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12-19-2004, 01:49 PM
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12-19-2004, 05:57 PM
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I dont know why so many are picking Danny Markov, yeah i love the guy he is an awesome player with heart but he definately isnt top 10.
Pronger, Blake, Neidermyer, Stevens, Ohlund, Chara, Chelios (he still has the awesome mind), Lidstrom, Kubina and uh... oh say... Malik

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12-19-2004, 06:04 PM
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Hum, Marek Malik are a very nice defensive defensman.

And Derian Hatcher ARE on top 10 DD.

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12-19-2004, 06:13 PM
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12-20-2004, 01:03 PM
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Being great defensively doesnt only mean being a hulk on skates like Hatcher.
Great point. Lidstrom and Numminen are proof of this. They play solid angles, are nearly impossible to beat one-on-one, and are smart and reliable with the puck in their own end.

Which is why I'm a bit surprised that steady guys like Redden or Neidermayer didn't make as many lists as I thought they would.

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12-20-2004, 01:07 PM
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I think he is the underrated Islander dman, much more so than Aucoin. Aucoin gets a lot of attention because of the ridiculous minutes he played, but Kenny J. is the superior defensive dman. Not especially physical, but from a POSTIONAL PERSPECTIVE, one of the best dmen I've ever seen. He is never in the wrong place.

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12-20-2004, 01:09 PM
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I dont think he was mentioned but Aaron Miller is a top 5 Defensive Dman IMO

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12-20-2004, 01:26 PM
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I dont think Lidstrom is a defensive dman, he is a complete player that wins Norris Trophies.

My top 10 in no order.

Chara
Hatcher
Norstrom
Foote
Stevens
A. Miller
Klee
Witt
Warrener
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12-20-2004, 01:28 PM
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I dont think he was mentioned but Aaron Miller is a top 5 Defensive Dman IMO
Miller? Too injury prone and not as good Norstrom. Miller would make the top 30. I don't think he is top 5

 
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Chara
Foote
Norstrom
Klee

.. off the top of my head.

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1.Stevens
2.Chara
3.Lidstrom
4.Ohlund
5.Foote
6.Neidermayer
7.Pronger
8.Norstrom
9.Hatcher
10.Regehr

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12-21-2004, 11:49 AM
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I dont think Lidstrom is a defensive dman, he is a complete player that wins Norris Trophies.

My top 10 in no order.

Chara
Hatcher
Norstrom
Foote
Stevens
A. Miller
Klee
Witt
Warrener
Mclaren
You dont consider Lidstrom to be a good defensive defensman? Why, because he doesnt play physical? That can be the only reason you think this.

People who say that Lidstrom and Scott Neidermayer are not good defensively really make me wonder if they even watch these players play. You have Ken Klee on your list, but no Lidstrom or Neidermayer.

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12-21-2004, 12:01 PM
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You dont consider Lidstrom to be a good defensive defensman? Why, because he doesnt play physical? That can be the only reason you think this.

People who say that Lidstrom and Scott Neidermayer are not good defensively really make me wonder if they even watch these players play. You have Ken Klee on your list, but no Lidstrom or Neidermayer.

Like I said, Lidstrom is a complete player, one that wins the Norris. He scores, he defends, he does it all. Guys like Norstrom, Foote, and Hatcher, they dont score, hence they are "defensive" defensemen. Im not sure why you would think I would acknowledge him as a person that wins the Norris but not consider him good defensively. Now Ill shake my head at you.

Norris Trophy

The James Norris Memorial Trophy is an annual award given to the defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position. The winner is selected in a poll of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association at the end of the regular season.


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12-21-2004, 12:36 PM
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Like I said, Lidstrom is a complete player, one that wins the Norris. He scores, he defends, he does it all. Guys like Norstrom, Foote, and Hatcher, they dont score, hence they are "defensive" defensemen. Im not sure why you would think I would acknowledge him as a person that wins the Norris but not consider him good defensively. Now Ill shake my head at you.

Norris Trophy

The James Norris Memorial Trophy is an annual award given to the defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position. The winner is selected in a poll of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association at the end of the regular season.

