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11-22-2009, 04:40 PM
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What about SK? He has to be back soon...
Since he hasn't been called up yet I doubt that he ever will be.

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I agree with the first post... where we have Chipper on the 4th line centering Lapierre and Latendresse... Chipchura is a better face-off taker and he really is good defensively.
Not sure where you get that from, they have pretty much the same FO%, this season. 53.2 for Laps and 53.5 for Chips. Last year, it wasn't even close, Lapierre was our second best and Chipchura was by far the worst.

Chipchura is just too slow, not only skating, but in execution for this league. So he was team captain at World Juniors, let's move on.

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11-22-2009, 04:53 PM
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Trying to optimize the different roles a team needs played:

Plekanec-Kostitsyn-Cammalleri
Gomez-Gionta-Pacioretty
Pyatt-Lapierre-Moen
Metropolit-d'Agostini-Bergeron

O'Byrne-Markov
Gorges-Hamrlik
Mara-Spacek


Spares: Latendresse, Gill, Leach
Trade soon: Chipchura
Waive: Stewart, Laraque
AHL: White (only until logjam cleared, he deserves to be here, latest next year)

Consider trading Gill at deadline if the season appears compromised. Leach can be 7th D, in fact he did not hurt us at all while playing 6th.


that's a terrible line-up with no grit.

Here's mine

Cammalleri-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Moen-Metropolit-White
Latendresse-Lappierre-Laraque
spares: Pyatt, Stewart, D'Agostini

Markov-Mara
Hammer-Spacek
Gill/ O'Byrne-Georges

flip Spacek and Mara on the pp.

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11-22-2009, 05:02 PM
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that's a terrible line-up with no grit.

Here's mine

Cammalleri-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Moen-Metropolit-White
Latendresse-Lappierre-Laraque
spares: Pyatt, Stewart, D'Agostini

Markov-Mara
Hammer-Spacek
Gill/ O'Byrne-Georges

flip Spacek and Mara on the pp.

I don't know what you mean by grit. I don't even know if you know what you mean by grit.

Pyatt is miles better at battling the puck out of his own zone than the big oaf Latendresse. Grit determination, focus, active stick and feet, call it what you will, it is more effective than Guillaume's turn-my-back-and-put-the-puck-back-into-the-corner move. Laraque only punishes you if you accept an invitation to take a fightbreak in the middle of a hockey game, or if he is committing a foul. And you want to rotate O'Byrne, our hardest hitting defenceman, in and out of the lineup in favour of a guy with a two inch longer pokecheck.

Now, Bergeron in the lineup I admit is the softest guy we have, but he has a howitzer of a shot and good wheels. He will help the PP, especially once Markov comes back. At least I am not putting him on D.

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11-22-2009, 05:02 PM
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Here's mine

Cammalleri-Gomez-Gionta
Pacioretty-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Moen-Metropolit-White
Latendresse-Lappierre-Pyatt
spares: Laraque, Stewart, D'Agostini

Markov-Spacek
Hammer-Mara
Gill/ O'Byrne-Georges
Switched: Camm with Patches.
Spacek and Mara
Pyatt and Laraque

I like how Patches is working with Pleks and AK. Though, I think it can be interesting to see Patches with Gomez and Gio, with his current performances.
I know Spacek and Hamr have been playing an awesome duo. But I still like the idea of having Hamr and Markov together. Spacek being the trigger man at the blueline. I like Mara, but he doesn't have Spacek's shot.
Pyatt instead of Laraque, obvious imo. Though I may switch Pyatt on the 3rd line and White on the 4th. Considering Laps and Lats seem to like give checks, and so does White, i think it can be interesting.

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I don't know what you mean by grit. I don't even know if you know what you mean by grit.
Grit, sandpaper, roughness, toughness, get it? We would get killed by teams like Toronto, Ottawa, Philadelphia and Boston. No line-up is made with the 12 best offensive players, that's not how it works.

Just like Gill is not losing his spot on the team and neither is Latendresse, that's just common sence.

