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12-09-2009, 06:36 PM
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seeing as you don't have a clue what you are talking about I will inform you that we are ONLY without our 2010 1st round pick... we had our 2009 (Erixon) and still have our 2011
this whole thread is crap sutter isn't gonna do ****. where arguably the best team in the west. only good move would be to ship out sarich

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12-09-2009, 06:49 PM
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this whole thread is crap sutter isn't gonna do ****. where arguably the best team in the west. only good move would be to ship out sarich

Only good move? Moving Sarich would be very bad.

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12-09-2009, 07:02 PM
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Only good move? Moving Sarich would be very bad.
yeah he lays a big hit occasionally and is very physical.

-3.6 mil for 3 more years
-0 g 2 a in 17 games
-ranked 5th in icetime for dmen on the flames.
-minor system is filled with guys similar to his style of play

if Giordano wasn't doing so well i wouldn't be saying this

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12-09-2009, 07:38 PM
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yeah he lays a big hit occasionally and is very physical.

-3.6 mil for 3 more years
-0 g 2 a in 17 games
-ranked 5th in icetime for dmen on the flames.
-minor system is filled with guys similar to his style of play

if Giordano wasn't doing so well i wouldn't be saying this
To go point by point...

- Go look at Jeff Finger's contract. Sarich >>>> Finger
- Not what Sarich is here for.
- Giordano's ice time is higher because Sarich doesn't play the PP, he does.
- The "minor system" (I'm sure you meant farm system) is also full of guys not ready to step into the NHL to play a shut down role.

With injuries mounting on the d-corps, and D. Sutter's penchant for maintaining numbers on D going into the playoffs, moving Sarich is a non-starter.

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12-09-2009, 07:41 PM
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look at finger are u kidding. look at cam barker and brent seabrook.

we need to get better at face offs. we beat san jose without sarich i think hes expendable.

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12-09-2009, 08:16 PM
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look at finger are u kidding. look at cam barker and brent seabrook.

we need to get better at face offs. we beat san jose without sarich i think hes expendable.
the Hurricanes beat the Penguins without Cam Ward he must be expendable too

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12-09-2009, 08:28 PM
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the Hurricanes beat the Penguins without Cam Ward he must be expendable too
cam ward won the stanley cup in his rookie season.

corey sarich in 57 playoff games in his entire playing career. hes got 7 assists.

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12-09-2009, 11:18 PM
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cam ward won the stanley cup in his rookie season.

corey sarich in 57 playoff games in his entire playing career. hes got 7 assists.
If you seriously think that is what its all about being a shut down D man you've got it all wrong. Sarich shuts a guy down into the boards or ties him up so his partner can come in for the puck and pass it up the ice... any assist for him is a bonus, ITS NOT HIS JOB.

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12-09-2009, 11:20 PM
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corey sarich in 57 playoff games in his entire playing career. hes got 7 assists.

He's also got a Stanley Cup ring (unfortunately ).

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12-09-2009, 11:27 PM
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He's also got a Stanley Cup ring (unfortunately ).
hes not worth the money

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12-09-2009, 11:30 PM
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hes not worth the money

I disagree.

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12-10-2009, 12:26 AM
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hes not worth the money
Why? You still haven't bothered to make a valid point in this matter.

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12-10-2009, 12:45 AM
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hes not worth the money
how many VETERAN top 4 defensemen make under 3.6 million?... look at other contracts out there and tell me his isn't at least 'market value'
  • Kim Johnsson - 4.850
  • Rob Blake - 4.000
  • Brett Clark - 3.500
  • Mike Rathje - 3.500 (yeah he's still getting paid)
  • Marek Zidlicky - 3.350
  • Derek Morris - 3.300
  • Ruslan Salei - 3.025
  • Adam Foote - 3.000
  • Andy Sutton - 3.000

and thats just 2010 UFAs making 3 million or more... do I need to list more?... do you need the 2011 UFA defensemen and what they are making too?

since I have a feeling you are about as dense as a concrete wall I will give you a sample of that list too...
  • Ed Jovanovski - 6.5000
  • Bryan McCabe - 5.750
  • Roman Hamrlik - 5.500
  • Scott Hannan - 4.500
  • Eric Brewer - 4.250

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yeah he lays a big hit occasionally and is very physical.

