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11-20-2009, 11:37 AM
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We tell him Plekanec.
Have you see the chemistry between those two during the pre-season?

Because Gomez contract is costing less than his cap (and situation is getting better everyday).
So Gomez is going to be more and more SCap friendly for poor teams.

On the reverse, Umberger and Vermette salary are going up.

This trade would make more sense at trade deadline or next summer.
I'd be cool with this deal, Umberger and Vermette, Not bad return, if you could possibly pry Brassard instead of umberger for a first in 2011 I think I would try it

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11-20-2009, 11:39 AM
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Like it would be the first time? Signs Theodore to a crazy contract....gets rid of him.
Well trading Gomez is one step further than Theodore. Theodore it's "sign and trade". Gomez it's "get rid of the bunch, get a new one, get rid of one of the new one".....

And the difference is that at the time, coming from a Vezina and Hart performances, everybody knew it was a lot of money but didn't have so much of a problem with it, reason why so many people, including myself, were so stunned by the Price pick. As far as Gomez is concerned, most people wanted Koivu back. For the ones who didn't, most of them never thought of Gomez 'cause the contract was too crazy......and for the ones who still didn't mind that, most of them couldn't believed we gave one of our best d-man prospect. So in general, getting Gomez in the first place was more of a mistake than signing Theodore at that amount.

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Gomez has negative trade value, he was and still is untradable, only Bob decided to actually give up assets for him.

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11-20-2009, 11:42 AM
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Gomez has negative trade value, he was and still is untradable, only Bob decided to actually give up assets for him.
let's just hope there's another bob out there.

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11-20-2009, 11:44 AM
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make zero sense for Colombus

what a coincidence that this rumor pop out in the Marinaro show the day after he talk about his rebuilding plan

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11-20-2009, 11:44 AM
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Why do they even report unfounded rumors like that..?

Might as well report what Eklund is posting..

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11-20-2009, 11:45 AM
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that's called being politically correct. They came here because BG offered them a salary and contract length that other teams did not offer... If Gionta had it his way, he'd still be in NJ.... $ talks.
its the kind of thing you dont say unless its true. no doubt money played its part, but along the way I can see other teams offering 6m to cammalleri ... he decided to come here and said gomez played a role in it. Gionta was approached by gomez apparently before habs did anything... so obviously he played a role in gionta comming here...

in the end, its a hard choice, do we trust them or do we trust you?

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11-20-2009, 11:50 AM
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And then how do we explain that to Gionta?
[Gainey enters his office to a waiting Brian Gionta]
Gainey: Good afternoon Brian. I didn't want to call you in today but I thought it would be best if you heard it straight from the horse's mouth. I'm glad you're sitting down for this.
Gionta: Actually, I'm standing.
Gainey: Oh... That's actually a good segway for what I'm about to say.

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11-20-2009, 11:55 AM
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Hell yeah!!

But its to good to be true.

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11-20-2009, 11:56 AM
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Gomez has negative trade value, he was and still is untradable, only Bob decided to actually give up assets for him.
Both sides said there was a bidding war before the trade and Bob had to up his offer.

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11-20-2009, 11:58 AM
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Another day, another rumour. Deep down, we all know it's all BS.

Trades happen before we hear about them. Not the other way around.

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its the kind of thing you dont say unless its true. no doubt money played its part, but along the way I can see other teams offering 6m to cammalleri ... he decided to come here and said gomez played a role in it. Gionta was approached by gomez apparently before habs did anything... so obviously he played a role in gionta comming here...

in the end, its a hard choice, do we trust them or do we trust you?

I'm not doubting that Gomez was a nice bonus for Gio... but you also agree that "Money played a big part"... so, what's the debate? And we're not talking about an extra million over 5 years.. we're talking about an extra 10 Mil maybe.

Do you also think if Gomez wasn't here Gio wouldn't have signed here?

If Gomez gets traded, I think Gio would be more concerned about how the team faired in the deal vs losing his supposed main reason for signing here.

This is a business and he made the best decision for his family... NJ was not ready to give him 5 mil let alone resign him at 4 mil again, let alone for 5 years...

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11-20-2009, 11:59 AM
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Gomez has negative trade value, he was and still is untradable, only Bob decided to actually give up assets for him.
i guess Bob doesnt know how thinks work maybe you should become GM since you have so much insight on trades bro!


lets not forget here, columbus was losing/is still losing money, they are a cap team, and would not take over a 7-8mil dollar contract, since they cant afford it. not only to mention, they would lose in the trade.

also, gomez is not doing bad job, especially when gio is playing.

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11-20-2009, 12:01 PM
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I'm not doubting that Gomez was a nice bonus for Gio... but you also agree that "Money played a big part"... so, what's the debate? And we're not talking about an extra million over 5 years.. we're talking about an extra 10 Mil maybe.