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11-22-2009, 09:15 PM
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Cammalleri - Plekanec - A. Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Moen - Metropolit - White
Pyatt- Lapierre - Latendresse
Extra: Laraque

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Spacek
Gorges - Mara
Gill

Price
Halak

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11-22-2009, 09:41 PM
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I don't know what you mean by grit. I don't even know if you know what you mean by grit.

Pyatt is miles better at battling the puck out of his own zone than the big oaf Latendresse. Grit determination, focus, active stick and feet, call it what you will, it is more effective than Guillaume's turn-my-back-and-put-the-puck-back-into-the-corner move. Laraque only punishes you if you accept an invitation to take a fightbreak in the middle of a hockey game, or if he is committing a foul. And you want to rotate O'Byrne, our hardest hitting defenceman, in and out of the lineup in favour of a guy with a two inch longer pokecheck.

Now, Bergeron in the lineup I admit is the softest guy we have, but he has a howitzer of a shot and good wheels. He will help the PP, especially once Markov comes back. At least I am not putting him on D.
No I agree with the other guy, you pretty much have the worst lineup so far lol. Why are all the dmen switched?? MAB is gone when the players get back. He has done nothing PP wise that impressed me besides his second game playing

Cammy - Pleks - Akost
Patches - gomez - Gio
Pyatt - Metro - Moen
Lats - Laps - White

Stewart, Chips.

Markov Mara
Hammer Gorges
Spacek OB

Gill

Price
Halak

PP unit 1

Cammy Pleks Gio
Markov Spacek

PP unit 2

Akos Gomez Metro
Hammer Mara

PK unit 1

Pleks Moen
Hammer Gorges

PK unit 2

Metro White
Markov Mara

(PK will vary as we have sooo many players who can PK)

Markov Mara is an experiment. I would try OByrne there first, but I dunno if he would be better or Mara. Either or, they would switch roles if one doesn't play well.

The second line needs someone better and stronger than Patches, but he would have to do for now.

Spacek will be more effective on the left side like he normally plays. We get a solid 3 lines who can all play, which will help our old dmen to play better for the rest of the season. We have 3 d who can play on the right... why not use them?

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11-22-2009, 09:44 PM
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Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
D'Agostini - Gomez - Gionta
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Moen
Pyatt - Chipchura - White
EX: Lapierre, Latendresse

Hamrlik - Spacek
Markov - O'Byrne
Gorges - Mara
EX: Gill

Price
Halak

GOALIES: Right now, Price is playing awesome. But this a revolving door for me with two youngsters. Either way, we are solid in net and I'm not that worried.

DEFENSE: Our defense has been pretty good, so good that Markov can play a few less ES minutes to start. Basically its like trading Bergeron for Markov. Gorges and Mara have been a good pairing and will now have less responsibility. O'Byrne has looked good in his two games back and will be paired witha franchise player. Hamrlik and Spacek have been nothing short of incredible together.

FORWARDS: D'Agostini is a sniper but before he went down to injury he was playing like a power forward by digging in corners, throwing hits, controlling the puck. His defensive game doesn't appear to be a liability anymore. Gomez needs to pick it up. The first line has all the tools. The third line has been proven very solid. I prefer Chipchura's positioning, grit, willingness to fight and stick up for teammates over what Lapierre has brought this year. White and Pyatt are playing to strong to justify sending them down.

This does leave us in a weird place though. Latendresse, Lapierre, Gill, and Bergeron = 1 too many extras. Personally, Gill may be tradable at the deadline and I'd look at that option purely because I don't want Gorges, O'Byrne, Markov, and Hamrlik. The other four were all UFA signings and Gill has the worst contract.
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11-22-2009, 09:51 PM
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FORWARDS: D'Agostini is a sniper but before he went down to injury he was playing like a power forward by digging in corners, throwing hits, controlling the puck. His defensive game doesn't appear to be a liability anymore.


Maybe when the drugs wear off that 16 year old girl avatar will dissapear with those crazy D'Agostini analysis.