Thanks for clarifying what the Norris Trophy is for. But the simple fact that Paul Coffey has won 4 Norris Trophies proves that the award doesnt necessarily go the best "all round" defensman. Coffey was brutal defensivley.

Lidstrom is one of the top 10 DEFENSIVE defensmen in the NHL. As is Scott Niedermayer.

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12-21-2004, 12:39 PM
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So you are saying they dont play offense at all?
Did I say that?

The thread is top DEFENSIVE defensmen in the NHL. Just because Niedermayer and Lidstrom put up points, does not take away from their defensive abilities.

Neidermayer and Lidstrom should be on everybody's list, if you ask me.

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12-21-2004, 12:40 PM
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Thanks for clarifying what the Norris Trophy is for. But the simple fact that Paul Coffey has won 4 Norris Trophies proves that the award doesnt necessarily go the best "all round" defensman. Coffey was brutal defensivley.

Lidstrom is one of the top 10 DEFENSIVE defensmen in the NHL. As is Scott Niedermayer.

Im going by definition here. Are there exceptions to rules, yeah of course.


Nieds and Lidstrom are not top 10 DEFENSIVE defensemen. Since they are money on the blue line that excludes them from being a one dimensional player. The whole thing behind being a DEFENSIVE defensemen is that, that is all you play.

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Pronger
Hannan
Foote
Stevens
Regehr
Chara
Lidstrom
Ohlund
Norstrom
Hatcher

1-10


the best list so far

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12-21-2004, 12:42 PM
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Did I say that?

The thread is top DEFENSIVE defensmen in the NHL. Just because Niedermayer and Lidstrom put up points, does not take away from their defensive abilities.

Neidermayer and Lidstrom should be on everybody's list, if you ask me.

I guess my definition of a DEFENSIVE Dman is different.

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Im going by definition here. Are there exceptions to rules, yeah of course.


Nieds and Lidstrom are not top 10 DEFENSIVE defensemen. Since they are money on the blue line that excludes them from being a one dimensional player. The whole thing behind being a DEFENSIVE defensemen is that, that is all you play.
You have Chara on your list. He was right up there near the top in the Points by defensmen last year.

And nobody said put only defensive oriented defensmen on the list. It simply stated to post the top defensive defensmen. Lidstrom and Neidermayer are just that...top defensive defensmen.

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I guess you dont understand the question.
There is no ONE WAY to interpret this thread.

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You have Chara on your list. He was right up there near the top in the Points by defensmen last year.

And nobody said put only defensive oriented defensmen on the list. It simply stated to post the top defensive defensmen. Lidstrom and Neidermayer are just that...top defensive defensmen.
I never said my list was perfect. While I think Lidstrom is one of the best, I dont consider him a Defensive Defensemen. Ill change my list though to include Souray and Zubov as well as a few others then that no one has mentioned

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12-21-2004, 12:48 PM
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I never said my list was perfect. While I think Lidstrom is one of the best, I dont consider him a Defensive Defensemen. Ill change my list though to include Souray and Zubov as well as a few others then that no one has mentioned

How do you consider Sergei Zubov to be a "defensive" defensman, but not Niedermayer or Lidstrom?

I guess we have to agree to disagree.

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How do you consider Sergei Zubov to be a "defensive" defensman, but not Niedermayer or Lidstrom?

I guess we have to agree to disagree.

Damn dude, you are thick.

First I explain myself in my original post that Lidstrom wasnt on my list because I didnt consider him a DEFENSIVE defensemen but gave him props as being an all around player and you dont seem to comprehend that, then you say its open to interpetation, so I respond then that if we are talking about all around players as well, then Zubov would need to be included. Is English your first or second language?

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Damn dude, you are thick.

First I explain myself in my original post that Lidstrom wasnt on my list because I didnt consider him a DEFENSIVE defensemen but gave him props as being an all around player and you dont seem to comprehend that, then you say its open to interpetation, so I respond then that if we are talking about all around players as well, then Zubov would need to be included. Is English your first or second language?
Wow, relax. You never said you "changed" your interpretation. If you did, you didnt express it very well.

Like I said. Lets agree to disagree.

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