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12-20-2004, 03:22 PM
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it doesn't matter. Icewind Dale just gave Kerry Fraser a new set of eyes and the Kings have already been eliminated by the 1993 Stanley cup champion Toronto Maple Leafs.

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93. Kerry Fraser chooses not to ignore Gretzky's highstick resulting in the great one going off for a penalty. With Gretz in the box, the Kings don't score and the Leafs aren't robbed of what would have been one of the best Stanley Cup finals ever. Leafs vs Canadiens with Toronto winning in 6.

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12-20-2004, 03:25 PM
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it doesn't matter. Icewind Dale just gave Kerry Fraser a new set of eyes and the Kings have already been eliminated by the 1993 Stanley cup champion Toronto Maple Leafs.
Its Gretzky. He gets one "gimme" a game. Its in the rulebook.

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SC Finals game 3.

Sean Hills doesn't take a stupid penalty, Detroit doesn't score on the following power-play and the 'Canes win in regulation instead of loosing in 3 OTs. Carolina takes a 2-1 lead in the sieres and goes on to win the cup.

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Pelle Lindberg doesn't die.

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Michel Therrien doesn't raise his arms while wearing a mustard-yellow jacket......

.... Habs vs Leafs Conference finals 2002.

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Habs trade Mark Recchi, Mathieu Garon and Martin Rucinsky in January 1999 for Pavel Bure, who teams with Saku Koivu, who both avoid injuries. The two go one to become one of the highest scoring duos in the league for the ext 5 years and lead the Habs to the Cup final in 2002.


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Jack Vickers gets a talented GM. The Rockies avoid becoming a hot potato and don't spend their stay under the pall of heading to Jersey.

GM who can find his ass with two hands doesn't trade away top five picks to contending teams. Picks Ray Bourque instead of Ramage with the 1st in 1979. Doesn't trade Barry Beck. When he drafts DU players he picks the right ones like Glenn Andersen and Kevin Dineen. Builds enough young talent to make Rockie Hockey a contender and the team stays in Denver. I don't have to hear that "Colorado fans think the NHL started in 1996." crap, no one turns retiring Ray Bourque's number into an issue and our expansion baseball team is christened the Bears.

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12-20-2004, 07:36 PM
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Jack Vickers gets a talented GM. The Rockies avoid becoming a hot potato and don't spend their stay under the pall of heading to Jersey.

GM who can find his ass with two hands doesn't trade away top five picks to contending teams. Picks Ray Bourque instead of Ramage with the 1st in 1979. Doesn't trade Barry Beck. When he drafts DU players he picks the right ones like Glenn Andersen and Kevin Dineen. Builds enough young talent to make Rockie Hockey a contender and the team stays in Denver. I don't have to hear that "Colorado fans think the NHL started in 1996." crap, no one turns retiring Ray Bourque's number into an issue and our expansion baseball team is christened the Bears.
I think your better of with what actually happened. Had the Rockies stayed most likley you wouldn't have Sakic, Forsberg, Roy, ect. I wouldn't risk replacing the 2 time Cup winning Avs for a who-knows-how-many-Cup-won-maybe-none Rockies.

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12-20-2004, 07:49 PM
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GM who can find his ass with two hands doesn't trade away top five picks to contending teams. Picks Ray Bourque instead of Ramage with the 1st in 1979.
Hasbro, I am working on a Colorado Rockies scenario right now. Watch for it sometime tonight or tommorow.

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12-20-2004, 08:11 PM
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I think your better of with what actually happened. Had the Rockies stayed most likley you wouldn't have Sakic, Forsberg, Roy, ect. I wouldn't risk replacing the 2 time Cup winning Avs for a who-knows-how-many-Cup-won-maybe-none Rockies.
Yeah, it'm thankful for what we have, but the franchise won the cup in Jersey and it would have saved us 13 years in the wilderness.

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Hasbro, I am working on a Colorado Rockies scenario right now. Watch for it sometime tonight or tommorow.


I'm trying to do some research on them now that I'm on break.

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12-20-2004, 10:59 PM
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The Back Story:



September 1972: The WHA is formed as an attempt at creating a rival league for the NHL. NHL President Clarence Campbell and NHLPA leader Alan Eagleson work together to prevent players from joining the renegade league by matching all offers by WHA teams to their players.



