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11-23-2009, 07:35 PM
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Sergei Gaiduchenko: I have a chance to move on as Florida drafted me

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"What are your plans for the future? Where would you like to play?

I'd like to move and I got a chance, as Florida drafted me. But first I want to stay in Russia to consolidate, play one or, better, two seasons playing a bigger quantity of games and then go there, just the same way as Semen Varlamov did."
Full article here: http://www.russianprospects.com/publ...article_id=681

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Wow we could be stacked in goal for years to come.

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How is he looking over there?

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Markstrom, Salak, Cheverie, Gayduchenko, Plante.....you too Foster! We are set in goal for next decade.

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That's an impressive road ahead!

And to think that Salak was the surprise that no one saw coming.

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Why did we sign Clemmensen for 3 years, again?

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Yea that makes no sense at all. It's not like backup goalies are hard to find these days. Just have to hope that Sexton knows something the rest of us do not.

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Yea that makes no sense at all. It's not like backup goalies are hard to find these days. Just have to hope that Sexton knows something the rest of us do not.
Let's just say he doesn't have a good track record in that regard so far.

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Yea that makes no sense at all. It's not like backup goalies are hard to find these days. Just have to hope that Sexton knows something the rest of us do not.
I think a lot of things were factored in when deciding to sign him including:

1. Vokoun struggled for long stretches last yr where Anderson was relied upon fully
2. Rumors of possibly trading Vokoun this past summer
3. Clemmensen played well as a starter when Brodeur went down last yr (thought process was probably if Vokoun struggles or gets traded, he could handle the job as a 1B starter).
4. No one knew if Salak would so quickly adapt to the North American style and succeed so much in the AHL
5. And while everyone believes that Markstrom is close to NHL-ready, I think the team may want him to play a season in the AHL just like Salak.
6. Backups with a history of starting for long stretches like Clemmensen are very tradeable (especially at his salary) if a playoff team loses their starter long-term during a season (heck if Alex Auld can net a return of a pick, so can Clemmensen).

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Markstrom, Salak, Cheverie, Gayduchenko, Plante.....you too Foster! We are set in goal for next decade.
If management really feels this way. I trade Gaydu or Chev at the deadline to a team looking to rebuild with no good goaltending in the farm for a proven scorer. Ideally (based on where people should be) I feel like we need either a top line center or winger. Weiss is a fringe 1st liner (lets be honest) and who knows if booth will return to form. Its easily for a good line to hide one guys shortcomings, but Booth-Weiss-Horton (unless Booth returns to full form) is still not a legit 1st line for a playoff team.

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If management really feels this way. I trade Gaydu or Chev at the deadline to a team looking to rebuild with no good goaltending in the farm for a proven scorer. Ideally (based on where people should be) I feel like we need either a top line center or winger. Weiss is a fringe 1st liner (lets be honest) and who knows if booth will return to form. Its easily for a good line to hide one guys shortcomings, but Booth-Weiss-Horton (unless Booth returns to full form) is still not a legit 1st line for a playoff team.
Better to manage those assets like San Jose did - let the goalies make it to the NHL, impress people, then trade the lesser of your two NHL goalies while his value's at a high point. Then rinse and repeat each season

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Better to manage those assets like San Jose did - let the goalies make it to the NHL, impress people, then trade the lesser of your two NHL goalies while his value's at a high point. Then rinse and repeat each season
Don't you really mean the more expensive of your two goalies and then rinse and repeat? I seem to remember someone advocating that.

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Keep two and trade the rests for equal offensive prospects. Might be able to snag something from teams with too many quality forwards like Philly or Chicago. This is, imo, the best thing to happen to our prospect pool in quite some time.

Although Markstrom is probably untouchable, there could always be a team out there who is willing to trade an elite forward for him. Again, think Chicago or Philly.


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Better to manage those assets like San Jose did - let the goalies make it to the NHL, impress people, then trade the lesser of your two NHL goalies while his value's at a high point. Then rinse and repeat each season
Agreed. What did they get for Kipper and Toskala?

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Don't you really mean the more expensive of your two goalies and then rinse and repeat? I seem to remember someone advocating that.
Nabokov makes more than Toskala. They kept Nabokov.

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Yeah, I'm real sure San Jose has watched Toskala play in TO and said they made a mistake in who they decided to keep.

Keep the best goalie, live with GP griping about his pay, hope he somehow understands that goalies aren't a "necessary eveil," they're an incredibly necessary component to a hockey team. though, we all know he won't, because his stance is...(Don't want to get points )

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You keep them all. Markstrom is untouchable, Salak is the backup plan to Markstrom (like Neuvirth is to Varlamov in washington). You keep him. Gayduchenko has pointless trade value, you keep him in Europe and see what happens. His development path will not collide with either Markstrom or Salak. You keep Foster and Cheverie, let them finish college, then let them compete for an AHL spot, whoever wins out continues to havr a future in the organization, the other proves himself that he isn't a prospect of much pro potential. Plante you probably move, if there is a market, which right now, i doubt there is one.

