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11-22-2009, 11:14 AM
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So, when everybody's back

20+ games played, we got to see each individuals play a good amount of ice time. Unlike the start of the season (when everyone was healthy) we are now able to analyze and decid which should play with whom, as we know everybody's utility for the team, as well as their weakness and assets.

Here's my full lineup with everybody in:

Cammalleri - Plekanec - A. Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Moen - Metropolit - Pyatt
Lapierre - Chipchura - Latendresse
Extra: Laraque

Markov - Gorges
Hamrlik - Spacek
O'Byrne/Gill - Mara

Price
Halak

PP/1
Gionta - Gomez - Cammalleri
Markov - Spacek

PP/2
Metropolit - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Mara - Hamrlik

PK/1
Metropolit - Moen
Markov - Hamrlik

PK/2
Lapierre - Pyatt
O'Byrne - Gorges


edit: sorry for Camm- haha


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11-22-2009, 11:15 AM
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You forgot Cammalleri...

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Where's Cammalleri on the 5v5 lineup?

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11-22-2009, 11:16 AM
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Do a quick edit, you forgot Cammalleri in the full lineup

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20+ games played, we got to see each individuals play a good amount of ice time. Unlike the start of the season (when everyone was healthy) we are now able to analyze and decid which should play with whom, as we know everybody's utility for the team, as well as their weakness and assets.

Here's my full lineup with everybody in:

Pacioretty - Plekanec - A. Kostitsyn
Gionta - Gomez - D'Agostini

Moen - Metropolit - Pyatt
Lapierre - Chipchura - Latendresse
Extra: Laraque

Markov - Gorges
Hamrlik - Spacek
O'Byrne/Gill - Mara

Price
Halak

PP/1
Gionta - Gomez - Cammalleri
Markov - Spacek

PP/2
Metropolit - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Mara - Hamrlik

PK/1
Metropolit - Moen
Markov - Hamrlik

PK/2
Lapierre - Pyatt
O'Byrne - Gorges
Cammalleri is not in your top 2 lines?

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11-22-2009, 11:20 AM
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We only play him on the PP.

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11-22-2009, 11:23 AM
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Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Moen - Metropolit - D'Agostini
Latendresse - Lapierre - Laraque

Extra: Chipchura
Hamilton: Pyatt, White


Markov - Gorges
Hamrlik - Spacek
O'Byrne - Gill

Extra: Mara
Hamilton: Bergeron, Leach

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11-22-2009, 11:52 AM
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We have a logjam in our bottom-six.

Cammalleri - Gomez - Gionta
A Kost - Plekanec - ????

Latendresse, D'Agostini, Chipchura, Stewart, Pacioretty, Lapierre, Laraque, Metropolit, Moen, Pyatt, White... That's FOUR extra (and don't forget S Kost).

Pyatt, White and Pacioretty have 2-way deals. Laraque can easily be placed on LTIR. That leaves. D'Agostini, Stewart, Chipchura, Latendresse, Lapierre, Metropolit and Moen for SIX positions.

Though I'd prefer Patches in the AHL if he doesn't REALLY pick up and perform better. I'm not a fan of D'Agostini at all, I think he's detrimental to our on-ice product actually. Latendresse is an enigma, he HAS GOT TO pick it up or he'll be a permanent scratch. Stewart is an enigma as well, I don't think he'll play much.

But don't forget the extra 2 men on D

Markov, Hamrlik, Spacek, Gorges, Gill, Mara, O'Byrne and Bergeron.

Knowing Gainey as well as we do, we can assume that he won't allow his FA signings to be scratched (Gill and Mara - who don't deserve to be scratched anyway). Markov, Hamr and Spacek are safe. O'Byrne is a wildcard and Bergeron is Bergeron. Given the D-Men we have I think the following is the most likely to happen.

Markov - Gill,
Hamrlik - Spacek
Gill - Gorges/Mara
O'Byrne - Gorges/Mara

With Markov, Hamrlik and Spacek being leaned on for ~20min a game each and the two sparkplugs Gorges and Mara alternating with the landbeasts O'Byrne and Gill.

However with 7 dressed D-men we have to drop a player from the 12forwards. I think the following happens:

AKost - Plek - SKost/Pacioretty
Cam - Gomez - Gio
Moen - Laps - Metro
Pyatt/D'Agostini - Gomez/Lapierre/Metro - Stewart/Latendresse/Pacioretty

With Gomez/Lapierre/Metro double-shifting, because Pleks will play 20min. And THREE of SIX dressed: SKost, Pyatt, Stewart, D'Agostini, Latendresse and Pacioretty.