-3.6 mil for 3 more years
-0 g 2 a in 17 games
-ranked 5th in icetime for dmen on the flames.
-minor system is filled with guys similar to his style of play

if Giordano wasn't doing so well i wouldn't be saying this
3.6m for a defense man like him is just fine. Go over the contracts of some Dmen in this league before you start spewing ****. He is fair market value.

He is not expected to score

I do not give a **** about how much ice time he gets. He's there for 5 on 5 and pk time and he does a good job at it.

Our minor system is filled with guys who have not proven a thing. Our D prospects look good and there is potential to replace Sarich down the road but to trade him this season would be beyond retarded.

The main reasons I want Sarich on this team for the rest of this season is defensive depth and he's a beast in the playoffs. There are certain players that just get the NHL playoffs and raise their game. Sarich is one of those players.

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12-11-2009, 12:30 AM
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gio is doing better then he has ever done. hes are 5th defencemen making 3.6 for 3 more years. im sure he doesnt want to be in that role. i know hes good at what he does but hes gonna have a hard time finding ice time on the team.

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12-11-2009, 09:03 AM
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Someone remind me why we want to trade away a contributor when we're on top of the division?

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12-11-2009, 09:34 AM
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I don't think we need to make any moves. I think the team has really gelled nicely, and if you really think about it, adding new faces when things are going well doesn't seem like a good idea. I don't know the inner workings of the locker room, but it seems like everyone has bought in to the coach's system and there is good team chemistry.

I also like the idea of rotating dudes in with Iggy and Jokinen to mix things up and keep changing our makeup so other teams will need to adjust. I think this will help us come playoff time. I love that we're rolling all the lines and if you play well, you get more ice time, regardless of how much you make.

In response to some of the comments about Sarich, I remember a certain playoff game where Sarich made a huge hit, the crowd went insane and the team came back from a huge deficit. It isn't always about how many goals you get or how many points you have. There are many ways to contribute and be considered an excellent player - especially if you are a defenceman. He *might* be earning on the high end of the scale (for his performance/status), but we don't seem to have cap issues at the moment and we seem to be clicking well.

why would we change anything now?

damn Kipper is playing unbelievable.


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Agreed. Calgary has been looking for a number one center for a very long time why would they give him away when they finally get one?

Either way, our first line would be missing a good piece. Either a great LW or C.
That! Not to mention not having JB if we kept both... this is simple math people!

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cam ward won the stanley cup in his rookie season.

corey sarich in 57 playoff games in his entire playing career. hes got 7 assists.
Are you joking, you must be because that was one of the most out there posts I have seen in a couple years. He is a SHUT DOWN D not Chris Pronger, really

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Someone remind me why we want to trade away a contributor when we're on top of the division?
Totallty, I think if an opporunity comes for a guy like Tabguay Sutter will make a move but when it is not broken.... don't fix it.

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gio is doing better then he has ever done. hes are 5th defencemen making 3.6 for 3 more years. im sure he doesnt want to be in that role. i know hes good at what he does but hes gonna have a hard time finding ice time on the team.
It's "our".

Also, Giordano averages more ice time than Sarich because he is given the opportunity on the PP, where Sarich isn't.

If you are honestly saying you'd rather have Giordano on the ice instead of Sarich when the Flames are defending a one goal lead late in the game, I'll have to agree with Lunatik...

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yeah 2 years and we still got em you'll have wished we traded him

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yeah 2 years and we still got em you'll have wished we traded him
Sarich is a different style of player the Gio, close games you'll see less of Gio and more of Sarich. I like our defensive core and by have a 3.6m 5th defense when injuries happen which they always do we have a quality defensemen to step up and fill the void and ice time.

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yeah 2 years and we still got em you'll have wished we traded him
Again, I must ask you why you think this. You have yet to present a solid argument other than a weak "you'll have wished we traded him". Why will I wish we traded him? Give me SOMETHING.

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Again, I must ask you why you think this. You have yet to present a solid argument other than a weak "you'll have wished we traded him". Why will I wish we traded him? Give me SOMETHING.
I'm guessing injury reasons and decline in play as he gets older. He has an average contract (what we pay him, for what we get) now, and when he starts to play worse as he gets older naturally, the contract could turn bad. But his contract only takes him to 34, so he should be worth that 3.6M until its over.

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