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11-22-2009, 10:02 PM
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Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
D'Agostini - Gomez - Gionta
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Moen
Pyatt - Chipchura - White
EX: Lapierre, Latendresse

Hamrlik - Spacek
Markov - O'Byrne
Gorges - Mara
EX: Gill

Price
Halak

GOALIES: Right now, Price is playing awesome. But this a revolving door for me with two youngsters. Either way, we are solid in net and I'm not that worried.

DEFENSE: Our defense has been pretty good, so good that Markov can play a few less ES minutes to start. Basically its like trading Bergeron for Markov. Gorges and Mara have been a good pairing and will now have less responsibility. O'Byrne has looked good in his two games back and will be paired witha franchise player. Hamrlik and Spacek have been nothing short of incredible together.

FORWARDS: D'Agostini is a sniper but before he went down to injury he was playing like a power forward by digging in corners, throwing hits, controlling the puck. His defensive game doesn't appear to be a liability anymore. Gomez needs to pick it up. The first line has all the tools. The third line has been proven very solid. I prefer Chipchura's positioning, grit, willingness to fight and stick up for teammates over what Lapierre has brought this year. White and Pyatt are playing to strong to justify sending them down.

This does leave us in a weird place though. Latendresse, Lapierre, Gill, and Bergeron = 1 too many extras. Personally, Gill may be tradable at the deadline and I'd look at that option purely because I don't want Gorges, O'Byrne, Markov, and Hamrlik. The other four were all UFA signings and Gill has the worst contract.
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There is absolutely no reason to have D'Agostini ahead of any forward on the depth chart a this point. ... Well, except maybe Gregory Stewart.

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11-22-2009, 10:05 PM
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Maybe when the drugs wear off that 16 year old girl avatar will dissapear with those crazy D'Agostini analysis.
I have the games on DVD if you need to go back and watch them since your memory is failing you. Probably should head to the doctors office to make sure you're okay.
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Cammalleri - Plekanec - A. Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Moen - Metropolit - White
Pyatt- Lapierre - Latendresse
Extra: Laraque

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Spacek
Gorges - Mara
Gill

Price
Halak
We have a winner.
Cept my defense would look like this.
Markov-OB
Hamrlik-Mara
Spacek-Gorges
Gill/Carle/PK pending any trades.
And I truly expect Lats to make a comeback, so maybe switch him in with White, and work up from there. And I'd put D'ags as a 13th F.

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11-22-2009, 10:27 PM
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Here is my line-up with everyone healthy, and I'm adding Sergei because, well, because he's gonna get called up.

Camm-Gomez-Gionta
AK46-Pleks-SK74
Patches-Metro-Moen
Lats-Chips-D'Agostini
Extras: Lapierre, Laraque, Pyatt

Markov-O'Byrne
Hamrlik-Spacek
Mara-Gorges
Extras: Gill, MAB

Explanations:

First line has to stay together. The Pleks-AK-Camm line looked great together last night, but I still think we keep the original three. Adding Sergei to the second line will be excellent, and this is a very legit second line. The third line I love, because they have played very well together this year. The fourth line is more than solid: we have a guy who is fantastic on faceoffs, a big guy who can screen the net, and a sniper. I put Lapierre on the bench, because he has been useless. Keep Pyatt up instead on Stewart. Defense is self-explanatory. This really isn't a bad squad...
Replace D'Ago with Lappierre, and that's exactly what i'd like to see too, maybe Chips and Pyatt too...

Camm-Gomez-Gionta
AK46-Pleks-SK74
Patches-Metro-Moen
Lats-Pyatt-Lapierre
Extras: D'ago, Laraque, Chips

Markov-O'Byrne
Hamrlik-Spacek
Mara-Gorges
Extras: Gill, MAB

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Cammalleri - Plekanec - A Kostitsyn
S Kostitsyn - Gomez - Gionta
Latendresse - Metropolit - D'Agostini
Lapierre - Chipchura - Moen

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Georges
Spacek - Mara
Gill

Price
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Sharp - Gomez - Kostitsyn
Cammalleri - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Moen
Laraque - Pyatt - White
(Latendresse, Lapierre, Chipchura)

Markov - Mara
Hamrlik - Spacek
Gorges - O'Byrne
(Gill, Leach)

Price
Halak



P.S. I see Leach being a possible sleeper to crack the top 6. I just have a good feeling about him for some reason.