Final:

AKost - Plek - SKost/Pacioretty
Cam - Gomez - Gio
Moen - Laps - Metro
Pyatt/D'Agostini - Gomez/Lapierre/Metro - Stewart/Latendresse/Pacioretty



Markov - Gill/Gorges/Mara,
Hamrlik - Spacek
Gill - Gorges/Mara
O'Byrne - Gorges/Mara

Price
Halak


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11-22-2009, 12:01 PM
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Camalleri-Plekanec-A.kost
Patch-Gomez-Gionta
Moen-Metropolit-Pyatt
Lats-Laps-MAB


Markov-Spacek
Hamrlik-Mara
Gorges-Gill/O'byrne


Price
Halak

1st PP

Camalleri-Plekanec-A.kost
Markov-MAB

MAB as the best shot from the point and wih markov in the line up, we have to use that asset in the team.

2 PP
Metropolit-Gomez-Gionta
Hamrlik-Spacek

1st PK
Plekanec-Gionta
Markov-Spacek

2 PK
Moen-Metropolit
Gill-Gorges

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I agree with the first post... where we have Chipper on the 4th line centering Lapierre and Latendresse... Chipchura is a better face-off taker and he really is good defensively.

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11-22-2009, 12:17 PM
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I'll take a crack at it.

Cammalleri-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Moen-Metropolit-D'Agostini
Latendresse-Pyatt-Lapierre

EX: Laraque

Markov-O'Byrne
Hamrlik-Spacek
Mara-Gorges
EX: Gill

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11-22-2009, 01:53 PM
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I think the day our whole team is healthy we should just stop playing.. to not ruin it

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11-22-2009, 01:57 PM
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Cammalleri-Plekanec-Kostitsyn need to stay
even if Kostitsyn is the worst top6 passer according to some posters

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11-22-2009, 02:08 PM
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We have a logjam in our bottom-six.


Pyatt, White and Pacioretty have 2-way deals. Laraque can easily be placed on LTIR. That leaves. D'Agostini, Stewart, Chipchura, Latendresse, Lapierre, Metropolit and Moen for SIX positions.

Though I'd prefer Patches in the AHL if he doesn't REALLY pick up and perform better.

I'm not a fan of D'Agostini at all, I think he's detrimental to our on-ice product actually.

Latendresse is an enigma, he HAS GOT TO pick it up or he'll be a permanent scratch.

Stewart is an enigma as well, I don't think he'll play much.

However with 7 dressed D-men we have to drop a player from the 12 forwards. .

Final:

AKost - Plek - SKost/Pacioretty
Cam - Gomez - Gio
Moen - Laps - Metro
Pyatt/D'Agostini - Gomez/Lapierre/Metro - Stewart/Latendresse/Pacioretty



Markov - Gill/Gorges/Mara,
Hamrlik - Spacek
Gill - Gorges/Mara
O'Byrne - Gorges/Mara

Price
Halak
ROFLMAO!

Max Lapierre, unable to convince his boss that he is worth playing a full SINGLE shift (say 12 minutes per game), comes HERE to convince online posters that the Habs should/will play 7 defencemen (MAB not even being one of them!!!) in order that the Centremen get double shifts and of course Max is one of those centremen.

Notice also that he has a negative word to say about virtually all the other players on his team actually competing for icetime with him.

Nice, but I don't think his boss is listening here.

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11-22-2009, 02:20 PM
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Trying to optimize the different roles a team needs played:

Plekanec-Kostitsyn-Cammalleri
Gomez-Gionta-Pacioretty
Pyatt-Lapierre-Moen
Metropolit-d'Agostini-Bergeron

O'Byrne-Markov
Gorges-Hamrlik
Mara-Spacek


Spares: Latendresse, Gill, Leach
Trade soon: Chipchura
Waive: Stewart, Laraque
AHL: White (only until logjam cleared, he deserves to be here, latest next year)

Consider trading Gill at deadline if the season appears compromised. Leach can be 7th D, in fact he did not hurt us at all while playing 6th.

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ROFLMAO!

Max Lapierre, unable to convince his boss that he is worth playing a full SINGLE shift (say 12 minutes per game), comes HERE to convince online posters that the Habs should/will play 7 defencemen (MAB not even being one of them!!!) in order that the Centremen get double shifts and of course Max is one of those centremen.

Notice also that he has a negative word to say about virtually all the other players on his team actually competing for icetime with him.

Nice, but I don't think his boss is listening here.
Every other lineup in this thread had Lapierre on it. Maybe you should take off your hater-goggles and re-read my GOD DAMNED POST. Christ almighty.