Simply put, trading away goalie prospects is not a clever idea. Its always wise to have a big stable of good G prospects, and see what unfolds. The majority will fail, allowing hopefully one or two to rise and prove NHL capable. In ten years time, out of the goaltending prospect stable we have, its highly likely only one or max two of them prove NHL capable.

The good thing about the Goalie situation is, we have one blue chipper, one excellent AHL goalies and a few diamonds in the rough. The diamonds in the rough are in an environment which allows them to take time to develop, whilst not colliding with any of your more "mainstream" goalie prospects.

This is the advantage of drafting European and college bound goaltenders (in the later rounds). You have far more time to decide what to do with them, and the issue of playing time in the AHL does not arise when they are 19/20.

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Agreed. What did they get for Kipper and Toskala?
a 2nd for Kipper and a first for Toskala.

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You keep them all. Markstrom is untouchable, Salak is the backup plan to Markstrom (like Neuvirth is to Varlamov in washington). You keep him. Gayduchenko has pointless trade value, you keep him in Europe and see what happens. His development path will not collide with either Markstrom or Salak. You keep Foster and Cheverie, let them finish college, then let them compete for an AHL spot, whoever wins out continues to havr a future in the organization, the other proves himself that he isn't a prospect of much pro potential. Plante you probably move, if there is a market, which right now, i doubt there is one.

Simply put, trading away goalie prospects is not a clever idea. Its always wise to have a big stable of good G prospects, and see what unfolds. The majority will fail, allowing hopefully one or two to rise and prove NHL capable. In ten years time, out of the goaltending prospect stable we have, its highly likely only one or max two of them prove NHL capable.

The good thing about the Goalie situation is, we have one blue chipper, one excellent AHL goalies and a few diamonds in the rough. The diamonds in the rough are in an environment which allows them to take time to develop, whilst not colliding with any of your more "mainstream" goalie prospects.

This is the advantage of drafting European and college bound goaltenders (in the later rounds). You have far more time to decide what to do with them, and the issue of playing time in the AHL does not arise when they are 19/20.
I agree. Markstrom is a stud and Salak has shown a lot. However, the rest of the group has marginal trade value at best.

Its nice to see Gayduchenko do well, but being in Russia combined with being a just a decent prospect make his trade value very low, and probably not worth moving.

IMO, the college guys aren't anything special. After they graduate we can give them a shot in the AHL and see how they do, but I doubt we'll be able to get anything significant for them in a trade.

Plante is just AHL depth right now. Teams can pick up Plante types off the free agents in the offseason. I honestly don't know if the team would even re-sign Plante if we have Vokoun/Clemmensen/Salak/Markstrom over here. If Vokoun or Clemmensen are moved and if Plante plays well the rest of the season then he'll probably get a new contract to back up Salak or Markstrom in the AHL.

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You keep them all. Markstrom is untouchable, Salak is the backup plan to Markstrom (like Neuvirth is to Varlamov in washington). You keep him. Gayduchenko has pointless trade value, you keep him in Europe and see what happens. His development path will not collide with either Markstrom or Salak. You keep Foster and Cheverie, let them finish college, then let them compete for an AHL spot, whoever wins out continues to havr a future in the organization, the other proves himself that he isn't a prospect of much pro potential. Plante you probably move, if there is a market, which right now, i doubt there is one.

Simply put, trading away goalie prospects is not a clever idea. Its always wise to have a big stable of good G prospects, and see what unfolds. The majority will fail, allowing hopefully one or two to rise and prove NHL capable. In ten years time, out of the goaltending prospect stable we have, its highly likely only one or max two of them prove NHL capable.

The good thing about the Goalie situation is, we have one blue chipper, one excellent AHL goalies and a few diamonds in the rough. The diamonds in the rough are in an environment which allows them to take time to develop, whilst not colliding with any of your more "mainstream" goalie prospects.

This is the advantage of drafting European and college bound goaltenders (in the later rounds). You have far more time to decide what to do with them, and the issue of playing time in the AHL does not arise when they are 19/20.
Well said. With T-Vo and Clemmer in goal now, Markstrom and Salak get time to develop in the AHL. By next year, it's probable that one of TV or SC will be traded and that either Markstrom or Salak will be the backup.

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I agree with J17. Keep them all for now and if they all somehow pan out then you move some of them.

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i don't see any team trading for clemmensen. his contract is too long and he's only played one good game. he also trashed his teamates and the org. after the caps loss. unless he plays really well in all his starts no team will touch him. same with koistenen.

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a 2nd for Kipper and a first for Toskala.
Thanks. Decent return for those two.

So far as J17ster's comments on the subject, Acadmus pretty much said the same, which I agree with. Don't make any sudden moves now, that is dumb, but see how they all do in the show.

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