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11-20-2009, 02:50 AM
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When did the Rangers become the MEts? Is he on the the IR or not? IS this organization hiding a injury or hiding the fact he is getting better? The team should come and set the record straight not a reporter . When did the Rangers become shaddy ?
Anyway you look at it, it's a good thing. Let's all be good fans and not demand to know these things, it's best for the organization and privacy of the players.

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Great article, I posted it in the general sports forum, but it definitely applies here.

Head injuries are no joke, the games are changing, so should the rules/practices.
You know, before reading this article I would have said, suck it up, hits are apart of the game, and they take the risk of injury. Not like this though, not long term psychological and neurological damage. After reading that, it's pretty frightening even from a fan perspective. I'm all for a physical game, but not if it risks ruining these peoples lives in the long run.

I agree, maybe the sport does need to become less physical or change the rules for those who are physical with intent to do anything other than play the puck. Of course it would generate a HUGE grey area, of what is simply playing the puck, and what is physical beyond that. You already have that grey area with the current rules, but this would indeed broaden it.

While this trend probably isn't nearly as common (obviously Hockey players are not getting slammed in the head every time they make a play) in Hockey, I'd still say the risk is there. Although the evidence in the article is incomplete, the consistencies in the samples they have are too damning to argue that after reaching their data limit the results would not be enough to convict Football as an incredibly dangerous, and inane sport to participate in. While I certainly don't think Hockey is quite in that category, I would hate for it to go there.

Sports are all well and good, but not when there is a blood thirst associated with it.

P.S. Great read, thanks for the link.

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11-20-2009, 06:39 AM
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Renney took a far more conservative view on injuries. It was never explained why Drury rode the bike two days after the concussion. The Rangers flew back home on Sunday afternoon from Calgary. On Monday,Drury rode the bike and Torts said he might play on Thursday against Atlanta. The Rangers were off on Tuesday. On Wednesday,Torts said Drury felt bad after working out. Why was he working out in the first place less than 48 hours after being concussed? Not trying to play doctor but why was Drury exercising.

Seeing the specialist to see what the next step is with Drury worked out well for Booth who had the symptoms return after given clearance to increase his exercising.

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CC: What are the doctors saying?
DB: I've seen a lot of guys, every doctor says something different. It's difficult when that happens; you take a little bit of advice from all of them.
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CC: I imagine the best advice is not to rush back.
DB: That's the biggest thing. You feel good at times during the day, you want to get back out there. I guess, you can't. That's the way it goes. I hate doing nothing. I feel like a slob. I want to do anything I can. It's been difficult.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/arti...ng-i-feel-slob

The Rangers need to take their time with Drury. Beukeboom came back too early and he suffered three concussions during 98-99 ending his career.

Michael Strahan was discussing concussions this week in reference to Westbrook

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"From the depression, to having to sit up in the bed and for 45 minutes just to get their bearings, to other problems . . . you can't imagine, [just] because somebody gets knocked out a few times in football. The threat is real.

"One of my good friends takes Alzheimer's medicine right now to combat some of the issues with concussions," Strahan said. "The memory loss, and all those things. He's in his 30s. It's unfortunate to see that in such a young person."

Strahan declined to name his friend, but it sounds a lot like Ted Johnson, the former Patriots linebacker (and current local Patriots analyst) who, in 2007, accused his former team of pressuring him into playing despite having had several concussions and suffering postconcussion symptoms.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/70350507.html

That's sad.

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11-20-2009, 08:09 AM
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I've been preaching it the whole thread...concussions are serious business with serious repercussions. Health problems, mental and emotional problems, you name it.

I like Drury and probably qualify as a Drury apologist, but I'm really hoping he sits out a few more weeks (minimum).

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11-20-2009, 08:25 AM
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Um, no. I've never once tried to injure someone when throwing a hit. Knock the wind out of them? Make them sore the next day? Make him think twice about skating through the crease? Absolutely. But injure? Absolutely not. If you're running around throwing hits trying to injure people, then you have no respect for the game or for the opposition. Trying to hurt the opposition is not and should never be a part of the game. I'm really, really hoping that was just a poorly worded statement dude.
this is exactly what I meant. poor wording by me. sorry about that. Everytime you hit somebody you want to inflict a little pain, or at least make them feel it. Not try to break somebodies bones, or put them out of there misery. But make them aware of your presence, and keep that in there minds.

