more than a headcase with very limited upside!


Now if Bob and traded the Kostitsyn brother for Gomez instead of Higgins and McDonough, I could have stomached that. But he really got taken to the cleaners on that trade!

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