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11-24-2009, 11:00 AM
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Toronto seems like the best fit for him, especially if the Leafs are going to miss out on Taylor Hall. Not to mention he's American and has played with Kessel.

Tlusty, Grabovski, Kulemin, Ponikarovsky and even White are all guys I could see Burke moving.
Poni & Kulemin for Mueller?

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11-24-2009, 11:18 AM
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Mueller would make us look like fools if he played with the Sedins. Currently right now, Yandle is stepping up his game big time and showing limitless potential with our top 3 D being down right now. Hansen and Edler doesn't even get you Keith.
Hansen and Edler don't get us Yandle I wouldn't trade Edler for Muller and Yandle.He's a future number 1 defenceman.

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11-24-2009, 12:03 PM
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Mueller to Toronto does make a lot of sense , considering he has played with Kessel and the horrible start to the season that Peter is having. I think that Tlusty and White would have to be involved in some aspect , and I can't see Phoenix having any interest in really any other players on the Leafs besides Kaberle of course.

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11-24-2009, 12:46 PM
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Mueller to Toronto does make a lot of sense , considering he has played with Kessel and the horrible start to the season that Peter is having. I think that Tlusty and White would have to be involved in some aspect , and I can't see Phoenix having any interest in really any other players on the Leafs besides Kaberle of course.
i would have to think pretty hard about this. despite tlusty's potential and upside i get the impression that burke has a preference for his own players/prospects. i could easily see tlusty getting traded and in a deal around mueller is about as good a return as you can hope (and he plays center). im not sure if i can see burke trading white though, burke/wilson seem pretty high on him. tlusty was 13th overall and mueller was 8th. im not sure if the difference in talent/ability/potential between tlusty and mueller is white. maybe something like mueller and a 2nd or 3rd for tlusty and white could work?

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11-24-2009, 12:53 PM
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i would have to think pretty hard about this. despite tlusty's potential and upside i get the impression that burke has a preference for his own players/prospects. i could easily see tlusty getting traded and in a deal around mueller is about as good a return as you can hope (and he plays center). im not sure if i can see burke trading white though, burke/wilson seem pretty high on him. tlusty was 13th overall and mueller was 8th. im not sure if the difference in talent/ability/potential between tlusty and mueller is white. maybe something like mueller and a 2nd or 3rd for tlusty and white could work?
I wouldn't be too torn on the White issue, as I don't believe Phoenix would have a whole lot of interest in him, anyhow. It's not that he's not a quality player, or anything like that. I like White. It's just that once our blueline gets healthy, we'll have seven NHL defensemen that all deserve to play every night. Adding an eighth is just too much. Especially since we can't afford to pay NHL salaries to players in the AHL. Good value, poor fit, kind of thing. Of course, I could be wrong.

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11-24-2009, 12:55 PM
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Does phx really need another offensive dman? Yandle, Lepisto and even Jovo are all pretty capable

If they need D help Exelby makes more sense, an expiring dman that plays a physical game and is a nice depth guy to add.

Tlusty, Stajan or Mitchell, and Exelby for Mueller type deal

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11-24-2009, 01:01 PM
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Keep in mind that Mueller is going to make only eight hundred and fifty kay, this season. The Coyotes are broke. They aren't going to be taking back additional millions of dollars in salary.

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11-24-2009, 01:02 PM
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I think two fair deals would be:

1) Ponikarovsky and Tlusty for Mueller
-Phoenix gets a proven player (albeit a UFA) and a prospect who was drafted only a few spots behind Mueller.

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2) Grabovski for Mueller
-Both players are ~20 goal/~50 point players, but I suspect Burke would rather have Mueller than Grabovski (I still think he prefers North Americans over Europeans)

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11-24-2009, 01:18 PM
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I think two fair deals would be:

1) Ponikarovsky and Tlusty for Mueller
-Phoenix gets a proven player (albeit a UFA) and a prospect who was drafted only a few spots behind Mueller.

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2) Grabovski for Mueller
-Both players are ~20 goal/~50 point players, but I suspect Burke would rather have Mueller than Grabovski (I still think he prefers North Americans over Europeans)
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Keep in mind that Mueller is going to make only eight hundred and fifty kay, this season. The Coyotes are broke. They aren't going to be taking back additional millions of dollars in salary.
I really do like Grabovski, though. The guy impresses me virtually every time I watch him play. Too bad we don't need centers and he makes a little too much dough. Plus, he's about to turn twenty six. Mueller will still be twenty one.

