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11-17-2009, 01:08 PM
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The team's been playing well and winning some games. That comes before giving Tambellini a "chance".
And that's probably all it is. Why mess with a good thing?

Agreed that theoretically, I'd like to see Tambs in ahead of Mr. Sim but there's not excuse at the moment for playing him over anyone else who's actually been getting it done on the ice (and I mean this from a team performance perspective and not an individual one.)

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11-17-2009, 02:42 PM
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Pretty much, I see the lineup staying the same till we lose a few.
I agree, as well, you can't break up a good thing. Sim is the least talented Islander but he gives us a real agitator and winning teams have that kind of player, he is a pest. Tambo is a great offensive player, but I also feel that without Doug Weight micromanaging him out there... he would see a drop off. Weight has made Tambo look very good.

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11-17-2009, 11:05 PM
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Tamby should watch some video and play of Moulson, then maybe he might stay in the lineup.

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11-21-2009, 02:01 PM
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we were doin fine wit tambs in the lineup. after he scored the hattrick he was playin great and the team was playin good. so like u guys say how do u change something thats workin.. lets ask gordan

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11-21-2009, 02:05 PM
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I was thinking of starting a Tambo thread, good call digging one up. I seriously think the ball was dropped hard on this one. I for one definitely feel that he earned his spot on the ice.

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11-21-2009, 02:31 PM
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I was thinking of starting a Tambo thread, good call digging one up. I seriously think the ball was dropped hard on this one. I for one definitely feel that he earned his spot on the ice.
Yeah, I know it's not a popular opinion here, but I too think he at least deserves a spot on this team. Comeau hasn't really showed anything thus far. He isn't physical enough, nor is he strong enough on the puck to be an effective fourth liner. Tambs seemed to be getting better without the puck. Not perfect, but better. All the Isles lines have a playmaker, sniper, and grinder on each line. The only line that's missing this is the fourth line. Putting Tambs on the fourth line would give us more of a scoring threat from that line without sacrificing much in terms of defense. Just my opinion, I'm sure many would disagree.

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11-21-2009, 04:23 PM
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I was thinking of starting a Tambo thread, good call digging one up. I seriously think the ball was dropped hard on this one. I for one definitely feel that he earned his spot on the ice.
Keep in mind that a coach looks at his team and player(s) differently than you or I.

Tambellini is in competition for top 6 or top 9 forward minutes. (He is of absolutely no value on a fourth line, at least an NHL fourth line, where offense is the last priority.)

And, in order to be a top 9 forward, you have to have the coach's supreme confidence 5 on 5. Others here have pointed out his occasional mistakes in this regard. Perhaps the coach sees them as more pronounced.

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11-21-2009, 04:59 PM
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I had dropped this in the game day thread before I saw this thread resurrected.


Gordon has benched Tambellini for about 4-5 games to "send a message", but won't scratch a player who made a bad play and give Tambellini a 2'nd chance. Power play and shoot-outs not working? Tambellni has 3 PP goals in 16:46 of PP time. Others ....
Tavaras 4 in 95 minutes.
Okposo 2 in 91 minutes
Moulson 2 in 70 minutes
Bailey 1 in 46 minutes
Hunter 1 in 28 minutes
All Remaining forwards 0 in 124 minutes
Tambellini's 3 in 17 minutes seems like a good PP missing spark

Shootouts:
Tambellni 2 for 3 66.7%
Rest of team 4 for 19 21.1%

Am I crazy or does Tambs seem like a good solution for what may be missing on the Pp and in Shoot outs?

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11-21-2009, 05:06 PM
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I had dropped this in the game day thread before I saw this thread resurrected.


Gordon has benched Tambellini for about 4-5 games to "send a message", but won't scratch a player who made a bad play and give Tambellini a 2'nd chance. Power play and shoot-outs not working? Tambellni has 3 PP goals in 16:46 of PP time. Others ....
Tavaras 4 in 95 minutes.
Okposo 2 in 91 minutes
Moulson 2 in 70 minutes
Bailey 1 in 46 minutes
Hunter 1 in 28 minutes
All Remaining forwards 0 in 124 minutes
Tambellini's 3 in 17 minutes seems like a good PP missing spark

Shootouts:
Tambellni 2 for 3 66.7%
Rest of team 4 for 19 21.1%

Am I crazy or does Tambs seem like a good solution for what may be missing on the Pp and in Shoot outs?
Sometimes coaches overthink or get the belief that decisions have to be complicated.
Kind of like a GM going off the board.
Your reasoning may be too logical if a coach thinks too hard.

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11-21-2009, 05:14 PM
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I had dropped this in the game day thread before I saw this thread resurrected.


Gordon has benched Tambellini for about 4-5 games to "send a message", but won't scratch a player who made a bad play and give Tambellini a 2'nd chance. Power play and shoot-outs not working? Tambellni has 3 PP goals in 16:46 of PP time. Others ....
Tavaras 4 in 95 minutes.
Okposo 2 in 91 minutes
Moulson 2 in 70 minutes
Bailey 1 in 46 minutes
Hunter 1 in 28 minutes
All Remaining forwards 0 in 124 minutes
Tambellini's 3 in 17 minutes seems like a good PP missing spark

Shootouts:
Tambellni 2 for 3 66.7%
Rest of team 4 for 19 21.1%

Am I crazy or does Tambs seem like a good solution for what may be missing on the Pp and in Shoot outs?
Guys like Moulsen,Okposo and Hunter bring a physical game to the pp unit that Tambellini doesn't.These guys repeatedly go hard to the front of the opposition net.I can see why Gordon has them on the pp.


