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12-05-2009, 04:32 PM
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Actually, Scotty Bowman WAS a player in the minors, but he got hit in the head with a stick, fracturing his skull, thus ending his playing career.

OT, I know, but a little known fact that some might be interested in knowing.
I think he meant ex-nhlers

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you don't remember what was their payroll like before the actual CBA I guess...
And what bearing does that have on the franchise Detroit is today?

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And what bearing does that have on the franchise Detroit is today?
if by today you mean 09/10 season, they're on pace for around 90 pts, wich isnt enough to make the playoffs... and we havent seen a "gem" drafted by them in a little while, none that will replace the Lidstrom, Rafalski, Holmstrom when they'll retire...

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12-05-2009, 08:25 PM
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if by today you mean 09/10 season, they're on pace for around 90 pts, wich isnt enough to make the playoffs... and we havent seen a "gem" drafted by them in a little while, none that will replace the Lidstrom, Rafalski, Holmstrom when they'll retire...
Holland is probably already dreaming of pulling Markov in.

They have Krownwall though, but will that be enough? Big shoes to replace. But like Jersey, will the system prevail?

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12-05-2009, 08:30 PM
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Maguire as GM LOL

I actually switched from the English broadcast to RDS to get away from his endless drivel during the Leafs game.

Maguire has said everything at least once. How can anybody take that guy seriously?

Cherry was another talking head like maguire. For a guy who thinks he knows it all he did an absolutely horrible job running the Missy IceDogs despite years of top picks due to repeated failure. For some reason I think maguire would be worse

Heck Mark Hunter of the Knights would be miles better than Maguire


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Maguire as GM LOL

I actually switched from the English broadcast to RDS to get away from his endless drivel during the Leafs game.

Maguire has said everything at least once. How can anybody take that guy seriously?
Despite not speaking French (or does he, I can't remember), the hockey media in Montreal would love him.

I bet he'd invite many of them daily in his office at the BC (or Brossard) to have HUGE chitchats.

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12-05-2009, 08:45 PM
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Despite not speaking French (or does he, I can't remember), the hockey media in Montreal would love him.

I bet he'd invite many of them daily in his office at the BC (or Brossard) to have HUGE chitchats.
Good point. He could tell them who his favourite "monstre" would be

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12-05-2009, 08:46 PM
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In regards to the OP's comment of "Pierre knows talent."

I have to respectfully disagree... Pierre thinks that Dion Phaneuf is a great hockey player.

False.
Pierre was ragging on him pretty hard at the beginning of the season, he didn't even put him on his Canadian Olympic team. He said Phaneuf was poor defensively and he would need to shape up to become the defenseman he needed to be. Phaneuf got better and Maguire put him back on his team.

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12-05-2009, 08:50 PM
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So... GAiney Stepped down?

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So... GAiney Stepped down?
Actually he was on the ice last night. I expect to see him playing on the 4th line soon

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Despite not speaking French (or does he, I can't remember), the hockey media in Montreal would love him.

I bet he'd invite many of them daily in his office at the BC (or Brossard) to have HUGE chitchats.
If that was serious, you have to know that McGuire is enemy #1 amongst the french medias. If people think that the media hates Gainey, wait till McGuire gets the job.

They kept talking about how McGuire kept dissing Michel Therrien and they didn't like it. They'll surely be on his back the second they can.

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12-05-2009, 09:08 PM
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if by today you mean 09/10 season, they're on pace for around 90 pts, wich isnt enough to make the playoffs... and we havent seen a "gem" drafted by them in a little while, none that will replace the Lidstrom, Rafalski, Holmstrom when they'll retire...
I don't know whether you're doing this on purpose, or if you just haven't read what you're responding to.

The topic is Detroit's success over the last few years. In response to this, you have discussed: a) Detroit prior to the lockout; b) Detroit this season, neglecting their success over the last few years.

Are you arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a point? If it's the latter, is your point that Detroit is not a successful franchise? If that's not your point, why are you arguing? Because you feel Detroit is built on free agents? Okay, then show me all the free agents that Detroit has signed that make up their core versus the total number of in-house developed/drafted players.

