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11-21-2009, 10:03 AM
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Can the Habs keep everybody??

2009-2010 cap hit 2010-2011 cap hit
Gomez 7.357 7.357
Cammalleri 6.000 6.000
Gionta 5.000 5.000
A.Kostitsyn 3.250 3.250
Plekanec 2.750 (4.500)
Laraque 1.500 1.500
Moen 1.500 1.500
Pacioretty 0.875 0.875
Metropolit 1.000 (Gone)
Latendresse 0.802 (0.800)
Pyatt 0.718 (0.850)
White 0.700 0.850
Lapierre 0.688 (0.800)
D'Agostini 0.500 (0.600)

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Markov 5.750 5.750
Hamrlik 5.500 5.500
Spacek 3.888 3.888
Gill 2.250 2.250
Mara 1.675 (1.800)
Gorges 1.100 1.100
O'Byrne 0.942 0.942

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Price 2.200 (4.000)
Halak 0.775 1.000

TOTAL 56.833 59.500

- Our key players (Gomez, Cammalleri, Gionta) are locked for 5 years!
- Now, with Plekanec and Price free agents, they should have long term contract...lets say 4.5M/yr for 5 years for Plekanec and 4M/yr for 4 years for Price.
- Then, our best player, Markov, will be UFA, in two years...how much would he get, 6M? 7M?...let say 6.5M/yr for 4 years.
- If we make the total of these players : 33.357M for 6 players.
- ~25M for 16 players...thats pretty impossible.

Can the Habs keep everybody? What would guys do? Who would you keep? Who would you get rid of?

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11-21-2009, 10:06 AM
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2009-2010 cap hit 2010-2011 cap hit
Gomez 7.357 7.357
Cammalleri 6.000 6.000
Gionta 5.000 5.000
A.Kostitsyn 3.250 3.250
Plekanec 2.750 (4.500)
Laraque 1.500 1.500
Moen 1.500 1.500
Pacioretty 0.875 0.875
Metropolit 1.000 (Gone)
Latendresse 0.802 (0.800)
Pyatt 0.718 (0.850)
White 0.700 0.850
Lapierre 0.688 (0.800)
D'Agostini 0.500 (0.600)

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Markov 5.750 5.750
Hamrlik 5.500 5.500
Spacek 3.888 3.888
Gill 2.250 2.250
Mara 1.675 (1.800)
Gorges 1.100 1.100
O'Byrne 0.942 0.942

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Price 2.200 (4.000)
Halak 0.775 1.000

TOTAL 56.833 59.500

- Our key players (Gomez, Cammalleri, Gionta) are locked for 5 years!
- Now, with Plekanec and Price free agents, they should have long term contract...lets say 4.5M/yr for 5 years for Plekanec and 4M/yr for 4 years for Price.
- Then, our best player, Markov, will be UFA, in two years...how much would he get, 6M? 7M?...let say 6.5M/yr for 4 years.
- If we make the total of these players : 33.357M for 6 players.
- ~25M for 16 players...thats pretty impossible.

Can the Habs keep everybody? What would guys do? Who would you keep?
First off, you don't know where will the cap be set as of next year and the following ones.
Second, you don't know how much our players will cost. Don't see Price getting 4M.
Third, we have players that will either be traded or let go.

You always have room for great players unless you have too many already. That's not our case.

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11-21-2009, 10:35 AM
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I would try to get rid of Gomez and his salary after this season and go forward with the following core:

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Gionta - Markov - Price

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From your list I think that Mara is a goner for sure. And I'd like to think that Plekanec will be re-signed, but not too sure about it.

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From your list I think that Mara is a goner for sure. And I'd like to think that Plekanec will be re-signed, but not too sure about it.
Mara is extremely underrated, he is our best signing on defense.. I wouldnt get rid of him.

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Price and $4 million?


No way in hell. Mara better be retained though.

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Mara is extremely underrated, he is our best signing on defense.. I wouldnt get rid of him.
I did not say I want to get rid of him, I just think he will be the obvious cap casualty along with Metropolit.

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I did not say I want to get rid of him, I just think he will be the obvious cap casualty along with Metropolit.
Look at his salary!!

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Look at his salary!!
For a team that will be so tight against the cap every couple of million helps.

I mean who else do you see gone instead of him?

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For a team that will be so tight against the cap every couple of million helps.

I mean who else do you see gone instead of him?
Spacek or Gill, moreso the first

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I think the bigger question is, do we want to keep everybody.

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Maybe AKost won't be here by the end of the year, that'll free up money.

