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11-22-2009, 06:32 PM
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He did last season and was terrible against DET.
I like how you neglect the last game that he played, in which he was simply outstanding.

Selective memory there.

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11-22-2009, 06:34 PM
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My Hawks are not in as tough of a cap bind as everyone seems to think. Trading away key, young pieces is not the solution. We can trade Campbell for a couple hot dogs and an ice cold Budweiser and solve all the problems and not noticeably degrade the team.
Please list all of the teams able to add $7m in money to their cap.

Once you have done that, please list all of the teams WILLING to add $7m to their cap.

Now list the teams willing and able to add $7 m to their cap who would be willing to do it for Brian Campbell.

Chicago may or may not have to deal some of their good players, but don't fool yourself into thinking there is going to be a market for your bad contracts.

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11-22-2009, 06:37 PM
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Funny how a nice string of 4 or 5 games can totally alter your perception of a player, huh?

There's a few reasons why the Hawks would make a deal like this. First being that they need to shed salary if they intend on retaining Toews, Kane, Keith, Ladd, etc. Secondly, bringing in Hiller (at a dirt cheap price) would allow them to move Huet -- again shedding salary. And to top it all off, Huet has been a disaster in his playoff career.
Huet is a top five goalie so far this year with numbers better than Luongo. And while I have no worries the Hawk's will sign their core players, the idea of a salary dump just to dump a contract isnt gonna happen when they can throw a Barker out there and get more than a back up goalie for him.

Show me where Hiller has better numbers than Huet, you can't because he doesnt.


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11-22-2009, 06:40 PM
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Huet is a top five goalie so far this year with numbers better than Luongo. And while I have no worries the Hawk's will sign their core players, the idea of a salary dump just to dump a contract isnt gonna happen when they can throw a Barker out there and get more than a back up goalie for him.

Show me where Hiller has better numbers than Huet, you can't because he doesnt.


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I like Huet and all, I'm a huge homer of his, but he's not top 5 this year. He's approaching top 10 territory the way he's playing though.

Don't try and talk to these haters anyway, they have their mind set Huet is destined for failure.

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Huet is a top five goalie so far this year with numbers better than Luongo. And while I have no worries the Hawk's will sign their core players, the idea of a salary dump just to dump a contract isnt gonna happen when they can throw a Barker out there and get more than a back up goalie for him.

Show me where Hiller has better numbers than Huet, you can't because he doesnt.


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Hiller>Huet last playoffs and he makes less than the great Brent Sopel. No one would trade for Huet or Campbell's contracts, period.

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11-22-2009, 06:46 PM
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He did last season and was terrible against DET.
Apparently you missed Game 5.

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11-22-2009, 06:47 PM
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Apparently you missed Game 5.
That's what I was saying. Selectively bringing up certain moments and of the past while ignoring others that might negate what you're saying is a big thing here on HF.

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11-22-2009, 06:48 PM
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Hiller>Huet last playoffs and he makes less than the great Brent Sopel. No one would trade for Huet or Campbell's contracts, period.
Who said anything about trading Campbell or Huet?

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Funny how a nice string of 4 or 5 games can totally alter your perception of a player, huh?

There's a few reasons why the Hawks would make a deal like this. First being that they need to shed salary if they intend on retaining Toews, Kane, Keith, Ladd, etc. Secondly, bringing in Hiller (at a dirt cheap price) would allow them to move Huet -- again shedding salary. And to top it all off, Huet has been a disaster in his playoff career.
1st) 4 or 5 games? I think you should see Huet's numbers since the lockout. They look a lot like his numbers do today.
2nd) Ask any caps fan how Huet did for them in the playoffs. he WAS the reason they made them in the 1st place and did a graet job of keeping games close once there.
3rd) Lets track Hillers last 4 or 5 seasons to make sure he is no flash in the pan ... oops can't.
4th) Hiller needs to be resigned at years end. Will be looking for big money while owning a pedigree no shinier than Huet's.
5th) You want the Hawks to give up a good young D prospect for a CHANCE at improving in goalie?
6th) You then want them to give up more assets to move a big contact or eat the dollars in the AHL.

Value wise the trade is fairly decent but you look only at your teams needs. Chicago has no need for Hiller.
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11-22-2009, 06:49 PM
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Who said anything about trading Campbell or Huet?
1 will have to go unless you give away Barker, Versteeg, or Sharp.