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12-05-2009, 11:53 PM
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If that was serious, you have to know that McGuire is enemy #1 amongst the french medias. If people think that the media hates Gainey, wait till McGuire gets the job.

They kept talking about how McGuire kept dissing Michel Therrien and they didn't like it. They'll surely be on his back the second they can.
I don't remember the french media dissing Maguire, other than what happened with Lapierre. But let's face it Maguire wasn't very classy in his dissing of Therrien.

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12-06-2009, 12:19 AM
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Bob Gainey has made some serious dumb moves in his life... but he is one of the best in the league and he is not going anywhere....

Pierre McGuire is not even close to being comparable to Gainey.... the ONLY position i would see him as a candidate for in montreal is if Trevor Timmins gets fired... for which i think they should consider McGuire....

IF Gainey gets sacked i think 1st Carbo or 2nd Roy (I actually see Roy as the next coach)

One last thing: When Pierre McGuire talks about trades he is talking straight out of his ass, its easier said then done... you think gainey wouldnt want to trade Halak for Barker straight up? you think Gainey didnt try to get top snipers to come? someone talked about how PM will make montreal look like philly.. well did BG not write a blank check to that little ***** Briere?

PM has no NHL experience as a player, coach or a GM... in conclusion when he disses GMs and trades he is talking ****. period.

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12-06-2009, 01:35 AM
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Bob Gainey has made some serious dumb moves in his life... but he is one of the best in the league and he is not going anywhere....

Pierre McGuire is not even close to being comparable to Gainey.... the ONLY position i would see him as a candidate for in montreal is if Trevor Timmins gets fired... for which i think they should consider McGuire....

IF Gainey gets sacked i think 1st Carbo or 2nd Roy (I actually see Roy as the next coach)

One last thing: When Pierre McGuire talks about trades he is talking straight out of his ass, its easier said then done... you think gainey wouldnt want to trade Halak for Barker straight up? you think Gainey didnt try to get top snipers to come? someone talked about how PM will make montreal look like philly.. well did BG not write a blank check to that little ***** Briere?

PM has no NHL experience as a player, coach or a GM... in conclusion when he disses GMs and trades he is talking ****. period.
Euhh... so he trades for a D when we need a big center to put on the 1st line?

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12-06-2009, 01:42 AM
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Despite not speaking French (or does he, I can't remember), the hockey media in Montreal would love him.

I bet he'd invite many of them daily in his office at the BC (or Brossard) to have HUGE chitchats.
His french is pretty good actually

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Euhh... so he trades for a D when we need a big center to put on the 1st line?
We do?

Habs are deep at center, this is not our weakness this year.

A young left handed defensemen fits our organisation needs perfectly in a middle-long term perspective.

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12-06-2009, 02:48 AM
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if by today you mean 09/10 season, they're on pace for around 90 pts, wich isnt enough to make the playoffs... and we havent seen a "gem" drafted by them in a little while, none that will replace the Lidstrom, Rafalski, Holmstrom when they'll retire...
J.Ericsson- 9th round, 291st overall
V.Flipulla- 3rd round, 95th overall
V.Leino- free agent from Europe
D. Helm- 5th round, 132nd
J.Hudler- 2nd round, 58th


ericsson is looking very much like a solid top 4 D-man, they drafted him in 2002 and have patiently brought him along.

Flipulla and Hudler (in KHL, but rights are still Detroits) have established themselves as very good top 6 forwards both with the potential of more

Leino and Helm are not yet established, but have shown potential to develop into solid contributor.


that's not a bad collection of youngish talent for a team that's been in the finals 3 times (winning twice) in the past 7 NHL seasons..

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J.Ericsson- 9th round, 291st overall
V.Flipulla- 3rd round, 95th overall
V.Leino- free agent from Europe
D. Helm- 5th round, 132nd
J.Hudler- 2nd round, 58th


ericsson is looking very much like a solid top 4 D-man, they drafted him in 2002 and have patiently brought him along.

