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12-11-2009, 07:56 AM
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Callahan for Mueller, straight up? I'd do that.

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12-11-2009, 07:59 AM
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like meuller is gonna be an improvement over cally in that area ?

when you're 5'10 185 lbs, you shouldnt be expected to win every battle for the puck.

i mean this kid is a warrior but hes still smaller than most guys hes matched up against.

take him off the powerplay and give him solid 2nd line minutes. let him forecheck like crazy, take the body and create turnovers. thats his game.
That's not why you trade for Mueller.

Regardless of the season he's having, he steps into the Rangers roster as the most talented center we have.

I don't disagree with your protrayal of Cally, but he's a 3rd liner and needs to be given 3rd line minutes. He is good enough to spot up on the 2nd line, but not good enough for a regular shift there.

Play Cally with Dubi and Anisimov on the 3rd line and let them crash and bang and score their 40+ points each and when Anisimov's talent seperates him fromthose two, move Anisimov to the 2nd line.

I like Cally. I like his style and hustle, but this team is lacking in top end offensive talent, the type of talent that Mueller possesses.

And for the record, at 6'2" and 205 pounds, I could see an improvement in board work by a player 4 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier. Mueller is better at controlling the puck, uses his reach and body to protect the puck better than Cally. He may not be the crash and banging forward that Cally is, but we can bring up Byers for that and let Mueller do what Callahan cannot do, and that is be an offensive player capable of manning the 2nd line cente rposition and eventually the 1st line center position.

I would prefer to keep both Dubi and Cally and still find a way to get Mueller, but if that cannot happen, I'll take the bigger more talented player over Callahan.

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12-11-2009, 08:03 AM
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His Mueller broken 3 pts this year? Guy has done nothing this year and looked bad doing it. I used to be a huge Mueller fan but it is pretty clear at this point that the guy needs a heart transplant.

No way I would move Cally/Dubi for him at this stage.

EDIT: Just checked, he's now up to 6 points.

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Mueller for Callahan would be a solid deal. Mueller is a much more talented player. And I love Cally.

He might be struggling this year, but two years ago as a rookie he put up 22-32-54.

For a team lacking in skill and heavy on grinders, you need to make deals like this even if they hurt a little.

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12-11-2009, 08:05 AM
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Maloney wants Callahan?

Sell, sell now, while 'value' is high.

This kid has zero skill.

If you can get Meuller for Callahan, do it and run.
while meuller has higher upside offensively, im not sold on his skating or his attitude.

no doubt hes got better hands and a sweet shot but, he skates like a sloth.

cally is the one heart and sole guy i would keep. he was given that letter for a reason. to me hes like a mike peca. hes small but he plays bigger. keep him.

not sure i would do dubi though either as i think he could be the centerpiece to larger deal for an impact player which mueller isnt.

nope. for mueller, i think sangs was the right offer. problem is, the yotes have young dmen already so theres no need there.

theres a dialog going though so thats good. i still think brandon dubinsky ends up playing for phoenix soon. just a gut feeling.

something like

dubi /sangs / and a pick

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mueller / hanzal


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Mueller for Callahan?

Where do I sign up and let me get my car ready to drive Cally to the airport?

Only question I have is it going to be JFK, LaGuardia or Westchester airports?

One is a 3rd liner with MAYBE 2nd line potential (Callahan)

The other is a 2nd liner with 1st line potential and talent.

I would do that deal in a heartbeat
Me, too. Loved Mueller in his draft year. He is more talented than Callahan, and younger, with less of a cap hit. Also, at this point, I'd rather deal Gilroy than Sanguinetti.

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A deal with Phoenix is just a way too predictable move at this point.

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A deal with Phoenix is just a way too predictable move at this point.
so then what your saying is its pretty sure to happen.

ok so if donnie wants dubinsky do we do dubi for hanzal then?

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I'd rather send them Dubinsky honestly.

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A deal with Phoenix is just a way too predictable move at this point.
This just exemplifies the fact that, Sather is hated by just about every other GM, except Maloney.

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I don't want deal Sanguinetti. Certainly I would deal Callahan for him. I can't believe Sather said no to that. What's so special about Callahan? I think one of these days Sanguinetti would have more of an impact on the Rangers then Callahan.

Callahan for Mueller make it happen Glen.

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I'd rather send them Dubinsky honestly.
agreed.

prefer to keep cally.

i would offer them dubi and one of the young dmen like sangs or mcd and a 2nd for hanzal and mueller. problem is the yotes have a stud dman in waiting with ekman-larsson and dont need another young dman.

hanzal is very attractive though. 6'5 215 centerman

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Hey crossbar,

didnt we already get our high ceiling forward from Phoenix?

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so then what your saying is its pretty sure to happen.

ok so if donnie wants dubinsky do we do dubi for hanzal then?

To me, that's a downgrade.

Hanzal has shown no signs of being an equal player to Brandon offensively and both are pretty decent defensively with Hanzal getting the slight edge there, but this team doesn't need defensive centers. They need offensive centers and if you are worried about Mueller under-achieving, those concerns should be more prevalent with Hanzal as he has been ALOT worse than Mueller in that regards.

