I Hate to say I told you so but I did, Torts is a bully and a liar. He is outdated and the NHL has passed him by. The Rangers are in a free fall and missing the playoff. WE have a GM in a time warp and a coach that is a a-hole this is worse then it ever was under Renney
lol @ you. Always trying to say you told us so blah blah blah.. the jury is still out on Torts, you aren't right about anything..
The problems with this team lie way before Torts even came here.
I thought it was reported that Sather made an offer? God Id love him with us.
Yup, he got offers from the Rangers and LA I thought. But he ended up signing with Pittsburgh, long-term for less. There's a pretty good interview where he talks about it that I can try to dig up if any of the Rangers faithful are interested.
i keep reading these posts about how the team is getting so upset with torts. People are almost trying to paint a picture of a revolution brewing in the locker room against him
im starting to realize that this is nothing more than posters being upset that the team is not winning and pretending that the team is sharing their disdain for the coaching situation...which is delusional
Start showing me quotes, even from "anonymous" players, that even hint that this is really the situation
but there are none...all we have is Dagoon claiming that the word on the street is that Henrik is pissed at Torts, and offdacrossbar claiming "this thing with Torts is real" and then going to list all the reasons for his own personal dislike of the situation
just because we don't know the full details of what goes on in the locker room and what went on with the lisin benching doesn't mean the team didnt know. If you ask me, Torts' interview made it sound like there was actually some pretty specific things that Lisin and Kotalik were asked to do and have not done. They weren't being benched for not putting up gaborik-like points, it sounds a lot like they have been repeat offenders of a specific issue that has been addressed to the team.
people need to cool down, be less delusional, and realize that its early in the season, we have a mediocre team, this a very transitional year in both terms of players and philosophy
we have a lot of things to build on with this team as well as some things to correct. Despite the apparently proven "fact" that the team despises Torts and is going to quit on him tomorrow, the future of this team is actually really bright
but don't listen to me, im an optimist and the teams in a slump, that's like treason right?
you're are a reasonable person. anyone who has sense knows the culture of this team needs to change and that's why Torts is here. if a player doesn't give an honest effort then why reward them.
NO MORE COASTING!!!!! everybody say it with me
NO MORE COASTING!!!!!
NO MORE COASTING!!!!!
NO MORE COASTING!!!!!
Difficult to imagine that Sather didn't pull the trigger figuring he had Brooks Orpik on the way. But Orpik chose to take less per season to return to Pittsburgh for a six-year deal when he turned down the Rangers' five-year offer... Those scoring at home probably realize that the Rangers are short two NHL-level defensemen at the moment -- pretty amazing considering that Sather spent a combined $59 million to sign two Ds yesterday. Re-signing Paul Mara at about half of his $3 million salary from last year could fill one spot.
Not really any details, but it appears to be pretty obvious there was an offer made at least from NY's end.
Orpik’s Pick: And while we’re on the subject of guys taking less money, it’s a bit instructive to look at Orpik’s re-signing by the Penguins and the fallout.
Orpik obviously looked at what the Penguins had, compared it to what the Rangers had and, even though Glen Sather threw more dollars in his direction, decided to stay put. Larry Brooks in the Post raps the Rangers for “unaccountably allowing free agent Brooks Orpik to slip through their hands,” but with Jaromir Jagr’s status uncertain, a team with both Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin looks at the moment like the better place to be if you want to win.
Can't really blame Sather for that one. Let's blame Crosby.
um...... last time i check our other 2 rookies were doin pretty damn good. perhaps adding another makes us better? ya never know. what we have now aint workin all that great, is it ?
mdz has been very good and gilroy really pretty much the same. in fact, many nights those 2 are our best dmen esp. with redden being out.
if we subscribed to the " rookie dmen cant play" theory we would be alot worse off wouldnt we ?
rozy has been bad. really, whats the harm giving a guy like heik a shot?
we saw sangs, lets see heik.
But our record with 2 rookies on d (and 2 or more on offense for that matter) is bad. Another rookie won't improve the record, which is what all of this crying is all about. We lack intimidation and size on D. We lack solid defense on D. We lack composure on D. Granted, Roszival lacks all of that as well, but another rookie is not the answer. It will only make things worse for the new rookie and the current ones. If this is a rebuild, which I see it is in a moderate sense, then the team has to be smart about it. I want Roszival out, but it has to be done wisely through a trade. His value is negative so without hurting the franchise in the future we have to wait it out until an opportunity arises.
Originally Posted by FLYLine24
Brooks I believe was the one who posted that the Rangers DID make an offer to him but he chose the Pens over us (for LESS money)
Oh Brooks, sometimes you post legit stuff, but other time its just BS to start silly internet arguments.
And he shouldnt even bother posting anything about Torts since he is extremely biased against him ever since Torts put him in his place.
This is exactly as I remember it, with Brooks as the source. He is obviously forgeting his own revised history some way or another.
But Brooks was a huge proponent of bringing in Tortorella last season. I don't think bias is an issue. I think that no matter what, everyone is an armchair GM. Everyone gets loud when the team fails especially when 'their moves' were ignored. The only difference between Brooks and any of us is circulation.
Again, IF Orpik and IF Neil signed here we would have a much different atmosphere surrounding the team. But then again, IF those guys signed here they wouldn't be nearly the guys we wanted... namely team-first and loyal players we need. They would have been greedy and selfish (to an extent), they would turn a blind eye to all of stuff we see just like everyone else because the #1 motivator is that big paycheck.
Its time for Ranger fans and ownership to come to terms with the fact that a good old fashion rebuild is necessary. No more mercenaries July1. No more trades from weakness at the deadline. Nice and slow like every one else.
Let's get something straight: speculation from larry Brooks weighs 10000 tons more than speculation from disgruntled rangers fans on message boards.
Larry is given free reign at the Post and tells it like it is. He writes for one of a handful of papers in the country who allow their writers to editorialize as beat writers, who IMO are generally sterile and redundant.
I'm not saying Larry is a great writer, but you can tell he understands the team better than any beat writer since Frank Brown or Barry Meisel.
Larry has had egg on his face before (Holik and Kaspar signings), but in the end he is one of the few guys who hold this team and organization accountable through good times and mostly bad.
As for Orpik, we all know it was a no-brainer because he was coming off a monster postseason in 2008.
To this day, the re-signing of Roszival after it was determined Straka and Jagr werent coming back is clouded in mystery and misery.
Ok so lets say we fire Torts, then what? Hire another coach and make it Sathers 6th selection in ten years? Why would you even trust him to make the right hire? I don't. As much as I don't agree with Torts decisions I think we have to give him atleast one full season before letting him go. This team is thin and soft, not the two greatest things to have in your first full season behind the bench.
Hey, it'll be better than having the disaster that is Michal Rozsival out there.
I think aside form that one big mistake that lead to the goal where he just backed in he has been playing better, starting to shoot more too which is a good thing with Rozy. Good shot just needs to start using it.