Do you also think if Gomez wasn't here Gio wouldn't have signed here?

If Gomez gets traded, I think Gio would be more concerned about how the team faired in the deal vs losing his supposed main reason for signing here.

This is a business and he made the best decision for his family... NJ was not ready to give him 5 mil let alone resign him at 4 mil again, let alone for 5 years...
I don't doubt NJ wasn't ready to give him the contract Habs handed him but I'd like to know where you got that they didn't to give him 4 mil or even keep him for 4 years.

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11-20-2009, 12:03 PM
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While I don't believe it's true, and while it might be something that happens at that time of the year, from Martin McGuire of CKAC, there are a lot of pro scouts from different teams at the Bell Centre AND it seems that there's a whole lot of guys of the organisation that are travelling with the team at this time, most pro scouts and everybody relating to hockey decisions. From McGuire, it does seem as some big meetings are coming up.

Again, just reporting what McGuire said (not Pierre but Martin).

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sucks teams cant include cash in deals, we could easily buy players from cash strapped teams

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Again, just reporting what McGuire said (not Pierre but Martin).
-- Off topic --

Wouldn't it be quicker and shorter if you just write "Martin McGuire"?

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11-20-2009, 12:09 PM
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I'm not doubting that Gomez was a nice bonus for Gio... but you also agree that "Money played a big part"... so, what's the debate? And we're not talking about an extra million over 5 years.. we're talking about an extra 10 Mil maybe.

Do you also think if Gomez wasn't here Gio wouldn't have signed here?

If Gomez gets traded, I think Gio would be more concerned about how the team faired in the deal vs losing his supposed main reason for signing here.

This is a business and he made the best decision for his family... NJ was not ready to give him 5 mil let alone resign him at 4 mil again, let alone for 5 years...
no ... gionta doesnt sign here. money played its part in the sense that he wouldnt come here for a discount... or a low offer... but I do believe we are not the only ones that offered him 4.5m + contract. what I mean, is for the same $ , gomez is the main factor in his decision.

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I don't doubt NJ wasn't ready to give him the contract Habs handed him but I'd like to know where you got that they didn't to give him 4 mil or even keep him for 4 years.
It's called using logic mate.

If NJ offered him 4 Mil per year for 5 years that would be 20 million in a lower tax state... prbly taking home the equivalent after taxes, if not more, than he is Montreal.

Further to that, Gio is a family man (do I need a link for this claim too?) and knowing this, most family guys prefer stability and NOT having to move and relocate your family from their home for many years.

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no ... gionta doesnt sign here. I
Gio wouldn't have signed here if Gomez wasn't here... ya, sure buddy.

Anyways, the point is:

If Gomez gets moved, Gio will survive.

The whole " ya having gomez here was a plus " talk is mostly PR.


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11-20-2009, 12:13 PM
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If this happened, it would have to precipitate a move for Vinny.

Umberger+Kostitsyn+Kostitsyn+1st for Vinny.

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Both sides said there was a bidding war before the trade and Bob had to up his offer.
The only other confirmed team were the Leafs, and Burke has been causally interested in just about every trade option and free agent in order to try to rebuild the Leafs.

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I really believe last year was a blip on the radar for pleky.

But I agree- He is the ideal #2 center. But he has outperformed gomer at this point. I really hope gomez picks it up. I want to see him do well.
Vermette #2? oh boy, he's an ideal #3. Pleks is an ideal #2 ..I would only make this deal because I think we could use 7m on a much better player than Gomez but if this means giving up Pleks because we can't sign him then we just downgraded our #2.

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Gio wouldn't have signed here if Gomez wasn't here... ya, sure buddy.

Anyways, the point is:

If Gomez gets moved, Gio will survive.

The whole " ya having gomez here was a plus " talk is mostly PR.
Rumors are that even that day Gionta took alot of time to make his decision,so I guess the money was important but not the only reason he signed here.Gomez has 5 years left and Gio signed for 5 years,coincidence maybe but you gotta believe Gomez being here was a huge step for Gionta to give Montreal a chance money or not

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So Gomez is traded to Montreal for a third liner and prospects and somehow Montreal trades him for two second liners. I can see that happening.

Not to mention, both Vermette and Umberger are outproducing Gomez.

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Gio wouldn't have signed here if Gomez wasn't here... ya, sure buddy.

Anyways, the point is:

If Gomez gets moved, Gio will survive.

The whole " ya having gomez here was a plus " talk is mostly PR.
i rather belive that there would have been a big chance he wouldnt of, since all previous years we were never able to score any UFA's? and suddently this year, after trading for gomez, we sign to top snipers?

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