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11-24-2009, 01:41 PM
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Edmonton:
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6th

Phoenix:
Cogliano
Actually, a deal like this would make sense for both teams. Oilers desperately need size up front and a player like Cogliano would be a good fit on a team like Phoenix who is looking to acquire players with speed that would compliment their system.

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Actually, a deal like this would make sense for both teams. Oilers desperately need size up front and a player like Cogliano would be a good fit on a team like Phoenix who is looking to acquire players with speed that would compliment their system.
I also think Cogliano for Mueller would be a good deal.

Cogliano's confidence seems to have been completely shattered since the Heatley deal. Right now he's playing like a shadow of the player he was (and can be). I really think he needs a change of scenery.

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Cogliano for Mueller has been talked about a lot this season, and it does make some sense, for sure.

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11-24-2009, 02:06 PM
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Hansen and Edler don't get us Yandle I wouldn't trade Edler for Muller and Yandle.He's a future number 1 defenceman.
And I'd like to speak on behalf of most if not all Yotes fans in thanking you for that.

And that's not a shot at Edler's abilities.

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11-24-2009, 02:11 PM
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wow Chain... i think the 1st rounder is quite the overpayment.
Maybe, maybe not. A 21-year old with a solid pedigree like Mueller to me is worth giving up on another mid-teens 18 year old in what may be a questionable draft. If it need only be a second rounder, so be it. But I don't see Phoenix biting on a second and MacArthur when there are other, flashier bits of sparkle being hypothized to the 'Yotes. Granted, if someone thinks Grabovski alone is enough, maybe Mac should be the offer all on his own.

Ghost Dog put it best, Buffalo should be kicking the tires but probably doesn't have the ammo to get it done.

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Maybe, maybe not. A 21-year old with a solid pedigree like Mueller to me is worth giving up on another mid-teens 18 year old in what may be a questionable draft. If it need only be a second rounder, so be it. But I don't see Phoenix biting on a second and MacArthur when there are other, flashier bits of sparkle being hypothized to the 'Yotes. Granted, if someone thinks Grabovski alone is enough, maybe Mac should be the offer all on his own.

Ghost Dog put it best, Buffalo should be kicking the tires but probably doesn't have the ammo to get it done.
yea i think we lack, or won't want to give up, what Phoenix might want. Im willing to part with this year's 1st in the right deal, but I dont know if this is the right deal.

I'd certainly do a deal around a 2nd and any prospect not named Myers, Ennis, Kassian...

But we don't have the any low budget NHL kids that Phoenix might want.

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yea i think we lack, or won't want to give up, what Phoenix might want. Im willing to part with this year's 1st in the right deal, but I dont know if this is the right deal.

I'd certainly do a deal around a 2nd and any prospect not named Myers, Ennis, Kassian...

But we don't have the any low budget NHL kids that Phoenix might want.
That's why I put MacArthur in the deal. He's relatively inexpensive and has shown some ability in a scorers role.

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Does phx really need another offensive dman? Yandle, Lepisto and even Jovo are all pretty capable

If they need D help Exelby makes more sense, an expiring dman that plays a physical game and is a nice depth guy to add.

Tlusty, Stajan or Mitchell, and Exelby for Mueller type deal
How about White, Poni for Mueller & 3rd

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How about White, Poni for Mueller & 3rd
I don't think the Coyotes have an extra two and a half million bucks laying around.

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i don't see gainey making a move for the guy after yesterday's deal but if we could send something phoenix's way to get mueller our team would be solid especially when the injuries are all gone.

d'agostini + weber

for

mueller

gionta gomez cammalleri
mueller plekanec a.kostitsyn
moen pouliot pacioretty
lapierre metropolit s.kostitsyn

ex. white, pyatt, laraque

markov mara
hamrlik spacek
gill gorges

ex. o'byrne, bergeron

price
halak

sick line up for sure but i doubt gainey puts in a bid for this guy.

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other then tlusty and a 2nd or 3rd im not sure if there is anything else the leafs can offer pheonix that doesnt involve them taking on a little salary.

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Just out of curiousity, when was the last time a deal involving player x + cash for player y occurred? Do these deals still occur? Are they against the current CBA?

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Just out of curiousity, when was the last time a deal involving player x + cash for player y occurred? Do these deals still occur? Are they against the current CBA?
Correct. The CBA prohibits this from happening.

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how about Mueller for Backlund?

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