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And how is "it was an accident" an excuse for hurting someone? If I'm doubling the speed limit in the rain at 4AM and lose control of my car and kill someone, you think a judge and jury will give one **** that it was an accident? The same goes for hockey. If you're Launching yourself like a missile across the ice to deck someone, and you happen to catch him in the face and concuss him, I'm sorry, but you're responsible for that. There are definitely instances where players are accidentally hurt on otherwise clean hits, I don't disagree--but there are also a ton of injuries that result from one player throwing an out of control check, whether the actual impact was accidental or not. You have to control yourself when you're on the ice, and if you can't and you hurt someone, you need to be punished.
yes if you aim at there head, you are responsible. But what about the plays where the player about to be hit, turns right before or curls down thus taking the hit in the head. That is his responsibility as well. It seems that players now don't know how to take hits as well either. Especially around the boards where they more often than not turn their backs on the player trying to get a boarding call. That's dangerous, and that isn't the hitters fault, but rather the hittees.

A problem w/ the penalty system is trying to figure out who's fault it is. A player who was trying to make a clean hit w/ the shoulder into another players chest, should not be penalized if the player curls up before the hit and takes it in the head. Common sense has to prevail sometimes.

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By your logic, high sticking shouldn't be a penalty at all, since it's accidental...right? Of course not. Because you're responsible for controlling your stick when you're on the ice. You're not any less responsible for controlling your body when attempting a hit. I'd argue you're MORE responsible...
no swinging a high stick recklessly should be a penalty. It is dangerous. but if a player has a high stick and another player swings his head into the stick on purpose trying to get a penalty, well that shouldn't be a penalty on the player with the high stick.

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One of the reasons head shots have become a problem in the game nowadays is because the modern hockey player seems to play with less respect for the opponent now than at any other time. I've heard this from players personally and read it many times over. If you don't have any respect for your fellow player, you're much less likely to play under control, and much more likely to put yourself in situations where you're "accidentally" hurting people.
Completely agree that they have less respect. But it does go both ways. Both the hitter and the hittee has less respect. The hitter is sometimes very reckless, but the hittee sometimes looks to draw a penalty and will Purposely put themselves in a more vulnerable position, or turn at the last second in hopes of drawing a call.

There is a fine line between legal, and illegal hit. The question is do we want games to be decided on a questionable call. The onus shouldn't be just on the hitter, but the hittee needs to take some responsibility sometimes. I've seen it too often, especially along the boards, where players don't know how to take a hit correctly or try to draw a penalty, and that is just as dangerous.

I think another problem, might be that players wear too much protection nowadays making them feel invincible. Thus the uptick in reckless behavior. There is a correlation between more and better pads, and more reckless behavior. Whether it is a causation is up for debate, but there is definately a correlation.


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Drury cleared to practice per Zipay.

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Actually, change that to worked out and cleared to "start the process" - whatever that means.

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He's been cleared to work out, it sounds like. If he continues to work out without having problems, he'll probably get back on the ice pretty soon.

I would say the Rangers probably just made a mistake in letting Drury get on the bike the day (or the day after that, whatever) after the hit. Drury was probably feeling good, everyone was thinking "oh, it must not have been bad, or not have been a "real" concussion", and he wanted to work out. But yeah, sounds like it was a mistake.

I don't think that's something that can hurt him in the long run, it just might have made the healing process longer

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He's been cleared to work out, it sounds like. If he continues to work out without having problems, he'll probably get back on the ice pretty soon.

I would say the Rangers probably just made a mistake in letting Drury get on the bike the day (or the day after that, whatever) after the hit. Drury was probably feeling good, everyone was thinking "oh, it must not have been bad, or not have been a "real" concussion", and he wanted to work out. But yeah, sounds like it was a mistake.

I don't think that's something that can hurt him in the long run, it just might have made the healing process longer
Was thinking the same thing. Im also thinking its very strange that Jim Ramsay, in particular, would allow something like that to happen...as hes genuinely regarded as one of, if not THE, best trainer in the business.

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Drury exercised for 20 minutes today. If he feels fine,then he will continue exercising a little more each day. If he remains symptom free after that(usually about a week),he will begin skating.