July 1977: After years of struggling to compete with the NHL, the WHA, which has become more of a competition for the International hockey league has implemented a rule that allows its clubs to pursue players under the age of 20, who weren’t eligible for the NHL draft. The NHL responded by lowering it’s draft age to 18.



September 1978: On opening night of the WHA season, the league announces it is going to cease operations. The only players it managed to lure away from NHL clubs are career minor leaguers and aged veterans. Some players return to the American Hockey League, other fade into obscurity.



January 1979: The NHL lost a team in the 1978-79 season when the Gund brother merged the Cleveland Barons and the Minnesota North Stars. The now 17 team league announces it will add 3 teams in the 1979-80 season. The teams will be located in Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Quebec. This will double the number of Canadian based teams to 6.



Dateline: Rocky Mountain High: Gretzky arrives!



June 1979: The Colorado Rockies GM Ray Miron takes to the Stage. “With the first pick in the 1979 NHL draft, the Colorado Rockies select from the Soo Grey hounds of the Ontario Hockey League, Center Wayne Gretzky. A Rockie Blue white, orange and Red sweater with the #99 awaits the future of the struggling franchise. Rockie coach Don Cherry, who will be Gretzky’s first NHL coach is ecstatic. “This is the beginning of a new era in Colorado hockey history!” claims the bench boss.



1979-80season:

October 1979: And the people in Denver don’t have long to wait. Gretzky, with Rene Robert on his Left wing and Wilf Paiement to his right, scores 39 seconds into his first NHL shift.



December 29, 1979: The Rockies despite Gretzky’s phenomenal start (35-19-41-60) sport a 8-22-5 record, but GM Ray Miron receives a late Christmas gift from the Toronto Maple Leafs: 27 year old Right Wing Lanny McDonald along with 21 year old defensemen Joel Quenneville for right wingers Ron Delorme and Wilf Paiement.



February 1980: Do you believe in Miracles? YES! The United States win Gold in the Olympics, beating the Big Red Machine from Moscow during Gretzky's rookie year. Interest in hockey reaches an all-time high in the United States.



March 1980: Fuelled by the high octane line of Rene Robert, Wayne Gretzky, and Lanny McDonald, and with a young supporting cast, including future all star d-man Barry Beck the Rockies finish the season with a record of 28 wins, 39 losses, and 14 ties for 69 points and an 15th overall finish. In the playoffs they meet the 2nd overall Buffalo Sabres and are defeated three games to none. Wayne Gretzky wins the Calder trophy for Rookie of the year, the Hart trophy as most valuable player, and Art Ross trophy as league scoring champion. There is reason for optimism in Colorado.



May 1980: The big three networks in the United States are battling for the NHL television contract. The NHL settles on a lucrative deal with ABC to televise Sunday afternoon hockey with Al Michaels as their lead announcer.



June 1980: At the entry draft, the Rockies drafting 6th overall, select defensemen Paul Coffey. He immediately steps into the line up, and shows extreme promise. Another draftee, Aaron Broten makes his debut late in the season.



1980-81 season: The Rockies continue their improvement with their young superstar leading the way. Lanny McDonald and Wayne Gretzky have become the most prolific combination in the league. . Gretzky scores 164 points to win his second consecutive scoring title, while McDonald enjoys the best year of his career scoring 60 goals. Rookie Merlin Malinowski who played 10 games in 1979-80 has emerged as a strong second line complement, scoring 62 points. Barry Beck anchors the blue line. To solve the goaltending problems that hurt the team in the playoffs, the Rockies acquire Gilles Gilbert from the Boston Bruins for Walt McKechnie and a 4th round draft pick. The move pays dividends, as Gilbert is able to give the high-octane offense the support it lacked during Hardy Astrom’s tenure. The Rockies finish the season with 74 points and in a stunning upset, defeat the Montreal Canadiens in 4 games in the first round of the playoffs. In the second round the Rockies are swept in 4 straight by the eventual cup champion Islanders, but they have served notice: Rockie hockey will be a force to reckon with in years to come.