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11-22-2009, 06:50 PM
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I like Huet and all, I'm a huge homer of his, but he's not top 5 this year. He's approaching top 10 territory the way he's playing though.

Don't try and talk to these haters anyway, they have their mind set Huet is destined for failure.
Statisticly he is top five.

He doesnt have to be great with the team in front of him, but just pitch to the scoreboard on a team that can score at will. I have no worries about Huet.

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1 will have to go unless you give away Barker, Versteeg, or Sharp.
You are forgetting the great Brent Sopel. And Barker is more than likely a goner anyway.

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11-22-2009, 06:51 PM
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Statisticly he is top five.

He doesnt have to be great with the team in front of him, but just pitch to the scoreboard on a team that can score at will. I have no worries about Huet.
Neither do I, he'll be fine. He is top 3 in save percentage since the lockout too, something else that's overlooked here too *shhhh*.

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11-22-2009, 06:53 PM
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1 will have to go unless you give away Barker, Versteeg, or Sharp.
Why would they have to give away one of those three?

The return for any of those three will far out weigh the actual player traded, no matter how much the Hawks are over the cap.

Good young players dont grow on tree's, and just because other teams were fooled into dumping salary doesnt mean the Hawks will.

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11-22-2009, 06:57 PM
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Why would they have to give away one of those three?

The return for any of those three will far out weigh the actual player traded, no matter how much the Hawks are over the cap.

Good young players dont grow on tree's, and just because other teams were fooled into dumping salary doesnt mean the Hawks will.
Either way, Tallon messed up big time. He's going to have to move a big piece because he overpaid Huet and Campbell.

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11-22-2009, 07:05 PM
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Either way, Tallon messed up big time. He's going to have to move a big piece because he overpaid Huet and Campbell.
Doubtful.

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11-22-2009, 07:17 PM
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Yes I can see this happening because I'm sure Carlyle is working on his GM right now and the two of them are just salivating over the thought of having Pogge backing up Giguere

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Neither do I, he'll be fine. He is top 3 in save percentage since the lockout too, something else that's overlooked here too *shhhh*.
Huet SV% (post lockout): .9180
Hiller SV%: .9187
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Huet is a top five goalie so far this year with numbers better than Luongo. And while I have no worries the Hawk's will sign their core players, the idea of a salary dump just to dump a contract isnt gonna happen when they can throw a Barker out there and get more than a back up goalie for him.

Show me where Hiller has better numbers than Huet, you can't because he doesnt.


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Huet SV% (this season): .9086
Hiller SV%: .9091


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Huet SV%: .9180
Hiller SV%: .9187
Huet games played: 188, 180 starts
Hiller games played: 86, 72 starts

Just sayin...

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Huet games played: 188, 180 starts
Hiller games played: 86, 72 starts

Just sayin...
All you said was sv %, and how Huet was top 3. No mention of starts. So now you want to add extra qualifiers to make yourself right? I see how it works.

But I didn't rebut your claim properly. I should have named 3 goalies with a higher sv% since 05. And even pretending Hiller doesn't count, here's 3.
Vokoun: .9210
Thomas: .9184
Backstrom: .9216

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I am starting to wonder if Huetforvezina is Flapjack!

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Hiller is a nice goalie but he is not answer

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All you said was sv %, and how Huet was top 3. No mention of starts. So now you want to add extra qualifiers to make yourself right? I see how it works.

But I didn't rebut your claim properly. I should have named 3 goalies with a higher sv% since 05. And even pretending Hiller doesn't count, here's 3.
Vokoun: .9210
Thomas: .9184
Backstrom: .9216
sv% is rounded, so that would put those 3 and Huet at:

1) Backstrom
2) Vokoun
3) Thomas
T-3) Huet

They don't go to the 4th decimal for save percentage.

and there's a minimum number of games required I assume to be in this leaderboard anyway, and Hiller just hasn't played enough games, hence why I brought up GP.

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I think Brian Campbell should be brought up. :O Now fight to the death!

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He's been brutal in the playoffs and makes similar money to an elite goalie?
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He did last season and was terrible against DET.
First when Huet was traded from Montreal to Washington he was fantastic in the playoffs, only losing game seven by an exceptionally controversial goal many believe should have been called off. Furthermore when set to start against Detroit, that was Huet's first game in well exceeding a month. I concede Huet has horrible consistency however he deserves some leeway when he has barely saw ice and suddenly expected to hold at bay last year's Detroit Red Wings.

That said this is overall a fair trade however I cannot see Chicago or Anaheim dealing.

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