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11-24-2009, 04:47 PM
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The what if game

I just got to thinking about James Wisniewski and how that deal (who did we get in that anyway??) was part of several mistakes made along the defensive front. What if the Hawks never traded him away and never signed Brian Campbell to begin with? The Hawks could potentially trot out the following defensive pairings:

Kieth-Seabrook
Barker-Hjalmarrson
Wisniewski-Johnson (Sopel is sent down, waived, traded, whatever)

I'd argue that this is not only beneficical from a salary cap standpoint (duh) but it would also enhance our overall d corps. Barker moves up to the 2nd line and Hjalmarsson covers for his defensive shortcomings (this pairing thus becomes slightly worse), while Wisniewski and Johnson are collectively >>>> than the current Barker/Sopel combo (espcecially defensively).

Just wondering what some of you would think about this. IMO the salary Cap situation makes this a no brainer, and I also think it has a better overall composition to boot.

It also sounds like Wisniewski is really coming into his own.

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11-24-2009, 05:00 PM
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He was traded for that center who had mono...Pahlsson. And, at the time of the trade, adding another center who could win face offs and play d responsibly was a need.

Wisniewski makes 2.75ish this year, I think?

The problem with what you say is never signed Campbell in the first place. At the time, the team was badly in need of a PMD, and as in the case with all free agent acquisitions, overpaid. So it goes.

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11-24-2009, 05:23 PM
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yeap if tallon would have just had a bit more patience we would be in a way better postition right now defensivly...we could definitly do without campbell and his 7.14 mil hit...i would bring up lalonde next year to take his place...i think they play a similar style but lalonde is better defensivly and more physical

as for wiz...i absolutly hated that deal...i always really liked wiz he does it all hes good defensivly contributes offensivly moves the puck well...can play pp and pk...is very physical and drops the gloves...i wish we could get him back hes a hell of a player and for 2.75 mil hes a steal...and yeah we sent him off for a 3rd line rental...who really did nothing for us

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He was traded for that center who had mono...Pahlsson. And, at the time of the trade, adding another center who could win face offs and play d responsibly was a need.

Wisniewski makes 2.75ish this year, I think?

The problem with what you say is never signed Campbell in the first place. At the time, the team was badly in need of a PMD, and as in the case with all free agent acquisitions, overpaid. So it goes.

I'm an idiot. I should have know it was the Pahlsson deal.

I also agree with xice in saying that Pahlsson really didn't do much for us (I though he was rather terrible, really). Even at that time I thought our "need" for a PMD was vastly exaggerated, and the contract was downright ludicrous. Not much that can be done about it now, though.

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11-24-2009, 06:20 PM
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I like Wiz, but they were concerned about his knees and the long term implications. He's had three torn ACL surgeries already, plus a sprain.

Torn ACL before he was drafted. That's why he dropped to the 5th round.
Torn ACL 2006/07 season.
Sprained MCL in fight with Tootoo in 07/08
Torn ACL July 2008. Off season injury.

It'll catch up with him.

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11-24-2009, 07:06 PM
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I'm an idiot. I should have know it was the Pahlsson deal.
You're being too hard on yourself. You're right - it's not like he played so outstanding that made him unforgettable.

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The Pahlsson trade was worth it. Pahlsson was big in our playoff run, Kontiola was an underachiever, and we wouldn't have had the cash to resign Wiz anyways.

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The Pahlsson trade was worth it. Pahlsson was big in our playoff run, Kontiola was an underachiever, and we wouldn't have had the cash to resign Wiz anyways.
Agreed, while I was always a fan of Wiz, we really did get the benefit of Pahlsson we were hoping for. Kontiola, always seemed like a project with a lot of pluses, but isn't missed much.

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11-24-2009, 07:59 PM
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I do remember Pahlsson getting a monster goal in one of the playoff games. He played so-so defensively and won some draws. He's actually making 100k less than Madden. I think not re-signing him was the right move.

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I still think it was a good trade for you guys.

Obviously if Campbell wasn't around it would be different. You guys still have a great top 5 D core

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I still think it was a good trade for you guys.

Obviously if Campbell wasn't around it would be different. You guys still have a great top 5 D core
Agreed.

OT - great avy!

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I like Wiz, but they were concerned about his knees and the long term implications. He's had three torn ACL surgeries already, plus a sprain.

Torn ACL before he was drafted. That's why he dropped to the 5th round.
Torn ACL 2006/07 season.
Sprained MCL in fight with Tootoo in 07/08
Torn ACL July 2008. Off season injury.

It'll catch up with him.
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And I would add it was a win win for both teams

If Ducks and Hawks dont make that trade who knows how far our teams go. And remember Byfuglien said Pahlsson helped him alot his short time here.

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