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Grachev Makes Russia WJC team, Rangers Won't Allow Him To Leave, Russia to Appeal

View Poll Results: If you were Rangers GM what would you do?
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12-04-2009, 02:04 PM
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If Grachev wants to play, you should let him play. Especially since he's not playing for the big club. It's not just about development here and now, but about treating your players well. Treating your players well can only have benefits. First and foremost, it builds loyalty.

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12-04-2009, 04:47 PM
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Grachev gave an exclusive interview to Russian Hockey Fans
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Hello Evgeny. Recently the Russian Hockey Federation site has published news that the Rangers ruled you out of the WJC. Has anyone from the club talked to you about this decision? Has the RHF approached you either?
I've seen this information on the internet and I've asked my agent to learn if they really weren't releasing me. And the New York Rangers confirmed that they wouldn't release me. And no one from the RHF tried to get in touch with me.
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Do you think that you are progressing playing in the AHL?
Yes, I do think that I am progressing in this league. The level is good and it's hard to play here.

Wouldn't it better for you to get back in the KHL, where you would get good time on ice in the Europe's best league?
Well, no one would give me ice time in the KHL.
Full interview is here:
http://www.russianhockeyfans.com/nhl...he-wjc-45.html

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12-05-2009, 08:42 AM
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Let him go. He's not on your NHL roster - 2 weeks in a pressure atmosphere playing against the best juniors in the world will definitely help his mental game.
does a hell of a lot more than being 2 weeks in Hartford. Also , I'd be really curious to see some of these junior squads against AHL teams.

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12-05-2009, 08:54 AM
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Why not just let him go?

What is the Rangers Organization fretting over that's they don't want him to go?

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12-05-2009, 11:39 AM
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Pretty disgusting that the Rangers want to stop him from going.

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12-05-2009, 12:24 PM
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Let him go, it'll be a great confidence booster for him. It's not like he's tearing up the AHL. Maybe the WJC will give him some confidence for the 'Pack games.

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12-05-2009, 12:46 PM
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Do you regret going overseas so early?
No, I don't regret it. In fact, it would have been better if I had gone even earlier.
Good.

These god damn russian interviewers try to stuff the idea of playing in the KHL down the kids throat. I'm happy he responded that way.

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12-05-2009, 02:28 PM
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Honestly, maybe he didnt want to go? Obvious speculation on my part but maybe he just wants to concentrate on one thing right now and that is trying to get better in the Rangers organization so he can make the NHL very soon.

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12-05-2009, 02:38 PM
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Pretty disgusting that the Rangers want to stop him from going.
LOL. Disgusting? Yeah ok.

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Honestly, maybe he didnt want to go? Obvious speculation on my part but maybe he just wants to concentrate on one thing right now and that is trying to get better in the Rangers organization so he can make the NHL very soon.
I think with this response to the following question shows he was surprised by the decision and wanted to go.

""Hello Evgeny. Recently the Russian Hockey Federation site has published news that the Rangers ruled you out of the WJC. Has anyone from the club talked to you about this decision? Has the RHF approached you either?
I've seen this information on the internet and I've asked my agent to learn if they really weren't releasing me. And the New York Rangers confirmed that they wouldn't release me. And no one from the RHF tried to get in touch with me.""
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12-05-2009, 02:44 PM
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Maybe because of what happened to Cherepanov (R.I.P.), the Rangers don't want him to go overseas...maybe they'd rather Grachev be playing in the AHL in America.

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12-05-2009, 02:55 PM
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Maybe because of what happened to Cherepanov (R.I.P.), the Rangers don't want him to go overseas...maybe they'd rather Grachev be playing in the AHL in America.
Overseas? Last I checked Canada isn't overseas.

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Overseas? Last I checked Canada isn't overseas.
Oh wow...

Sorry, the Russian interviewer asked about going overseas, so I thought that's where the competition was...wow.

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Sounds like Filatov isn't happy Grachev is missing the WJC's:

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You're going to the World Junior Championships. What should we expect from Team Russia?

"Some kind of misery is falling down on us. In a playing for Los Angeles Andrei Loktionov(notes) injured himself [and is] out for four months. You can say that we lost our first line center. The Rangers are not letting Grachev play. He is our best right wing. That means we are left without out leading line. Kulikov is a first team defenseman for Florida. That means that he also won't go to Saskatoon."
Whole article is pretty interesting. Makes Filatov sound like a big baby.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...urn=nhl,206836

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12-05-2009, 03:26 PM
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Can't believe the Rangers aren't letting him go.

Unbelievable. Could sure use the experience.

