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11-28-2009, 05:12 PM
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Though Avery on the first line is something I would like to see as well, I'd move Cally to the first line. He can make some moves with the puck and is good for crashing the net and getting some garbage goals.

Cally-Prospal-Gaborik
Avery-AA-PAP
Higgins-Drury-Lisin
Brashear-Boyle-Kotalik

When Dubi returns, I'd do this:

Prospal-Dubi-Gaborik
Avery-AA-Cally
PAP-Drury-Lisin
PAP/Brashear-Boyle-Kotalik

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11-28-2009, 05:24 PM
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Avery is very underrated by HF'ers and NY fans. The guy has good speed and play making skills. He would add a little grit and back checking with Prospal and Gaborik. It would also free up depth for the other lines.

Avery - Prospal - Gaborik
Higgins - Drury - Callahan
Parenteau - Anisimov - Dubinsky
Voros - Boyle - Kotalik
These lines were used in lastnights game and didn't produce jack. Take out Duby and thats what we saw lastnight.

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11-28-2009, 05:30 PM
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Avery-Anisimov-Parenteau
Lisin-Drury-Callahan
Voros-Boyle-Brashear

That's what I'd do. Though it doesn't seem to matter right now. Although I'd give those lines at least one whole game together, rather than breaking them up after 2 shifts.

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Swapping Drury and Avery would do those lines pretty good too.

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11-28-2009, 05:31 PM
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Again... Drury is never going to produce if you keep putting him with similar players.

Higgins - Drury - Callahan

Have done NOTHING when ever they have been together.

Also, Callahan has done NOTHING at even strength. Stop HANDING minutes to Callahan that he hasn't earned. With effort, yes, unfortunately you need your top six forwards to PRODUCE at even strength.

Callahan has TWO even strength points this season. TWO even strength points in 25 games. While logging 19:40 of ice time per game!!!!!!!!!


Wake up!!


We have a guy earning 7 mil per year, with a no trade clause, and we have him for the remainder of this and next season. He is FAR more important to the team, we NEED him to get going.


Prospal - Drury - Gaborik
Avery - Anisimov - Lisin
Parenteau - Higgins - Callahan
Brashear - Boyle - Kotalik


Until Dubinsky is healthy.


Prospal - Drury - Gaborik
Avery - Dubinsky - Lisin
Higgins - Anisimov - Callahan
Brashear - Boyle - Kotalik


And the only reason Callahan gets to play above the 4th line is because he is better defensively then Kotalik, and hustles.

Callahan - 2 ES points, 25 games. 19:40 ATOI.
Kotalik - 4 ES points, 24 games. 15:29 ATOI.

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11-28-2009, 06:19 PM
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Avery is very underrated by HF'ers and NY fans. The guy has good speed and play making skills. He would add a little grit and back checking with Prospal and Gaborik. It would also free up depth for the other lines.

Avery - Prospal - Gaborik
Higgins - Drury - Callahan
Parenteau - Anisimov - Dubinsky
Voros - Boyle - Kotalik
I disagree. Avery is a huge fan favorite in New York (who else besides Hank and Gabby get serenaded by the crowd?) and I don't think we underestimate his skill.

He is a skilled player and is very quick on the puck, but he makes mistakes frequently in the defensive zone and sometimes forgets to backcheck or pick up a man when defending. Now, we have many players on this team who have similar defensive lapses (Kotalik, Lisin, etc.) and they do not belong on the first line either.

Sean has been playing great lately, and that would be the only reason I would entertain the notion of having him on line 1. Since Dubi is out and everyone else has sucked lately, I guess it couldn't hurt.

But it's pretty scary when this team has only two legitimate first line players and have to put 3rd line grinders on line 1 because no one else can score or even play with any effort.

I guess this team is a few more years away from cup contending than I originally thought...



oh, and.. Higgins Drury and Callahan is a fail of a line. They are all mediocre players and Drury seems to be the opposite of a catalyst these days. He drags his linemates down...

I actually liked Higgins on line one because his physicality (when he throws the body around) makes room on the ice for Gabby and Prospal. I'd like to see him on the first line for one more stint before taking him off. I hate Higgins as much as the next guy but that 1st line needs some size. Hopefully Avery can do similarly if he gets line 1 duty tonight.