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The news was good today regarding captain Chris Drury. He was cleared medically yesterday after his afternoon doctor’s visit to begin the next phase of his comeback after suffering a concussion when the Flames’ Curtis Glencross blindsided him on Nov.7. Drury came to the Madison Square Garden Training Center for a 20-minute off-ice workout today, though he left before the media was allowed into the dressing room.

It was his first time in the building since Nov. 11, when he was sent home because, in coach John Tortorella’s words, he was becoming too frustrated because he wasn’t able to do all he wanted.

Drury also attended team meetings today, the first time for that since he was hurt.

There’s still no timetable for his on-ice return, or even when he’ll resume skating but if Drury remains symptom-free as he increases his physical activity, he should be able to resume training relatively soon.
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I don't understand why head shots are not automatic game misconduct and an automatic 10 game suspension.

Dangerous plays with intent to injure should be punished severely.

Boarding and hits to the head should be automatic.


If a stupid stick in the hands is an automatic 2minute penalty then a HIT TO THE HEAD should be automatic.


The logic and reasoning within the league has always been mind numbingly stupid.

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I don't understand why head shots are not automatic game misconduct and an automatic 10 game suspension.

Dangerous plays with intent to injure should be punished severely.

Boarding and hits to the head should be automatic.


If a stupid stick in the hands is an automatic 2minute penalty then a HIT TO THE HEAD should be automatic.


The logic and reasoning within the league has always been mind numbingly stupid.
I agree. If they let them go unpunished, players like Ott, Ruutu or Neil feel they can do anything...

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I agree. If they let them go unpunished, players like Ott, Ruutu or Neil feel they can do anything...
Especially because the league wont allow retribution.

If you instigate a fight to stick up for your teammates, the league frowns upon that more then intentionally injuring a player.

The league took more offense to Avery saying "sloppy seconds" and that Iginla is "boring" then it does with players deliberately injuring other players.

It's pathetic.

The league offices are pathetic.

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Especially because the league wont allow retribution.

If you instigate a fight to stick up for your teammates, the league frowns upon that more then intentionally injuring a player.

The league took more offense to Avery saying "sloppy seconds" and that Iginla is "boring" then it does with players deliberately injuring other players.

It's pathetic.

The league offices are pathetic.
Agreed. Avery was put through a whole rehab program because he said Phaneuf was getting his sloppy seconds. Glencross blindsides Drury completely enducing something that is life threatening and he got what 3 games??? RIDICULOUS

Good news on Drury. I want him back.

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Drury skated by himself for 30 minutes this morning before Rangers practice

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Chris Drury looked fine in dressing room. Will skate again tomorrow. No timetable for return but he'll see doctor on Monday.
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Chris Drury said it's undecided still whether he'll make Florida/Tampa Bay/Pittsburgh trip Thanksgiving week.
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Chris Drury, in his first remarks since Nov. 7 concussion, says he feels "normal", will skate again tmw, see doc Mon; hopes to be on rd trip
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Drury skated today.

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Steve Zipay, of Newsday, caught up with Rangers captain Chris Drury who skated for the first time since his concussion on November 7th.

Drury skated for a half hour today and spoke with Zipay afterward.
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The post-concussion symptoms:

The symptoms (disappearing) ”was kinda gradual to a point, then ended. Monday I just started to feel better, had a good appointment with the doctor on Thursday, worked out on my own yesterday, skated today pretty hard, so far so good….My head felt fine, everything else has to catch up from two weeks off.”
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this is exactly what I meant. poor wording by me. sorry about that. Everytime you hit somebody you want to inflict a little pain, or at least make them feel it. Not try to break somebodies bones, or put them out of there misery. But make them aware of your presence, and keep that in there minds.
FALSE.

That is NOT what you want to do when you hit somebody.


The reason you hit in hockey is to SIMPLY: KNOCK SOMEONE OFF THE PUCK.


You don't have to drive through them like they were a piece of crap you found on the street.

You bump them off the puck, knock them down if you can, CLEANLY.

You hip check them to impede their progress WITH THE PUCK.


You DO NOT, EVER, check someone to "inflict pain".


When you check someone to "inflict pain" you get the crap that has been happening in the NHL with the head shots, boarding, and all the other BS plays that show that players have a complete lack of respect for each other.


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