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Well, he does look like a big baby

Nah, he makes a good point, but it does look like he's looking for sympathy of some sort

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Sounds like Filatov isn't happy Grachev is missing the WJC's:



Whole article is pretty interesting. Makes Filatov sound like a big baby.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...urn=nhl,206836
Man that would have been some line to watch though, Filatov and Grachev together, they would have destroyed the competition.

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Man that would have been some line to watch though, Filatov and Grachev together, they would have destroyed the competition.
Don't forget Loktionov. That kid is a wizard with the puck.

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If Grachev wants to play, you should let him play. Especially since he's not playing for the big club. It's not just about development here and now, but about treating your players well. Treating your players well can only have benefits. First and foremost, it builds loyalty.
I Completely agree.

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12-05-2009, 05:19 PM
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boo! let him go!

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Any time you get a chance to rep your nation...do it and you should be allowed to go.

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Please know that the authors of both articles referred to in this thread have a KHL bias, and that it is very easy to frame questions and make quotes look like something other than what they are intended when translated.

While I have no doubt that Filatov had problems with the amount of ice time that he received in Columbus, I would be hard-pressed to believe that he meant to denigrate Ken Hitchcock in the way it looked in the article. Hitch is extremely well regarded and making such comments will only hurt him in the long run.

As for Grachev, he is at this point a big part of the Wolf Pack offense, and needs to continue to play at this level. Plus, just thinking (no particular info here), but, if I was the Rangers I would not want my potential future star hanging out with Filatov or anyone else who could try to lure him away with money or anything else. Although Grachev may be somewhat unhappy about this decision, its just not worth it from the Rangers point of view. Now had there been a transfer agreement in place, that would be a different story, but under the current situation, no way would I allow him to be in that environment.


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Please know that the authors of both articles referred to in this thread have a KHL bias, and that it is very easy to frame questions and make quotes look like something other than what they are intended when translated.

While I have no doubt that Filatov had problems with the amount of ice time that he received in Columbus, I would be hard-pressed to believe that he meant to denigrate Ken Hitchcock in the way it looked in the article. Hitch is extremely well regarded and making such comments will only hurt him in the long run.

As for Grachev, he is at this point a big part of the Wolf Pack offense, and needs to continue to play at this level. Plus, just thinking (no particular info here), but, if I was the Rangers I would not want my potential future star hanging out with Filatov or anyone else who could try to lure him away with money or anything else. Although Grachev may be somewhat unhappy about this decision, its just not worth it from the Rangers point of view. Now had there been a transfer agreement in place, that would be a different story, but under the current situation, no way would I allow him to be in that environment.
Why not try to bring Filatov here? I voted let him go, but changed my opinion after reading your arguments.

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Please know that the authors of both articles referred to in this thread have a KHL bias, and that it is very easy to frame questions and make quotes look like something other than what they are intended when translated.

While I have no doubt that Filatov had problems with the amount of ice time that he received in Columbus, I would be hard-pressed to believe that he meant to denigrate Ken Hitchcock in the way it looked in the article. Hitch is extremely well regarded and making such comments will only hurt him in the long run.

As for Grachev, he is at this point a big part of the Wolf Pack offense, and needs to continue to play at this level. Plus, just thinking (no particular info here), but, if I was the Rangers I would not want my potential future star hanging out with Filatov or anyone else who could try to lure him away with money or anything else. Although Grachev may be somewhat unhappy about this decision, its just not worth it from the Rangers point of view. Now had there been a transfer agreement in place, that would be a different story, but under the current situation, no way would I allow him to be in that environment.
All valid points. Hard to disagree with that perspective.

My personal belief though is that if Evgeny is ever going to decide to play in Russia it's going to happen regardless of nearly any stance the Rangers happen to take with him; barring any outlandish or extreme decisions by the organization which could disillusion him of course. The guys that are in NA are here because their ultimate goal is to play in the NHL and those who aren't made a personal decision to play in their homeland, which you can't fault them for. If Evgeny is simple minded enough to be that easily influenced after already setting a course for the NHL then clearly his mind and heart weren't set on playing here. The guys that want to be here will make the commitment and effort to stay regardless of the circumstances.

Look at Zherdev, as much as people enjoy pointing to him and laughing because he priced himself out of the NHL this year doesn't mean that he didn't want to be in the NHL. He explored all of his options before he accepted that he was a cap casualty, but that's what happens when the arbitration process doesn't commence until mid August, you lose NHL caliber players. Anyway, my point is the guys that want to be here will ultimately do what it takes and not bolt at the first sign of a paycheck or any other superficial reasons.


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12-15-2009, 02:56 PM
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TSNBobMcKenzie LA Kings will not release V Voinov to Russians for WJC; same thing with NYR and E Grachev.
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie

Rangers say nyet.

I asked McKenzie on twitter earlier today and he checked. Thanks Bob

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