1981 draft: The Rockies Hire a new GM in the off-season. The man is Craig Patrick, who had been the GM of the 1980 United States hockey team at the Olympics. His first move was to shore up the Rockies goaltending. With an aging Gilles Gilbert in goal, and the hapless Hardy Astrom as back up, Patrick makes a move almost unheard of, when the Rockies select Grant Fuhr 7th overall in the entry draft. In the second round, they hit another home run: Defensemen Chris Chelios.



1981-82 season: The Rockies add another piece to the puzzle, yet again at the expense of the Toronto Maple Leafs in January 1982. Darryl Sittler had been banished from the team and the Rockies swooped in at the urging of coach Cherry and captain Lanny McDonald. They deal off-season acquisition Dwight Foster, along with a third round choice in the 1982 draft for the disgruntled former Leafs captain. Sittler is reunited with McDonald and Merlin “the Magician” Malinowski has been promoted to a line with the “Great” Gretzky. The Rockies now have two of the most dangerous lines in the league. Grant Fuhr proves to be an astute pick playing 40 games while sharing duties with Gilbert. The Rockies finish the season strong, compiling 94 points and finishing first in the Smythe division. The Rockies defeat the Los Angeles Kings in the first round 3-0; the Vancouver Canucks fall 4-2 in the 2nd round. In the Campbell Conference Final the Rockies defeat the Chicago Black Hawks to advance to the cup final against the two time defending champion New York Islanders. The Rockies fall in 5 games to the powerhouse Isles, but have served notice that their time might be now. Gretzky again wins all the major awards.



The 1982 off-season: The NHL announces at the Entry draft that it will be expanding to 22 teams in 1984. There will be franchises added in New Jersey and Calgary. The Rockies select defensemen Ken Daneyko 15th overall. They also draft Pat Verbeek 35th Both step into the line up and help immediately. Rene Robert retires in the off-season as the career leader in points for the franchise. Gretzky will pass him in the upcoming season.



1982-83 season: The Rockies pick up where they left off in 1981-82. They finish second to the Islanders. On the ve of the season Patrick acquired a struggling right-winger from the Edmonton Oilers named Jari Kurri. Kurri had been a 3rd round draft choice of the Oilers but had struggled in Edmonton’s defence first system. Patrick remembering Kurri from the 1980 games sent the Oilers a 2nd round pick for Kurri and placed him on the line with Gretzky and Verbeek. Together they made magic. Gretzky breaks Phil Esposito’s record for goals in a season by scoring 80. He also becomes the first player to score over 200 points. Pat Verbeek wins the Calder for rookie of the year. The Rockies steamroll through the playoffs eliminating Winnipeg in 3 straight; The Edmonton Oilers in 6; The Black hawks in 5 to once again reach the Stanley Cup Final against the defending 3 time champion New York Islanders. This time the Isles are no match for the younger Rockies. A Stanley Cup banner is raised in the McNichol arena when the Rockies defeat the Islanders 4 games to 2.

Epilogue:
  • In 1992 at the age of 31, Wayne Gretzky's contract with the Colorado Rockies expires making him a free agent. Having won 4 cups with the Rockies (1983, 1984, 1987 and 1988) he decides to accept an offer from Cliff Fletcher, the new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs. The Leafs, having picked in the top five since dealing Sittler in 1982 are on the verge of turning their franchise around sign Gretky to a 6 year 60 million dollar contract. Gretzky wins two more Stanley cups in Toronto in 1993 and 1994. Gretzky retires in 1998 as a member of the Colorado Rockies, who floundered in his absence, reacquired him as a free agent in the summer of 1997. The Rockies finish dead last and select Vincent Lecavalier.
  • Don Cherry retires from coaching in 1992 when his premiere player leaves via free agency. He is named to the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1996 in the Builder's category
  • The NHL buoyed by its popularity in the United States expands to 30 teams: Dallas, (1988)San Jose, (1988) Miami, (1990) Cleveland, (1990) Tampa Bay, (1992), Kansas City (1992), Phoenix (1994), and Houston (1994)
  • The New Jersey expansion franchise struggles and eventually leave for Nashville.
  • The Winnipeg franchise leaves Manitoba for Ottawa in the Spring of1995 after failing to procure a new arena deal from the province.

