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Grachev Makes Russia WJC team, Rangers Won't Allow Him To Leave, Russia to Appeal

View Poll Results: If you were Rangers GM what would you do?
I would let him go to the WJCs 82 77.36%
I would not allow him to go to the WJCs 24 22.64%
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12-02-2009, 05:18 PM
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Uh, how is it not?

Do the Rangers or Russia have Grachev under contract? Take a wild guess about that one.
Well, one would think that Radulov signing in KHL would be illegal

They are just asking, it can't hurt.

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Well, one would think that Radulov signing in KHL would be illegal

They are just asking, it can't hurt.
As of now, it is. And you know that as well. That agreement of not poaching was signed.

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I tend to want him to stay here because of reservations I have when Cherepanov was headhunted during the Canada VS Russia thing a while back. I would rather him hone his game in the minors against men than against some kids that might want to head hunt in order to make themselves known by taking out a "star" player.
Spot on, JP. Agreed completely.

He's Rangers property, they don't want him to play, they have their reasons, end of story.

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Screw that noise. He doesn't need to be there. He needs to focus on getting his game adjusted to the professional level. Bowling over a bunch of 18 year olds isn't going to do that.

I'm not concerned about the kids production, but I am concerned about the reports that he's not giving his all on every shift.
I agree.

Hopefully this doesn't turn into an ugly mess.

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As of now, it is. And you know that as well. That agreement of not poaching was signed.
There is no agreement signed, there's only this verbal agreement.

Anyhow, what I was talking about is that no one expected that Radulov would be allowed to bolt from NHL and sign in KHL.

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12-02-2009, 05:41 PM
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Grachev is the closest thing to a 1st line prospect we have...dont want to risk him being hurt

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There is no agreement signed, there's only this verbal agreement.

Anyhow, what I was talking about is that no one expected that Radulov would be allowed to bolt from NHL and sign in KHL.
Except the IIHF HAD say in that. They had the say to authorize the contract or not.

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Grachev is the closest thing to a 1st line prospect we have...dont want to risk him being hurt
Isn't there as much, if not greater, risk of him getting hurt playing in Hartford.

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Grachev is the closest thing to a 1st line prospect we have...dont want to risk him being hurt
So should we keep him out of games in HFD also? There is a risk of being hurt there as well.

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Isn't there as much, if not greater, risk of him getting hurt playing in Hartford.
I don't know, kids in the WJC can get a little rambunctious and reckless. Crushing a star prospect like Grachev is probably pretty appealing to some of the kids that will be going against him.

By the same token, he's playing against actual men in the AHL.

I'd say you're right, it's probably even in terms of injury risk.

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Let the kid play for his country. He is struggling in Hartford, like Anisimov was 2 years ago.

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Two years ago, then 19-year old rookie Artem Anisimov’s play suffered a similar sag in late November and early December. Anisimov was allowed to represent his country at the World Junior Championship that year, and came home with a silver medal and a renewed sense of confidence that was immediately evident in his play, if not instantly obvious on the scoresheet.

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Isn't there as much, if not greater, risk of him getting hurt playing in Hartford.
you dont remember cherepanov getting hit by suter

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Isn't there as much, if not greater, risk of him getting hurt playing in Hartford.
No. No one in Hartford is out gunning for him trying to make a name for themselves on a national stage.

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You guys worry way to much.

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you dont remember cherepanov getting hit by suter
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No. No one in Hartford is out gunning for him trying to make a name for themselves on a national stage.

He's not playing against men. And he's bigger than 95% of the kids he's going to be playing against.

There's no scrub in the A trying to make a name for himself?

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The IIHF has no authority in this matter. There is no transfer agreement in place mainly thanks to the Russians who refuse to sign the agreement.

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you dont remember cherepanov getting hit by suter
Cherepanov got concussed by Brandon Sutter in the Super Series in the summer of 2007.

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He's not playing against men. And he's bigger than 95% of the kids he's going to be playing against.

There's no scrub in the A trying to make a name for himself?
Hitting Grachev in the minors isn't going to do anything for anyone. He's not a star in the minors at all. He'd be an absolute star at the WJCs on a national stage.

Imagine is some little farm boy from Canada nailed him during the match with Russia? The crowd would go ape **** and he'd be all over Youtube and get his 15 minutes of fame.

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Hitting Grachev in the minors isn't going to do anything for anyone. He's not a star in the minors at all. He'd be an absolute star at the WJCs on a national stage.

Imagine is some little farm boy from Canada nailed him during the match with Russia? The crowd would go ape **** and he'd be all over Youtube and get his 15 minutes of fame.
Imagine a grown man with nothing better to do than pick on kids.

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Imagine a grown man with nothing better to do than pick on kids.


lol- I think it'd be good for him to go play with his country-folk again. the injury argument goes nowhere and the only reason we're debating whether he should/shouldn't go is because the Rangers said no already. Had they said yes there would be no discussion.

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Let him go, that helped him last year to pick up his game after a slow start. He came back to Brampton and played way better down the road. I don't see why the Rangers act like this here.

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Let him go, that helped him last year to pick up his game after a slow start. He came back to Brampton and played way better down the road. I don't see why the Rangers act like this here.
How does Grachev playing for Russia benefit the Rangers?

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Let him go, that helped him last year to pick up his game after a slow start. He came back to Brampton and played way better down the road. I don't see why the Rangers act like this here.
It looks like the Rangers may have plans for Grachev by the time the WJCs start. December is a big month. We can be in a big ****hole by the end of the month if we don't turn things around.

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How does Grachev playing for Russia benefit the Rangers?
Put as much value into this as you want but the Rangers benefit from having a happy and content prospect versus having a disgruntled one.

The only way I'd want Grachev to play in this tournament is if he wanted to, otherwise I agree, he benefits more developmentally from staying the course in the 'A'.

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[QUOTE=Trxjw;22431822]Screw that noise. He doesn't need to be there. He needs to focus on getting his game adjusted to the professional level. Bowling over a bunch of 18 year olds isn't going to do that.

I'm not concerned about the kids production, but I am concerned about the reports that he's not giving his all on every shift.[/QUOTE]

He is a Russian.

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