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12-05-2009, 10:50 AM
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Anyways, I'll give Laviolette the benefit of the doubt considering he's already figured out that our best offensive players should play together.

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I actually haven't been, others have, but I'm fairly surprised by this.
Maybe not you then, someone is always citing the handful of games he played out there under Hitch.

I don't think Carter is a center.

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12-05-2009, 10:53 AM
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Maybe not you then, someone is always citing the handful of games he played out there under Hitch.

I don't think Carter is a center.
Eh, I disagree, I think he's a better playmaker than people realize, but I guess it doesn't hurt to experiment.

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12-05-2009, 11:02 AM
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Eh, I disagree, I think he's a better playmaker than people realize, but I guess it doesn't hurt to experiment.
I think he clearly has the skills to be a playmaker, I just haven't seen any manifestation of the mentality.

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I think he clearly has the skills to be a playmaker, I just haven't seen any manifestation of the mentality.
Meh he's on pace for 45-50 assists which is pretty solid when you consider that JVR isn't a natural finisher and Briere has been hurt/suspended for half the year.

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12-05-2009, 11:06 AM
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Meh he's on pace for 45-50 assists which is pretty solid when you consider that JVR isn't a natural finisher and Briere has been hurt/suspended for half the year.
This is a case where I think the number belie what's actually going on, Carter gets a large amount of those from rebounds.

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12-05-2009, 11:08 AM
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This is a case where I think the number belie what's actually going on, Carter gets a large amount of those from rebounds.
...And? I don't care how he gets them as long as he gets them, I'm also not a huge believer in the "Carter's rebounds are his assists" philosophy, I'd bet that less than 3 of his assists have come from rebounds.

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12-05-2009, 11:11 AM
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...And? I don't care how he gets them as long as he gets them,
Agreed, I just don't think they're necessarily an indication of being a playmaker.


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I'm also not a huge believer in the "Carter's rebounds are his assists" philosophy, I'd bet that less than 3 of his assists have come from rebounds.
maybe not most, but it's definitely more than 3

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12-05-2009, 11:24 AM
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Agreed, I just don't think they're necessarily an indication of being a playmaker.
I dunno, you could argue that he knows what his greatest strength is and uses it to try and create opportunities from his teammates.

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maybe not most, but it's definitely more than 3
I dunno, I doubt it, but I don't think either of us want to look through every goal.

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12-05-2009, 11:25 AM
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I dunno, I doubt it, but I don't think either of us want to look through every goal.
I'm not doing it.

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I'm not doing it.
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While I agree he has the skillset to be a good assist-man, it goes against his nature. I think he has a winger's mindset for sure, at least offensively.

I wonder who is the superior face off man between Carter and Giroux? With out looking at the stats I would think Carter is ( it'll be interesting to see who ends up taking them, presumably Giroux). I also wonder if some of Carter's reach and ability to cover ice quickly won't be wasted playing wing on defense. Perhaps they'll give Carter center's responsibilities in their own zone and then let him and Giroux switch once they gain the zone (or in transition).


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12-05-2009, 11:43 AM
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Giroux has looked VERY good at center while Carter has looked better when playing at wing. I can care less how he played wing under Hitch, but to me, this year, when he played wing he had his better games. He actually looked like he was moving.

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I really hope that Laviolette doesn't put Pyorala with Richards on the top 2 lines. It should be this for the better two lines:

Hartnell-Richards-Briere
JvR-Giroux-Carter

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...And? I don't care how he gets them as long as he gets them, I'm also not a huge believer in the "Carter's rebounds are his assists" philosophy, I'd bet that less than 3 of his assists have come from rebounds.
He has 65 missed shots. You need to hit the ****ing net to get a rebound. Like someone else said in another thread, Carter may not be leading the team in giveaways but, much of the time, a missed shot IS a giveaway and results in a rush going the other way.

But, don't get me wrong, he just needs to work on some parts of his game. He's putting up points and is a good player.

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Giroux has looked VERY good at center while Carter has looked better when playing at wing. I can care less how he played wing under Hitch, but to me, this year, when he played wing he had his better games. He actually looked like he was moving.
This, this, this. I don't remember how well Carter played at wing this year due to the massive amount of in-game line switching, but I have noticed that Giroux is much better at center then at wing.

These line combos have me even more excited for the game. That Giroux line will be really interesting.

We haven't even played a game yet and assuming that Lavi doesn't constantly switch the lines up like Stevens did, we've already seen improvement.

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12-05-2009, 12:00 PM
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Crap, I've been up for 25 hours already and I don't even know if there's a stream tonight. Maybe I'll just go to sleep now, set the alarm at 1am and wake the **** up and hopefully there's one?

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I can't even describe how terrible I am at that game. Countless times in my life I look up and everyone is staring at me with their fingers on their noses.

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RT @CSNFlyer: Laviolette's lines: Hartnell-Richards-Briere, JVR-Giroux-Carter, Carcillo-Pyorala-Asham, Nodl-Kalinski-Laperriere
I like the lines. They actually look like top 2 lines now.

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He has 65 missed shots. You need to hit the ****ing net to get a rebound. Like someone else said in another thread, Carter may not be leading the team in giveaways but, much of the time, a missed shot IS a giveaway and results in a rush going the other way.

But, don't get me wrong, he just needs to work on some parts of his game. He's putting up points and is a good player.
Yeah that's a solid point, my counter would be I don't think that problem disappears when he becomes a winger.

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I can't even describe how terrible I am at that game. Countless times in my life I look up and everyone is staring at me with their fingers on their noses.
Yeah, same here.

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Even more aggrivated I'll be missing this game now.

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I really hope that Laviolette doesn't put Pyorala with Richards on the top 2 lines. It should be this for the better two lines:

Hartnell-Richards-Briere
JvR-Giroux-Carter
So much hate on Pyorala. The guy is a fill in on the top 6. Someone gets hurt, you can throw him in there and he wont look lost. Now that being said, he isnt considered a top 6 guy, but I would say a top 9, who can fill in top 6 with injuries. You always need those players on a team.

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I have a feeling we're going to look pretty awful in the 1st then pick it up from there.

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Lines look good. Wonder what happens when Gagne is back and we have 7 top 6 forwards

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Lines look good. Wonder what happens when Gagne is back and we have 7 top 6 forwards
I say (If the current top 6 currently works out)

JVR-Giroux-Carter
Hartnell-Richards-Briere
Gagne-Pyorala-Powe
Carcillo-Betts-Lappy

No matter what, one of these guys are gonna need to play on the 3rd line. I tihnk in the beginning, Gagne will since he will come back from an injury.

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