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12-07-2009, 03:50 PM
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Heck no!
I can't believe there are people suggesting trading Carter for big slow wingers like Frolov or Ryan.

Granted he hasn't been playing as well this year as he did last year, but he is still logging huge amounts of important ice time against the other teams' best lines. He's one of the fastest skaters in the league and plays good D while he's at it. He did a great job on the Sedins last week, for example, he logged 27 minutes in shutting down Kovalchuk in the Atlanta game.

He's snakebitten offensively right now, but his size and strength up the middle are the only hope we have of beating the top teams in our conference and competing for the Cup.

If the Flyers trade Carter, it better be to Anaheim for their own first pick in return, because if we have to go with Richards, Giroux and Briere as our top three centres, it will probably end up being a lottery pick....

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12-07-2009, 04:06 PM
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For the right return value, my trade bait includes:

Nodl, Pyorala, Timonen, Coburn, Carter, Richards, Giroux, Briere, Gagne.
as a leaf fan i cant believe you guys even discuss moving players like carter or giroux


not to start a war but strictly for friendly discussion purposes what positions would you like to improve on? the leafs need a lot of pieces but most importantly is someone to play with kessel aka a center who can keep up. if there is no one on the leafs that you find interesting thats fine but you dont need to get worked up about it. i would say the only player not in play is kessel. everything else you can draw from. we dont have a first this year or next also, so keep that in mind.

could something like poni and kadri for giroux be discussed? kadri is a recent 7th overall and a center as well (giroux was 22nd overall i think?). poni would do well on your wing as well playing with carter or richards. would you prefer a player who can step in right away and contribute or can you wait a few years for kadri to develop?

would you prefer a deal around schenn for giroux as the focal point?

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12-07-2009, 04:27 PM
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Carcillo, Emery, Cote and Asham are very disposable right now. All should be traded ASAP if you ask me. Trade Emery and Carcillo and maybe something else for Harding. Cote and Asham... I don't know.
Nobody wants Emery!! You guys were THE only ones to take a chance on him(because of your cap issues). He's a cancer and you can keep him!!! All the others are goons( a dime a dozen)!!

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12-07-2009, 04:29 PM
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as a leaf fan i cant believe you guys even discuss moving players like carter or giroux
Don't lump me in with these people! Trading Hartnell, Carter, Richards, or Giroux would be absurd at this point. These guys are already stars in the NHL and haven't even reached their prime yet. I would, however, consider Gagne and Briere expendable. I really like both players, but for their salaries and injury history, I wouldn't be upset if they were traded to make some cap space for a nice addition. I would like to see another SOLID defender and faceoff specialist be brought in because though our defense is pretty good, another real good defender would put this team over the top. Faceoffs have been a problem in Philly for what it seems like is forever.

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12-07-2009, 04:38 PM
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Nobody wants Emery!! You guys were THE only ones to take a chance on him(because of your cap issues). He's a cancer and you can keep him!!! All the others are goons( a dime a dozen)!!

GOOD LUCK
Thanks for trolling.... ass. Also I love this locker room cancer thing. He hasnt done **** or talked **** in the locker room but thanks for trying.

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as a leaf fan i cant believe you guys even discuss moving players like carter or giroux
Well, maybe for two first round picks... oh, wait...

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12-07-2009, 06:54 PM
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Nobody wants Emery!! You guys were THE only ones to take a chance on him(because of your cap issues). He's a cancer and you can keep him!!! All the others are goons( a dime a dozen)!!

GOOD LUCK
You don't need to come over here all grumpy and bitter just because you feel left out without a team in your city.

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12-07-2009, 07:16 PM
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Don't lump me in with these people! Trading Hartnell, Carter, Richards, or Giroux would be absurd at this point. These guys are already stars in the NHL and haven't even reached their prime yet. I would, however, consider Gagne and Briere expendable. I really like both players, but for their salaries and injury history, I wouldn't be upset if they were traded to make some cap space for a nice addition. I would like to see another SOLID defender and faceoff specialist be brought in because though our defense is pretty good, another real good defender would put this team over the top. Faceoffs have been a problem in Philly for what it seems like is forever.
The GM's follow hockey aswell you know. We won't get anything in return by moving players with well documentet injury history. Especially if they are overpaid like most people think they are.
Carter, Carle/Coburn are the most expendable for me. I would want some instant help in return if we trade one of them tho.

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12-07-2009, 08:46 PM
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so carter's available?

please

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so carter's available?

please
not really

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Carter + 1st for Kaberle?


*ducks*

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Carter + 1st for Kaberle?


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Coburn needs to stop sucking.

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There's a difference between who's expendable and who's a good idea to get rid of. For instance, I would classify Pyorala as expendable, but I also think that it would be a mistake getting rid of him.

OKT, Cote, one of Asham or Powe, Gagne depending on our cap troubles and whether or not he re-signs for cheap, and Briere is an arguable one.

Coburn is by far the most expendable person on this team right now though.

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There are two kinds of players on this team: those who have no trade clauses, and those who are expendable.

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12-07-2009, 11:02 PM
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I'm starting to think that we're missing Gagne more then I've given him credit for the past few years.