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11-28-2009, 06:28 PM
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Can we at least try to maintain some cohesion with the lines?

Wasn't this one of the knocks on Renney last year with the constant musical centers and wings?

Work through it, work through it and in case you missed it, work through it.

One other thing, can we please for the love of God stop including Z-Bag in line combos?? He's gone, he ain't comin' back,and the sooner that you can accept that and move on, the better it will be.

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11-28-2009, 06:32 PM
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Maybe we need a lineup revote.

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Again... Drury is never going to produce if you keep putting him with similar players.

Higgins - Drury - Callahan

Have done NOTHING when ever they have been together.

Also, Callahan has done NOTHING at even strength. Stop HANDING minutes to Callahan that he hasn't earned. With effort, yes, unfortunately you need your top six forwards to PRODUCE at even strength.

Callahan has TWO even strength points this season. TWO even strength points in 25 games. While logging 19:40 of ice time per game!!!!!!!!!


Wake up!!


We have a guy earning 7 mil per year, with a no trade clause, and we have him for the remainder of this and next season. He is FAR more important to the team, we NEED him to get going.


Prospal - Drury - Gaborik
Avery - Anisimov - Lisin
Parenteau - Higgins - Callahan
Brashear - Boyle - Kotalik


Until Dubinsky is healthy.


Prospal - Drury - Gaborik
Avery - Dubinsky - Lisin
Higgins - Anisimov - Callahan
Brashear - Boyle - Kotalik


And the only reason Callahan gets to play above the 4th line is because he is better defensively then Kotalik, and hustles.

Callahan - 2 ES points, 25 games. 19:40 ATOI.
Kotalik - 4 ES points, 24 games. 15:29 ATOI.
I think Drury is signed through the 11/12-season. I've always liked the guy, dispite doing some 7.3 seconds damage to our team. I think giving him the C was a huge mistake, he lost his offence after that.

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11-28-2009, 07:01 PM
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When Dubi gets back i wouldint mind seen something like Avery Dubi Gaborik, Callahan Prospal Higgins, Lisin/Drury Anisimov Kotalik, Brasher Boyle Drury/Lisin

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11-28-2009, 07:09 PM
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These lines were used in lastnights game and didn't produce jack. Take out Duby and thats what we saw lastnight.
Ya but when u put Avery on that line for a shift or two, what can u expect. Also did gaborik not get somewhat of a breakway and tripped up into the net, while on with Avery. Those two seem to have potential i'd give them a serious chance. In all honesty who did we have end up playing first line last year, it was Avery Dubi and Ant which worked quite well almost got us throught th series. This year same idea excpet we have gaborik instead of Antro on that line.

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Its not about a reaction to them not scoring last night. Its about the fact that no other lines are. You cannot be a 1 line team in the NHL and right now were all about Prospal and Gabby. If they dont score we lose.
Well lets not take away the one line that is scoring. Prospal's not exactly another Gaborik, I don't think his production will remain off of Gaborik's line. And I'm sure that Gaborik's production will take a dive if he has to get comfortable with another player.

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Also a very interesting idea. But then we got all the playmakers on one line?

These other guys need to step up with goals

Calling Capt Clutch, Higgins, Lisin, Cally, Avery, Boyle, Brash, Voros and Dubi (upon return)!!!!! Get with the program and start scoring some goals! Or leave the island of Manhattan.

Kotalik and AA get a bit of slack here - especially AA being a rookie and looking at 35-40 pts with limited icetime so far...

And yeah - Kotalik is God awful 5 on 5. Here +/- is telling the truth...
A play maker on a line with no one who can finish is a waste. We have a finisher in Gaborik, so play him with the set up guys and ride him even more it's our only hope until the secondary scoring shows up.

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11-29-2009, 12:50 AM
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Higgins on the first line? absolutely NOT!! The guy is playing his own offense, not seeing anyone around. And is absolutely ineffective when shooting.

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also Avery whenever he plays, we is being run by opponent's defense without any support from referees. that is not contributing to the first line either. they need Dubinsky there!!! I can't wait for his return.

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