I realize that Tambellini's a more skilled scorer then Hunter and Okposo,a better shoot out player,but haven't we seen a player have a strong game and be rewarded with a chance in the shootout?I think that's why those guys sometimes get called ahead of Tambellini in shoot outs.

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11-21-2009, 05:58 PM
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I had dropped this in the game day thread before I saw this thread resurrected.


Gordon has benched Tambellini for about 4-5 games to "send a message", but won't scratch a player who made a bad play and give Tambellini a 2'nd chance. Power play and shoot-outs not working? Tambellni has 3 PP goals in 16:46 of PP time. Others ....
Tavaras 4 in 95 minutes.
Okposo 2 in 91 minutes
Moulson 2 in 70 minutes
Bailey 1 in 46 minutes
Hunter 1 in 28 minutes
All Remaining forwards 0 in 124 minutes
Tambellini's 3 in 17 minutes seems like a good PP missing spark

Shootouts:
Tambellni 2 for 3 66.7%
Rest of team 4 for 19 21.1%

Am I crazy or does Tambs seem like a good solution for what may be missing on the Pp and in Shoot outs?
wow... interesting stats... There must be a reason Gordon does not like playing Tamby....

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11-21-2009, 07:53 PM
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yeah, also i kno this is a tambs thread, but what do you guys think of hunter. I think he can b a great player on another team but i just think gordans style is not for hunter. ive seen hunter carry the puck various times and the other team catches up to him from behind and just steals it from him. He is slower than a snail lol

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11-21-2009, 11:41 PM
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Gordon has benched Tambellini for about 4-5 games to "send a message"...
Has Gordon stated anywhere that he is trying to send a message to Tambellini? I haven't seen it. Perhaps the quote exists.

If it doesn't exist, then its simply a coach dressing those players who he believes give him the best chance to win. Fans can disagree.

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Am I crazy or does Tambs seem like a good solution for what may be missing on the Pp and in Shoot outs?
Crazy, no. But ignoring the very real point - this a recording - that players who do not impress an NHL coach with their 5 on 5 play do not get "rewarded" with the fun portions of the game. Just doesn't work that way in the Men's league, especially for 25 year olds who should get it by now. NYI needs players, not young speciaslists. That's likely why Tambellini sits. It's clearly why Boy Rob does.

And no offense intended toward anyone, but that's not a coach "thinking too much", either. It's a few fans thinking too little.

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11-22-2009, 10:47 AM
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Has Gordon stated anywhere that he is trying to send a message to Tambellini? I haven't seen it. Perhaps the quote exists.

If it doesn't exist, then its simply a coach dressing those players who he believes give him the best chance to win. Fans can disagree.
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Yeah, Gordon's first thought is to get the W,but I also think he's telling Tambellini to worker harder,hustle for loose pucks and go hard to the net.


http://www.newsday.com/blogs/sports/...eff+Tambellini
Tambellini tonight?
Saturday November 21, 2009 5:10 PM By Katie Strang

Tambellini knows there isn't much he can do at this point but to bide his time, work hard in practice, and wait for his opportunity to get back into the lineup and show what he can do.

Scott Gordon said he has sat Tambellini because the 25 year-old winger got away from the things that made him successful during previous stints this year.

"Going to the tough areas, winning puck battles, getting into shooting lanes," Gordon said of the details lacking from Tambellini lately."When you stop doing the little things and you don't score, what are your contributions?"

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11-22-2009, 02:00 PM
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Yeah, Gordon's first thought is to get the W,but I also think he's telling Tambellini to worker harder,hustle for loose pucks and go hard to the net.
Which makes perfect sense to me.

Fans see a guy score a goal, fans think he's the bestest, or immediately slot him into a specialization role (PP specialist! shootout specialist) in a game that requires every participant to contribute in multiple ways, often in one shift. Just on NYI, we now have multiple players who fans here have slotted in a PP specialists - Tambellini, Schremp. No coincidence that those "offensive dynamos" sit.

A coach looks for more. It should be noted that those Gordon observations about Tambellini discuss everything that LEADS up to a goal, a scoring chance. A nice wrister that looks pretty in skills competition is not hockey.

A coach's meritocracy system is based on significantly different values than that of fans, quite often.

I like Tambellini and wish he would get it together, as he could be an important piece of this team. But I trust the coach's judgement.


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11-22-2009, 03:12 PM
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As long as the team is winning, that's what matters the most. Personal statistics are irrelevant. I also agree that Tambo is penciled in as a hard worker and secondary scorer.

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11-22-2009, 03:21 PM
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A coach looks for more. It should be noted that those Gordon observations about Tambellini discuss everything that LEADS up to a goal, a scoring chance. A nice wrister that looks pretty in skills competition is not hockey.

A coach's meritocracy system is based on significantly different values than that of fans, quite often.

I like Tambellini and wish he would get it together, as he could be an important piece of this team. But I trust the coach's judgement.
Coach Gordon said exactly that (bolded) in a recent post game interview. He pointed out to Tambellini needing to be helping the team even when he's not scoring. The recent surge in points from Tambellini are clearly not enough for a full-time spot on the team.

Gordon also said that he's happy to work with the kids in helping them achieve consistency. But if they don't get it, and need to be continually told, they eventually will not be NHL players. The ones that stay in the NHL and have long careers are those who can achieve consistency without constant coaching and benching to "send messages".

Writing on the wall for guys like: Comeau, Bergy, Tamby, Schremp, etc

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