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11-21-2009, 11:02 AM
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For me, Price will get 2.5-3million for 3-4 years.
Plekanec, 4-4.5 million for 5 years


We have Mara who won't be here next year = 1.675 (1.800)
Jay Leach = 200 000
Metropolit = 1 000 000
MAB = 750 000

That is a total of: 3.625 millon.

If plekanec gets 4.5 thats a 1.750 bonus
If Price gets 3 million thats a .800 bonus

I guess we will be able to sign those two guys.

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11-21-2009, 11:07 AM
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2009-2010 cap hit 2010-2011 cap hit
Gomez 7.357 7.357
Cammalleri 6.000 6.000
Gionta 5.000 5.000
A.Kostitsyn 3.250 3.250
Plekanec 2.750 (4.500)
Laraque 1.500 1.500
Moen 1.500 1.500
Pacioretty 0.875 0.875
Metropolit 1.000 (Gone)
Latendresse 0.802 (0.800)
Pyatt 0.718 (0.850)
White 0.700 0.850
Lapierre 0.688 (0.800)
D'Agostini 0.500 (0.600)

D
Markov 5.750 5.750
Hamrlik 5.500 5.500
Spacek 3.888 3.888
Gill 2.250 2.250
Mara 1.675 (1.800)
Gorges 1.100 1.100
O'Byrne 0.942 0.942

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Price 2.200 (4.000)
Halak 0.775 1.000

TOTAL 56.833 59.500

- Our key players (Gomez, Cammalleri, Gionta) are locked for 5 years!
- Now, with Plekanec and Price free agents, they should have long term contract...lets say 4.5M/yr for 5 years for Plekanec and 4M/yr for 4 years for Price.
- Then, our best player, Markov, will be UFA, in two years...how much would he get, 6M? 7M?...let say 6.5M/yr for 4 years.
- If we make the total of these players : 33.357M for 6 players.
- ~25M for 16 players...thats pretty impossible.

Can the Habs keep everybody? What would guys do? Who would you keep? Who would you get rid of?
Trade Gill at the deadline this year, replace with 850k player next year. Leach can be the 7th this year, and we'll see for 2010-11. Saving $1.400M

Mara no raise or find another guy for same cost. Saving $125k

White and Pyatt will get what D'Agostini got this year + one-way= $500k each. Savings $700k

Trade Laraque at deadline, unless he retires. Keep Stewart at $500k to replace him. Savings $1.000M

Replace Metropolit with Sergei at $500k one-way. Loss $500k, necessary to get to 23 players on Cap.

Correct Pacioretty cap figure, loss $35K.

New total $56.810M virtually same as now.

However, I expect Cap to go up slightly, maybe to $60M.

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2009-2010 cap hit 2010-2011 cap hit
Gomez 7.357 7.357
Cammalleri 6.000 6.000
Gionta 5.000 5.000
A.Kostitsyn 3.250 3.250
Plekanec 2.750 (4.500)
Laraque 1.500 1.500
Moen 1.500 1.500
Pacioretty 0.875 0.875
Metropolit 1.000 (Gone)
Latendresse 0.802 (0.800)
Pyatt 0.718 (0.850)
White 0.700 0.850
Lapierre 0.688 (0.800)
D'Agostini 0.500 (0.600)

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Markov 5.750 5.750
Hamrlik 5.500 5.500
Spacek 3.888 3.888
Gill 2.250 2.250
Mara 1.675 (1.800)
Gorges 1.100 1.100
O'Byrne 0.942 0.942

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Price 2.200 (4.000)
Halak 0.775 1.000

TOTAL 56.833 59.500

- Our key players (Gomez, Cammalleri, Gionta) are locked for 5 years!
- Now, with Plekanec and Price free agents, they should have long term contract...lets say 4.5M/yr for 5 years for Plekanec and 4M/yr for 4 years for Price.
- Then, our best player, Markov, will be UFA, in two years...how much would he get, 6M? 7M?...let say 6.5M/yr for 4 years.
- If we make the total of these players : 33.357M for 6 players.
- ~25M for 16 players...thats pretty impossible.

Can the Habs keep everybody? What would guys do? Who would you keep? Who would you get rid of?
everytime I look at this

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Yes, we can afford to keep our players. There are enough contracts to be shed... Laraque, Metropolit, Gill, Spacek, Mara...

And enough young guys looking for a chance to prove they belong... White, Pyatt, Maxwell, Desharnais, D'Agostini, Stewart, Subban, Carle, Weber...

Sure we may lose some older guys we like such as Mara and Metro, but turnover is inevitable.

