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12-10-2009, 09:55 AM
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Same S***, Different Year.

As I said, Tortorella was the right man to give the team a kick in the pants to make the playoffs. However, it seems that his magic has worn off.
I guess I must have missed the magic.

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12-10-2009, 10:00 AM
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Has Torts ever had this team?
Yes but they just suck.

We don't have a top 6 forward outside of Gaborik. These forwards would have a hard time making the rosters of half the teams in the league.
I'm not sure what coach would win with this team. They just aren't very good. My only problem with Tortorella is he changes lines too much and keeps trying to send a message at times that make no sense.

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I guess I must have missed the magic.
It was was more like an illusion than anything else.

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12-10-2009, 10:02 AM
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Yes but they just suck.

We don't have a top 6 forward outside of Gaborik. These forwards would have a hard time making the rosters of half the teams in the league.
I'm not sure what coach would win with this team. They just aren't very good. My only problem with Tortorella is he changes lines too much and keeps trying to send a message at times that make no sense.
The 04 team had less talent than this team.

OK they suck. Why do they suck?

Personally, I would love to see what Renney would do with this team.

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12-10-2009, 10:02 AM
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This is what happens when your entire team consists of 3rd liners and 2nd-3rd pairing D-men.

We have one forward who can carry his line. That's not nearly enough.

How can the Islanders battle so hard every game and we can't for one frigging game?

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12-10-2009, 10:03 AM
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The 04 team had less talent than this team.

OK they suck. Why do they suck?

Personally, I would love to see what Renney would do with this team.
You and me both.

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12-10-2009, 10:05 AM
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This is what happens when your entire team consists of 3rd liners and 2nd-3rd pairing D-men.

How can the Islanders battle so hard and we can't?
The Rangers think they're a good team.

The Islanders don't.

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12-10-2009, 10:07 AM
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The 04 team had less talent than this team.

OK they suck. Why do they suck?

Personally, I would love to see what Renney would do with this team.
Pretty sure we'd have a lot of low scoring wins with Gaborik. A lot of 1-1, 2-2 games, and a lot of shootout wins.

People would still complain about how this team "plays not to lose" and how they arent exciting enough.

Personally, I'd enjoy it. Because playing not to lose is better than playing to lose. And winning in shootouts is better than losing in regulation.

But maybe thats just me.

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The Rangers think they're a good team.

The Islanders don't.
It's time for a wakeup call then. Note to lazy Rangers bums: Your only chance of winning games is to outwork your opponents in every aspect of the game, because you're obviously not skilled enough to do anything else.

I don't think people would be nearly as pissed if they at least gave what looks like an effort once and then.

It looks like a collective who just drags their shoes to work to collect their paychecks.

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12-10-2009, 10:08 AM
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The 04 team had less talent than this team.

OK they suck. Why do they suck?

Personally, I would love to see what Renney would do with this team.

Try to score 1 maybe 2 goals if we're lucky and have Henrik win the game for us.

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12-10-2009, 10:09 AM
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The 04 team had less talent than this team.

OK they suck. Why do they suck?

Personally, I would love to see what Renney would do with this team.
I'll take Messier, Kovalev, Leetch, Lindros, Nedved, Jagr, Holik, Rucinsky, Kasparatis, Tyutin (ok he only played his first 25 games of his rookie season), over this group of bums any day. Unfortunately, the difference is that you had Mike Dunham in net, a shady ass defense, no chemistry, a country club atmosphere, and a crappy coach.

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It's time for a wakeup call then. Note to lazy Rangers bums: Your only chance of winning games is to outwork your opponents in every aspect of the game, because you're obviously not skilled enough.
Unfortunately, it might take missing the playoffs to get the point across.

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12-10-2009, 10:16 AM
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I'll take Messier, Kovalev, Leetch, Lindros, Nedved, Jagr, Holik, Rucinsky, Kasparatis, Tyutin (ok he only played his first 25 games of his rookie season), over this group of bums any day. Unfortunately, the difference is that you had Mike Dunham in net, a shady ass defense, no chemistry, a country club atmosphere, and a crappy coach.
Sorry, I mean the 06 team. First team after the lockout.

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12-10-2009, 10:20 AM
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Dont blame the kids for what is happening.
Saying that a rookie made a mistake is not the same as blaming them.

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How can the Islanders battle so hard every game and we can't for one frigging game?
Scott Gordon.

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12-10-2009, 10:22 AM
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Sorry, I mean the 06 team. First team after the lockout.
Fair enough. Although that year was a strange year when you have guys like Prucha & Gomez putting up 30 goals and Gianta putting up 48. Also, Jagr having the single best season in franchise history was a big help as well.