Flipulla and Hudler (in KHL, but rights are still Detroits) have established themselves as very good top 6 forwards both with the potential of more

Leino and Helm are not yet established, but have shown potential to develop into solid contributor.


that's not a bad collection of youngish talent for a team that's been in the finals 3 times (winning twice) in the past 7 NHL seasons..
Ah, I didn't want to indulge him. Especially when he had to reach and list Holmstrom as a player that might be hard to replace! I suppose he's never heard of Franzen, drafted in 2003--same year as our beloved Kostitsyn, and he's accomplished loads more. But I suppose Detroit's the one having troubles drafting. . .

Tatar - drafted this year, putting up close to a PPG pace in the AHL last I checked as an 18-year old.

Larsson - 3rd rounder in 2006, putting up good numbers in the AHL and has the talent to push beyond McCollum & Howard to be the starting netminder there.

Brendan Smith - exceptional defensive prospect tearing it up on McDonagh's team in the NCAA. Over a PPG as a defenseman. 21 points in 14 games. The next closest defenseman, McDonagh, has 9 points. Excellent skater. Best part about Smith? He's solid defensively, too.

Helm & Abdelkader, drafted in 2005, are taking over from Draper & Maltby without skipping a beat.

Kindl just played his first NHL game. He's coming along nicely as a stalwart defenseman and big body.

One guy I like, though Wings fans aren't too high on him, is Ritola. Good amount of talent and competitive. Not a core player, though, just a nice complementary/puck possession player.

The Wings get the most out of their prospects because of their superior development philosophy. I wouldn't be concerned about their prospect pool.

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uh huh, when will people realize that analyzing an event that has happened, such as a trade or a play on the ice, is not the same as organizing a team and managing it.

Another thing, just because the man knows a lot of people doesn't mean he's respected at all. Hell, even his peers on TSN crack jokes about him. Most hockey people in meaningful positions don't give this guy the time of day.

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Most hockey people in meaningful positions don't give this guy the time of day.
A statement I'm sure you can substantiate, given your extensive contacts with team execs.

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I'm not saying he'd be my choice, but I wouldn't hate it.

He would build a team that is hard-nosed and I want that. We've been a team too easily pushed around for far too long. While you might not agree with everything he says, the players he orgasms over are the hard workers and guys who never give up.

And a huge plus is that he knows junior players VERY well. He's not always right on his assessment, but in comparison with a lot of GMs, they don't spend a lot of time watching junior. And even if McGuire was an NHL GM, I still think he'd keep up with junior hockey to an extent.

Again, the guy loves grit and I love grit. I'd have no problem giving him a try.

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Ah, I didn't want to indulge him. Especially when he had to reach and list Holmstrom as a player that might be hard to replace! I suppose he's never heard of Franzen, drafted in 2003--same year as our beloved Kostitsyn, and he's accomplished loads more. But I suppose Detroit's the one having troubles drafting. . .

Tatar - drafted this year, putting up close to a PPG pace in the AHL last I checked as an 18-year old.

Larsson - 3rd rounder in 2006, putting up good numbers in the AHL and has the talent to push beyond McCollum & Howard to be the starting netminder there.

Brendan Smith - exceptional defensive prospect tearing it up on McDonagh's team in the NCAA. Over a PPG as a defenseman. 21 points in 14 games. The next closest defenseman, McDonagh, has 9 points. Excellent skater. Best part about Smith? He's solid defensively, too.

Helm & Abdelkader, drafted in 2005, are taking over from Draper & Maltby without skipping a beat.

Kindl just played his first NHL game. He's coming along nicely as a stalwart defenseman and big body.

One guy I like, though Wings fans aren't too high on him, is Ritola. Good amount of talent and competitive. Not a core player, though, just a nice complementary/puck possession player.

The Wings get the most out of their prospects because of their superior development philosophy. I wouldn't be concerned about their prospect pool.
more like 2004, at 24 years old...

LOADS more ? really... you know Franzen will be 30 in about a month while Kostystin will be 25 right ?

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Holland is probably already dreaming of pulling Markov in.

They have Krownwall though, but will that be enough? Big shoes to replace. But like Jersey, will the system prevail?
Big shoes havent been replaced in NJ, and the only success they have since is in regular season...

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i'd rather see Roy as a GM than McGuire.

But i still hope one day that St. Pat will be behind the Habs bench


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