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everytime I look at this
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2009-2010 cap hit 2010-2011 cap hit
Gomez 7.357 7.357
Cammalleri 6.000 6.000
Gionta 5.000 5.000
A.Kostitsyn 3.250 3.250
Plekanec 2.750 (4.500)
Laraque 1.500 1.500
Moen 1.500 1.500
Pacioretty 0.875 0.875
Metropolit 1.000 (Gone)
Latendresse 0.802 (0.800)
Pyatt 0.718 (0.850)
White 0.700 0.850
Lapierre 0.688 (0.800)
D'Agostini 0.500 (0.600)

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Markov 5.750 5.750
Hamrlik 5.500 5.500
Spacek 3.888 3.888
Gill 2.250 2.250
Mara 1.675 (1.800)
Gorges 1.100 1.100
O'Byrne 0.942 0.942

G
Price 2.200 (4.000)
Halak 0.775 1.000

TOTAL 56.833 59.500

- Our key players (Gomez, Cammalleri, Gionta) are locked for 5 years!
- Now, with Plekanec and Price free agents, they should have long term contract...lets say 4.5M/yr for 5 years for Plekanec and 4M/yr for 4 years for Price.
- Then, our best player, Markov, will be UFA, in two years...how much would he get, 6M? 7M?...let say 6.5M/yr for 4 years.
- If we make the total of these players : 33.357M for 6 players.
- ~25M for 16 players...thats pretty impossible.

Can the Habs keep everybody? What would guys do? Who would you keep? Who would you get rid of?
I know!
He is on pace to get 41 points this season.
That is slightly under 180 000$ a point!!!

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Unlikely they can keep everybody, Gomez's contract is an albatross.

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Plekanec isn't going to be signed under 4M$ a year. It's probably going to cost between 4-5M a season for 3-4 years for him.
And that's where Gomez's contract hurts a lot.
As from Price, he already had a pretty generous rookie contract (MAX IIRC). So I'd assume it'll be a bit like A.K. Around 3M$ for 2-3 years. He's a RFA so his bargaining power is limited unlike Plekanec.

I assume Lats is going to be let go (unless he magically becomes good again), freeing maybe 250K.
Not resigning Metropolit would be a mistake at that price. I'd rather sacrifice Mara or Gill and Dags. At 1M, he's an awesome utility player. I could even see Lapierre go this summer if it wasn't for the fact he's a center.
Btw, Laraque is definitely getting bought out this summer. His injury troubles + his salary are a real pain.
Maybe Spacek will be on the block to free some cap. Harmlik's salary is high but his intangibles are far too high to trade him.

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For a team that will be so tight against the cap every couple of million helps.

I mean who else do you see gone instead of him?
You realize that if he's gone you still have to replace him on the roster. How much money are you going to save?

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Hopefully some inexpensive entry level contract guys can balance out larger salaries like Gomez. Speaking of Gomez, I love how L'Antichambre and L'Attaque a 5 always round up 7.3m to 8m, it's simple math, I've never heard of rounding up like that. Be honest, 7m is bad enough you don't have to lie and manipulate the numbers to make them look bad.

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Maybe AKost won't be here by the end of the year, that'll free up money.
So we'd have a 1 1/3 line team stuck in cap hell

In fact, a 1 1/3 line team with only one PPG player. You can't have just 4 top6 forwards unless one or two of them are superstars.


I think a realistic option, especially if the team is out of the playoffs at the deadline would be to trade away one of Spacek, Gill or even Hamrlik to a contender. With Markov in our weakness is definetely at forward, especially since we have rookie defensemen who are going to need roster spots next year but have no clear top6 forwards ready for NHL duty.

I also wish we had signed Gill 1 year and Mara 2 years.

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You realize that if he's gone you still have to replace him on the roster. How much money are you going to save?
You save 1mil by replacing him with a rookie such as Carle.

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Yes, we can afford to keep our players. There are enough contracts to be shed... Laraque, Metropolit, Gill, Spacek, Mara...

And enough young guys looking for a chance to prove they belong... White, Pyatt, Maxwell, Desharnais, D'Agostini, Stewart, Subban, Carle, Weber...

Sure we may lose some older guys we like such as Mara and Metro, but turnover is inevitable.
Pretty much agreed with the players you singled out. Gill, Spacek, Mara, while warriors, can easily be lost.

And I will add Gomez to this, whether we can get rid of him via trade or off waivers. Patrick "i'm not french!" Marleau is UFA next summer and he could be a solid option to have as center.

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Yes, we can afford to keep our players. There are enough contracts to be shed... Laraque, Metropolit, Gill, Spacek, Mara...

And enough young guys looking for a chance to prove they belong... White, Pyatt, Maxwell, Desharnais, D'Agostini, Stewart, Subban, Carle, Weber...

Sure we may lose some older guys we like such as Mara and Metro, but turnover is inevitable.
Why didnt they front load this contract? if they buy him out next yr hes going to cost 750 for the next 2 yrs

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