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12-10-2009, 10:37 AM
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Sorry, I mean the 06 team. First team after the lockout.
That team was pretty much the same as the one we have now, except that Prucha, Rucisnky, and then Sykora provided some secondary scoring. We had 0 dman scoring that year. Point is, it wasnt coincidence we got swept.

The 07-08 and to a lesser extent 06-07 teams were much better though.

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12-10-2009, 12:40 PM
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Is this an experiment? It's like groundhogs day. Same complaints/problems since 1994. Was that year a fluke? Should we really expect any different? When will everyone realize that this organization is clueless in how to "build" a team, with a team philosophy. Lets use the red wings, devils, and sabres as examples. Very rarely do these teams have down years. They have the right combination of players, all buying into the system. They compete every night. Why don't we get it?


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12-10-2009, 01:21 PM
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I'm sorry, but I feel Drurys "quiet lead by example" approach just comes off as not caring to other players and its rubbing off. Torts seems like hes lost this team faster than Renney ever could.

I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to pin this on Captain Cash but he's the one constant in this who's in a leadership position.

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12-10-2009, 01:26 PM
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I'm sorry, but I feel Drurys "quiet lead by example" approach just comes off as not caring to other players and its rubbing off. Torts seems like hes lost this team faster than Renney ever could.

I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to pin this on Captain Cash but he's the one constant in this who's in a leadership position.
That's a good point. The same thing happened in Buffalo.


..wait a minute.

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I'm sorry, but I feel Drurys "quiet lead by example" approach just comes off as not caring to other players and its rubbing off. Torts seems like hes lost this team faster than Renney ever could.

I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to pin this on Captain Cash but he's the one constant in this who's in a leadership position.
I agree, I like Drury"s character and work ethic, but as far as leadership goes, he is not effective. Too quiet. He can't make the team any more skillful but some emotion could really help. I'd like to see this team get pissed off and it should start with him.

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That's a good point. The same thing happened in Buffalo.


..wait a minute.
Wasn't he a co captain with Briere? Perhaps we should take the same approach and give a C to Prospal. The fire to Dru's ice. Nice try though.

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Wasn't he a co captain with Briere? Perhaps we should take the same approach and give a C to Prospal. The fire to Dru's ice. Nice try though.
He was, but the point is that I'm not sure his leadership, or his style of leadership, is the root of the problem for this team.

It's one thing for leadership in Philly to be questioned, given the amount of talent on that team, but we've got a team full of historically "calm" or "boring" players. People wanted more fire from the coach, and it's really gotten us nowhere. That's not to mention that nobody here really knows what's said by the leaders of the team when the mics aren't around.

If stripping Drury of the C will make this team a contender, I'm all for it, but I simply don't think that's the case. You can motivate players all you want, but that doesn't turn 3rd liners into 1st liners, or rookies into seasoned veterans.

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He was, but the point is that I'm not sure his leadership, or his style of leadership, is the root of the problem for this team.

It's one thing for leadership in Philly to be questioned, given the amount of talent on that team, but we've got a team full of historically "calm" or "boring" players. People wanted more fire from the coach, and it's really gotten us nowhere. That's not to mention that nobody here really knows what's said by the leaders of the team when the mics aren't around.

If stripping Drury of the C will make this team a contender, I'm all for it, but I simply don't think that's the case. You can motivate players all you want, but that doesn't turn 3rd liners into 1st liners, or rookies into seasoned veterans.
I completely agree with you there that stripping him of the C will not propel us into contenders. And my point is based purely on speculation.

but we have to remember, this rangers team is different from others lately because its so young. To a season vet or a guy with say 4+ years of experience, I could see Drurys leadership perfect. But we've got a LOT of young guys on thsi team now and I just dont think his quiet demeanor is all they should be exposed to.

Give a guy like Prospal the C and watch him pump guys up or get on them if they do bad (not in a Torts fiery coach kind of way but as a player). As I said, this is complete speculation, but I'm really sick of seeing this team emulate Dru's attitude, but not his "work ethic".

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Perhaps we can try to fool NHLPA that since Drury is the invisible captain, he is now considered staff personnel. Then he can be laid of due to "problems with the economy."

Or just frame him for stealing staplers and just fire him. Can a NHL player be suspended indefinitely for stealing staplers?

Ok, any volunteers on this board who's really agile and has a history in the art of burglary and intrudence (no, I know you too well: no dirty thoughts allowed!)? It also helps if you really want to get Drury off this team, otherwise I will consider you a spy if you're applying.


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You can't win games by chasing the puck all game long, which happened yesterday.

And when we get a lead or tie a game. We can't seem to build any momentum out of it either. There's no drive.

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