As a result of this rewriting of the history of the Colorado Rockies:
  • The Colorado Rockies never move to New Jersey.
  • Wayne Gretzky plays his whole career in the United States.
  • ABC and ESPN jump on the NHL bandwagon at the height of Gretzky's emergence
  • making the game the 2nd most popular sport in the USA.
  • The Labour disruptions of 1992 and 1994 never happen because the game has revenue streams and television contracts that Goodenow and Bettman can only dream of.
  • Don Cherry doesn't get fired, therefore, no Coach's Corner


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Economics do not force the Oilers to dismantle the dynasty and they reign supreme in the league until age becomes a factor and Detroit and Colorado derail them in 1996.

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In the mid '30s, the New York Americans get their own building on Long Island. Subsequently, the team never folds, Red Dutton never curses the Rangers, and the Blueshirts go on to win about 10 Cups during the "Original 7" era while enjoying one of the strongest and fiercest rivalries in all of sports with the Amerks.


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The British soldiers stationed in Nova Scotia decide to go see some strippers to pass the time instead of shooting a rock with a twig on ice.

Hockey is never invented, no NHL. We are all watching Basketball right now.

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[*]Wayne Gretzky plays his whole career in the United States.
Nice little tale, but that part is incorrect as per your story.

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Igor Grigorenko never gets in that car accident then the are able to bring him over and the Wings have a great kid line

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Nice little tale, but that part is incorrect as per your story.
Yep, I did an edit at the end and forgto to re-adjust that part. I forgot the part where the NHL loses the HNIC deal in 1991 due to falling interest in the sport, re-vived when Gretzky comes to Canada.

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You can change one event that has affected hockey in one way or another. Pick your event and tell what happens if it had or hadn't occured.
Penguins don't trade Paul Coffey and Mark Recchi for Kjell Sammuelson, Ken Wreggett and Rick Tocchet, a trade that sent away 2 guys who continued to be all-stars for 6 years for a back up goal, a #4 defenseman and an over-the-hill power forward.

They win 3 more stanley cups.

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Penguins don't trade Paul Coffey and Mark Recchi for Kjell Sammuelson, Ken Wreggett and Rick Tocchet, a trade that sent away 2 guys who continued to be all-stars for 6 years for a back up goal, a #4 defenseman and an over-the-hill power forward.

They win 3 more stanley cups.
Tocchet was hardly "over the hill" when the Penguins traded for him.

He was coming off seasons where he scored 45, 37 and 40 goals. Tocchet then scored 19 points in just 14 playoff games as the Pens won the Stanley Cup.

The following year, his first full season in Pittsburgh Tocchet scored 48 goals, and had more points than both Francis and Jagr.

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Penguins don't trade Paul Coffey and Mark Recchi for Kjell Sammuelson, Ken Wreggett and Rick Tocchet, a trade that sent away 2 guys who continued to be all-stars for 6 years for a back up goal, a #4 defenseman and an over-the-hill power forward.

They win 3 more stanley cups.
I say they win only 1 cup if they had kept Coffey (the most over-rated player of my lifetime).....Coffey missed the last half of the playoffs during the first Cup run...(had he not been injured I'm not sure they win that cup either).....it was addition by subtraction on that alone.......and Tocchet was harldy over the hill

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Pelle Lindberg doesn't die.
Unfortunately he did, Nov 10, 1985

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I like the Rockies' scenario (very well done) however I could have sworn that Gretzky's 1st draft elligible year would have been 1980, I"ll look into this though.

Here is a link to a Wikipedia article about the NHL entry draft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_Entry_Draft


and another

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Beginning in 1980 and continuing today, any player who is 18-20 years old is eligible to be drafted. In addition, any non-North American player over the age of 20 can be selected.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/draftindex.html


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1979. Draft age lowered to 19 years old. Draft name changed from Amateur draft to Entry Draft.
Here's a link to Gretzky's Hockeydb profile, he would have only been 18 by the time a draft in 1979 took place...

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php3?pid=2035

Well, I obviously have too much time on my hands but there you go.


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Unfortunately he did, Nov 10, 1985
Sharp one here

I'll try to think of another situation with Vancouver.

1970 - Vancouver wins the coin toss, selects Gilbert Perreault #1 overall.

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