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so then what your saying is its pretty sure to happen.

ok so if donnie wants dubinsky do we do dubi for hanzal then?
I doubt it. They love Hanzal in Phoenix.

I'm not surprised Maloney asked for Cally or Dubinsky. They have a decent defensive core as is, with a couple good prospects in the AHL as well as Ekman-Larsson who they drafted this year.

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His Mueller broken 3 pts this year? Guy has done nothing this year and looked bad doing it. I used to be a huge Mueller fan but it is pretty clear at this point that the guy needs a heart transplant.

No way I would move Cally/Dubi for him at this stage.

EDIT: Just checked, he's now up to 6 points.
And Callahan has 9, so I'll take my chances adding the more talented player.

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I don't want deal Sanguinetti. Certainly I would deal Callahan for him. I can't believe Sather said no to that. What's so special about Callahan? I think one of these days Sanguinetti would have more of an impact on the Rangers then Callahan.

Callahan for Mueller make it happen Glen.
Callahan has the right attitude, he is the guy that no one will ever dislike or talk bad about in the locker room. He's a worker... He doesn't demand a raise before he does anything to prove it.

I'd rather keep him around for at least a couple more years than Dubinsky.


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I doubt it. They love Hanzal in Phoenix.

I'm not surprised Maloney asked for Cally or Dubinsky. They have a decent defensive core as is, with a couple good prospects in the AHL as well as Ekman-Larsson who they drafted this year.
Sangs for Boedker, they both play in the AHL so they must be equal

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Do people saying they would do Callahan for Mueller in a heartbeat realize that Mueller only has 6 points on the year (less then Cally)?

I'm not saying I wouldn't be opposed to the deal, but I can't blame Sather too much for not taking the offer. If he even got the offer that is, I find Brooks' credibility a little iffy after his article about Orpik.

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I don't see any moves with PHX making a major impact.
If we're going to trade guys who actually have some value (Dubi apparently does) wait until the deadline and if we're sellers make a move for the future. Hope for an amnesty buyout in the off-season and buy-out Drury.

Sangs was the right offer in all of this, and the most I would give them at this point. I don't think Callahan straight up would get it done, I think the full offer PHX wants would be Sangs/Cally for Mueller which is too much at this point in time imo.

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To me, that's a downgrade.

Hanzal has shown no signs of being an equal player to Brandon offensively and both are pretty decent defensively with Hanzal getting the slight edge there, but this team doesn't need defensive centers. They need offensive centers and if you are worried about Mueller under-achieving, those concerns should be more prevalent with Hanzal as he has been ALOT worse than Mueller in that regards.
god no.

dubinsky has no offensive talent whatsoever. he just doesnt. hes a 3rd line centerman.

hanzal is 6'5 215 and he can skate. hes much more skilled than brandon. hes a 2c waiting to happen.

hanzals upside > dubinsky.

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Get rid of Callahan and how are you going to make up 400 hits per season? Rozsival?

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Get rid of Callahan and how are you going to make up 400 hits per season? Rozsival?
Haha, good point also

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This just exemplifies the fact that, Sather is hated by just about every other GM, except Maloney.
Hate him or not, don't forget that he usually only deals with his friends. Which is clearly a smart strategy.

Some other thoughts:

- As for this "offer", it's pathetic and it doesn't say much about Sanguinetti.

- I really don't see why people hate Brooks. Articles like this are great. The only complaint you can have is that it takes him way too long to get around to writing them. But the fact of the matter is he clearly identifies the real, and only significant and relevant, issue with this club. No matter what, this team isn't going to win thanks to the contract's of Drury, Redden, and Rozsival.

- How awesome is it when the team you live and die with has articles written about it of this nature at least once a season?

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Hate him or not, don't forget that he usually only deals with his friends. Which is clearly a smart strategy.

Some other thoughts:

- As for this "offer", it's pathetic and it doesn't say much about Sanguinetti.

- I really don't see why people hate Brooks. Articles like this are great. The only complaint you can have is that it takes him way too long to get around to writing them. But the fact of the matter is he clearly identifies the real, and only significant and relevant, issue with this club. No matter what, this team isn't going to win thanks to the contract's of Drury, Redden, and Rozsival.

- How awesome is it when the team you live and die with has articles written about it of this nature at least once a season?
I strongly question his credibility after he wrote that article about the Rangers not offering Orpik a contract (when it appears that they did). IMO, he just seems hell-bent on attacking Sather left and right, and he goes too far with it.

His schtick is getting old. All he ever seems to do is write up angry articles criticizing the team.

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Callahan has the right attitude, he is the guy that no one will ever dislike or talk bad about in the locker room. He's a worker... He doesn't demand a raise before he does anything to prove it.

I'd rather keep him around for at least a couple more years than Dubinsky.
I agree. When your team lacks worth ethic and intensity, it's counter-productive to trade away your hardest working forward for a guy who has issues with his motivation. Even if Mueller has a higher ceiling, Callahan is a guy you win with.


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Not a huge fan of Boedker. I'd prefer to talk to Columbus and see if Filatov is available for Sangs.

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