Lapierre doesn't deserve to be double shifted, I was just offering MY OPINION of the most effective option around our fringe-player situation. Why in God's name would you want MAB to be one of the extra players? Over whom -or could it be over the players I called out, Patches/D'Ago/Lats/Stewart-?


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Every other lineup in this thread had Lapierre on it. Maybe you should take off your hater-goggles and re-read my GOD DAMNED POST. Christ almighty.

Lapierre doesn't deserve to be double shifted, I was just offering MY OPINION of the most effective option around our fringe-player situation. Why in God's name would you want MAB to be one of the extra players? Over whom -or could it be over the players I called out, Patches/D'Ago/Lats/Stewart-?

The facepalm goes to the poster who thinks that Max Lapierre deserves some double shifts.

I have no problem with him being in the lineup for as many minutes as he deserves (right now that's less than 10) but DOUBLE shifts?

Why did I mention MAB? Because playing 7 defencemen might be the only way to get MAB's PP contribution without his defensive lapses behind the blueline. IOW, play him like Streit was played, up front. He has better wheels than Streit and a great shot. He could chip in occasionally on a fourth line, and make his main contribution on the PP.

OTOH, if I saw Spacek or Mara able to play the trigger role better than they have to date, maybe we won't need MAB. For now, I think we still do, at least until Subban or Weber or Carle prove they can help carry a PP in the NHL.

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A Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Cammalleri
S Kostitsyn - Gomez - Gionta
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Moen
Pyatt - Lapierre - D'agostini
Latendresse, Laraque

Markov - O'byrne
Hamrlik - Spacek
Mara - Gorges
Gill

I really think Gill needs to be in the lineup, he is killer on the pk.
But who sits?

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Here is my line-up with everyone healthy, and I'm adding Sergei because, well, because he's gonna get called up.

Camm-Gomez-Gionta
AK46-Pleks-SK74
Patches-Metro-Moen
Lats-Chips-D'Agostini
Extras: Lapierre, Laraque, Pyatt

Markov-O'Byrne
Hamrlik-Spacek
Mara-Gorges
Extras: Gill, MAB

Explanations:

First line has to stay together. The Pleks-AK-Camm line looked great together last night, but I still think we keep the original three. Adding Sergei to the second line will be excellent, and this is a very legit second line. The third line I love, because they have played very well together this year. The fourth line is more than solid: we have a guy who is fantastic on faceoffs, a big guy who can screen the net, and a sniper. I put Lapierre on the bench, because he has been useless. Keep Pyatt up instead on Stewart. Defense is self-explanatory. This really isn't a bad squad...

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Here is my line-up with everyone healthy, and I'm adding Sergei because, well, because he's gonna get called up.

Camm-Gomez-Gionta
AK46-Pleks-SK74
Patches-Metro-Moen
Lats-Chips-D'Agostini
Extras: Lapierre, Laraque, Pyatt



The fourth line is more than solid: we have a guy who is fantastic on faceoffs, a big guy who can screen the net, and a sniper. I put Lapierre on the bench, because he has been useless. Keep Pyatt up instead on Stewart. Defense is self-explanatory. This really isn't a bad squad...

Chipchura is totally NOT fanatastic on faceoffs, he is actually pretty horrid. Two years ago, his repeated failures there cost him the 4th line centre job. It's not much better today.

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I was under the impression that this season, statistically, he was our best? I could be completely wrong, and if I am, sub in Lapierre.

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I'll take a crack at it.

Cammalleri-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Moen-Metropolit-D'Agostini
Latendresse-Pyatt-Lapierre

EX: Laraque

Markov-O'Byrne
Hamrlik-Spacek
Mara-Gorges
EX: Gill

Price
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Close to what I am thinking. However, I have a couple of changes to it.

Cammalleri-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Moen-Metropolit-Lapierre
D'Agostini/Latandresse-Pyatt-White

If this team can get another top six forward and get healthy, we would be in a very good position going forward.

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Cammer-Pleks-AK
MaxPac-Gomer-Gio
Moen-Metrops-D'Ags
Lats-Pyatt-Lappy

Markov-Gorges
Hamrlik-Spacek
Mara-O'Byrne

Extras: Chip, Laraque, Stewart, Gill

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Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Pyatt - Metropolit - Moen
Latendresse - Lapierre - D'Agostini

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Spacek
Gorges - Mara

A healthy D looks very solid, and Gainey might be praised for his signings as opposed to being bashed for signing only left shooting D.

I'm wondering if the third line would be able to shut down opposing teams' first line.

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What about SK? He has to be back soon...

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