We're losing games by 1-2 goals, giving up goals on the PK and the PP is cold. Well Gagne is a PPG player, who logs solid minutes on both the PK and PP as well as being a good even str 2 way player.

2 months ago Briere/Gagne would have been at the top of my list to go bye bye.

Now I'm wondering if Kimmo has lost a step or if Coburn is really dragging him down that bad and needs to go.

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12-08-2009, 12:19 AM
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I'm starting to think that we're missing Gagne more then I've given him credit for the past few years.

We're losing games by 1-2 goals, giving up goals on the PK and the PP is cold. Well Gagne is a PPG player, who logs solid minutes on both the PK and PP as well as being a good even str 2 way player.

2 months ago Briere/Gagne would have been at the top of my list to go bye bye.

Now I'm wondering if Kimmo has lost a step or if Coburn is really dragging him down that bad and needs to go.
Is it just me or are Gagne and Bergeron very similar in style, usefulness and injuries? I am not talking trade at all, but Bergeron is having a great year and I see Gagne being the same in Philly when he is back.

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I'd say trade Carter for Bergeron. Straight up. Bergeron is at least more of a responsible player over Carter. Carter just looks lazy.

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I'd say trade Carter for Bergeron. Straight up. Bergeron is at least more of a responsible player over Carter. Carter just looks lazy.
Bergeron is awesome, I will say that.

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12-08-2009, 01:34 AM
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Bergeron is awesome, I will say that.
Bergeron is headed for UFA land in 10/11
Carter will be a RFA.
I wouldnt do the deal straight up for that reason.
Dont get me wrong, I like Bergeron, I just wouldnt do a straight up. The Flyers would have a hole size wise at Center if they did do the deal.

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12-08-2009, 03:09 AM
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I can't believe there are people suggesting trading Carter for big slow wingers like Frolov or Ryan.

Granted he hasn't been playing as well this year as he did last year, but he is still logging huge amounts of important ice time against the other teams' best lines. He's one of the fastest skaters in the league and plays good D while he's at it. He did a great job on the Sedins last week, for example, he logged 27 minutes in shutting down Kovalchuk in the Atlanta game.

He's snakebitten offensively right now, but his size and strength up the middle are the only hope we have of beating the top teams in our conference and competing for the Cup.

If the Flyers trade Carter, it better be to Anaheim for their own first pick in return, because if we have to go with Richards, Giroux and Briere as our top three centres, it will probably end up being a lottery pick....
First of all, Ryan and Frolov are not slow. Just because they're not as fast as Carter doesn't mean they're slow.
Secondly both of them can do alot of things Carter can't. Like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuY0gtMRXr8

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0cQ8to6HVc

I'm not saying trade Carter straight up for either of them, but I hate it when people are so biased they can't see any weaknesses in any of the top players on the team and simply underestimates alot of players on other NHL teams.

What good is Carters size if he can't use it? And I'm not talking about hitting people, I don't care if he's a big hitter or not. But he doesn't use his big frame in traffic or to hold of defenders in the corners. Jeff Carter might aswell be 5'9, nobody would know the difference.

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I just wish everyone can get out of this ridiculous slump... and I wish everyone was useful, but it's kind of hard right now. It's easy to point blame, but it's the team as a whole, not necessarily the individual.

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I'm starting to think that we're missing Gagne more then I've given him credit for the past few years.
Me, too. I don't really like the guy but it is a long long long looooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggg way down from him to Pyorala or Giroux or JVR or whomever else has replaced him in the top six. LONG way down.

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I just wish everyone can get out of this ridiculous slump... and I wish everyone was useful, but it's kind of hard right now. It's easy to point blame, but it's the team as a whole, not necessarily the individual.
I still feel like we chase the puck too much instead of position ourselves to get it. All the effort in the world is uneccesary if you can just show a little discipline and anticipation and be in the right spot rather then tunnel visioning the puck all game. We end up in mad scrambles much too often. And consistently poor clears out of the defensive zone, which have plagued this team since I can remember, are just as much out of a system built to fail as players not doing their job. Its tough enough to play in the NHL, why make it even harder on the players.

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What good is Carters size if he can't use it? And I'm not talking about hitting people, I don't care if he's a big hitter or not. But he doesn't use his big frame in traffic or to hold of defenders in the corners. Jeff Carter might aswell be 5'9, nobody would know the difference.
The whole "shouldering" people off the puck, that I'm sure worked really well for him in major junior/AHL is getting old. It does look lazy, as do his bad angle shots that miss the net from right outside the circles with a defender on him. Is he really planning to snipe a corner from that distance? At least get it low to the ice and on net for a rebound.

John Stevens said it best a few games ago. Hockey is simple. Get shots on goal (not blocked or wide) and bang rebounds. We're shooting ourselves in the foot looking for 1 too many passes or shooting high and wide from the top of the circle instead of just getting on net.

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12-08-2009, 11:13 AM
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I would shop Carle around for upcoming UFA d-men (that makes less money) and a pick or a prospect back or even both.… Carle’s numbers are good. Thank you Pronger. Time to sell high and shake things up.

I would not want to move anyone else.

And for those that want to trade Carter.. How many 40 goal scorers Flyers drafted since.. lets say 90s. Not including Carter. One?


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