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We really need that other top-6 winger. However, maybe the solution lies internally...

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We really need that other top-6 winger. However, maybe the solution lies internally...
Sergei!!

Before the season starts, I was looking forward to see a full season with both of the Kostitsyn on the same line.

I still think we are a better team if we can call up Sergei now.

Cammalleri-Gomez-Gionta
S. Kostitsyn-Plekanec-A. Kostitsyn
Pacioretty-Lapierre-Latendresse (D'Agostini)
Pyatt-Metropolit-Moen

But honestly, like I said in the Sergei thread, now im pretty sure that Sergei will never gets call back.

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Cammalleri-Gomez-Gionta
Pacioretty-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Moen-Lapierre-Latendresse
Pyatt-Metropolit-D'Agostini

The first line was effective and we need them to be. Plekanec has been able to produce pretty much by himself, but I also thought that both Pacioretty and Kostitsyn were showing signs of life in the last week or two. This is my bid to get two productive lines. If it doesn't work then send Pacioretty to AHL and move Moen up to second. If still not working, switch Moen and Cammalleri.

On the bottom half, play Lapierre and Latendresse as much as they deserve, which might be 5 minutes or even a scratch. If clicking, Metro's line is good enough to play 12 minutes.

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I just love these armchair coaches that post their lines...

Okay, I'll play too:
1st: Shutt-P.Mahovlich-Lafleur
2nd: Damphousse-Turgeon-Recchi
3rd: Gainey-Jarvis-McPhee
4th: Laraque-Skrudland-Chartraw


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I'd go with...

Cammalleri - Plekanec - A. Kostitsyn
D'Agostini - Gomez - Gionta
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Moen
Pyatt/White - Lapierre - Latendresse

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Spacek
Gorges - Mara

Price
Halak

Press Box: Leach, Laraque, Chipchura

Gill moved for a pick, one of Pyatt or White sent down.

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Cammy Gomez Giona
Skos Pleks Akos
Patches Metro Moen
Pyatt Lappy White

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Spacek
Gorges - Mara

Price
Halak

...and theres a winning lineup!

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Mike Cammalleri-Tomas Plekanec-Andrei Kostitsyn
Max Pacioretty-Scott Gomez-Brian Gionta
Travis Moen-Glen Metropolit-Matt D'Agostini
Guillaume Latendresse-Maxim Lapierre-Laraque/Stewart
ex. Chipchura, Stewart
AHL - Pyatt, White

I'd love to keep White for the 4th line, but at this point we need to go with the guys that don't have to clear waivers. I'm optimistic that Stewart's stint in the AHL will help him get his game shape back.

BGL has no business being in the lineup when we are not playing Boston/TO/Ottawa or other teams that do not dress goons. He is a clear liability out there.

Andrei Markov-Ryan O'Byrne
Roman Hamrlik-Jaroslav Spacek
Josh Gorges-Paul Mara
ex. Hal Gill
AHL - Bergeron, Leach


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Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Pyatt - Metropolit - Moen
Latendresse - Lapierre - D'Agostini

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Spacek
Gorges - Mara

A healthy D looks very solid, and Gainey might be praised for his signings as opposed to being bashed for signing only left shooting D.

I'm wondering if the third line would be able to shut down opposing teams' first line.
I like your lineup with with this change if SK74 comes back from his lengthy purgatory.

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
SK74 - Gomez - Gionta
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Moen
Latendresse - Lapierre - D'Agostini

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Spacek
Mara - Gorges

Patches is not enough of a finisher right now to play on that line.
Gorges actually plays better on the right side.
Who knows about Sergei... but he could really help.

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