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12-13-2009, 07:30 PM
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I know there is a prospects thread, but figure this deserves its own thread since this guy was our first rounder this past summer (and I don't want it to get buried amongst the other prospect talk in there).

I was not a fan of picking Kreider due to concerns that sometimes players playing in prep school find it difficult to jump to the NCAA.

Kreider has 5 points in 14 games, per hockeydb.com. Stats aren't everything, so I am wondering can anyone tell me how his performance has been? The word was this guy was a tremendous skater, has this held true at the college level?

I believe Jerry York sometimes refuses to give freshmen big roles, has this been the case with Kreider and it has it hurt his production, or has it been more due to Kreider having a hard time making the leap to NCAA? Has there been improvement?

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I saw him play. Commented in the prospects thread when BC came to Merrimack on November 1st.

I thought the kid was phenomenal. The scouting reports about his skating ability are correct, he is a tremendous skater. The kid was getting the puck and simply just taking off. He was flying all over the ice. He was making moves on defenders that were pulling people out of their seats. Merrimack hasnt been a bad team this year either and are undefeated on home ice so it wasnt like he was playing against a weak team. He was getting a good amount of ice time in the game which surprised me. He had an assist on the PP goal in the 1st period.

But as I pointed out in the prospects thread, he tried to pull a toe drag around Merrimack defenseman Bigos and Bigos put him horizontal fast. Kreider had his head down and was completely dropped. He got up and skated to the bench but did not come back on the ice for the remainder of the period. After the period he was having trouble skating to the locker room with the team. As I said at the time it is something Kreider is going to have to learn to access better. When your dancing around players all period with moves someone eventually is going to take the body on you and you cant have your head down all the time. Thankfully, Kreider is alright. He didnt return that game and from the 2nd period on it seemed as though BC fell apart after that. Kreider was really making things happen.

Maybe that has something to do with his low production since then because I think he had 3 points at the time and it was earlier in the season. Maybe he's just not getting his ice time because I know the BC coach doesnt like to play his freshman so much, though Samuelsson's son was getting a good amount of time on the blue line.

All in all, this kid has talent. He's a big kid out there and he can fly. He has good hands and the skills to go with them. I think it was a great pick. I was really impressed.

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12-13-2009, 08:02 PM
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Yeah, again, it's been my feeling that he just needs to figure out how to translate that skill into points...it's not that he's playing badly, everyone seems to praise him, he just needs to be able to take that last step to putting up points.

I'd hazard a guess that when it clicks for him, his point totals are going to skyrocket (and I pray to god it does click)

edit: this is from seeing him a little bit myself as well, but not tons

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I think we are all a little spoiled, as nobody would have ever thought Stepan would be playing this well in college.
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Yeah, again, it's been my feeling that he just needs to figure out how to translate that skill into points...it's not that he's playing badly, everyone seems to praise him, he just needs to be able to take that last step to putting up points.

I'd hazard a guess that when it clicks for him, his point totals are going to skyrocket (and I pray to god it does click)
From the game I saw of him, it wont be a matter of IF it clicks, but moreso when. Everything I read on him was true and it was his first collegiate game(against Vermont) I believe. Speed is top-notch, good size, great shot, just needs to put it together.

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Ahem.
Well I too was happy with the pick, but did you expect him to be amongst the top scorers in the nation as just a sophomore? If you did more props to you.

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Well I too was happy with the pick, but did you expect him to be amongst the top scorers in the nation as just a sophomore? If you did more props to you.
Yes I did.

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He hasn't looked out of place this season and has been playing his role well for a freshmen.

It's too early to say one way or the other at the moment. We really have to wait until his sophmore year to get too high or too low on the pick.

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He hasn't looked out of place this season and has been playing his role well for a freshmen.

It's too early to say one way or the other at the moment. We really have to wait until his sophmore year to get too high or too low on the pick.
True, but it is just very difficult to fathom anything working out positively for this franchise. I have been a fan for over 20 years now and in that time the glass has usually been at least half empty.

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True, but it is just very difficult to fathom anything working out positively for this franchise. I have been a fan for over 20 years now and in that time the glass has usually been at least half empty.
In fairness, we've done a pretty good job with drafting/developing over the last few years.

Our bigger problem seems to be our ability to sign the right free agents.

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In fairness, we've done a pretty good job with drafting/developing over the last few years.

Our bigger problem seems to be our ability to sign the right free agents.
mother effing THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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mother effing THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
We paid elite money to good support players and we paid good support player money to crap.

What frustrates me is when we bid against nobody.

Kotalik being a prime example of this. There's simply no reason why we give him a three-year deal with any kind of NMC.

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We paid elite money to good support players and we paid good support player money to crap.

What frustrates me is when we bid against nobody.

Kotalik being a prime example of this. There's simply no reason why we give him a three-year deal with any kind of NMC.
Edge, as usual you speak the truth, sad though it is.

Can we as fans stage a coup and dump Sather???

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We paid elite money to good support players and we paid good support player money to crap.

What frustrates me is when we bid against nobody.

Kotalik being a prime example of this. There's simply no reason why we give him a three-year deal with any kind of NMC.
he has a NMC?!

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he has a NMC?!
It's a NTC. For some reason I feel like it was limited to the first year of the contract, but don't quote me on that.

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I know this kid has raw mad skills, but first round picks have to be safer. I didnt like the pick simply because this kid dominated a Prep school league. I believe first round picks need to be safer. I like drafting out of the OHL or WHL if possible in the first round.

The first round picks in our lineup were OHL guys. And Sangs is close too, another OHL player.

I hope Krieder becomes the first line hi scoring wing like everyone wants but boy, what Sather did is risky.

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There weren't really any "safe" picks left at that spot.

The middle of the first into the second round was pretty much a bunch of guys on the same level...the only guy you could probably say they skipped on would be Schroeder, and he is having a fairly disappointing season anyways

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This thread has a lot of in it. Here are five reasons to not jump from the Brooklyn Bridge just yet:

1. He's been playing mostly on BC's "4th line" as an energy player and York has really focused on developing his defense/physicality.
2. He was accelerated a year to play college a year early.
3. Guess how many points Stepan had through his first 12 games of his Freshman year? 6 - 2 goals, 4 assists (thanks GAGLine).
4. Frankly, I think Kreider IS a "safe" pick. His skating is as advertised and he's big - if nothing else he can certainly make it as a 3rd/4th line energy guy.
5. Just watch the kid. It's plain as day that he oozes talent.

He's not a finished product yet but for the leap he's had to take (prep to NCAA) and the role he's had to work with he's doing fine. I'm not saying he's guaranteed to hit his high-end potential, but it's a little to soon to be blasting the pick.

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I know this kid has raw mad skills, but first round picks have to be safer. I didnt like the pick simply because this kid dominated a Prep school league. I believe first round picks need to be safer. I like drafting out of the OHL or WHL if possible in the first round.

The first round picks in our lineup were OHL guys. And Sangs is close too, another OHL player.

I hope Krieder becomes the first line hi scoring wing like everyone wants but boy, what Sather did is risky.
Kreider probably has the most "boom potential" out of anyone drafted from #15-30 -- even amongst the CHL guys.

Keep in mind, this guy should still be a Senior in high school. He's starting to adjust to playing with men at the college level and it's coming through in his play. He's really throwing his body around and he has absolutely fantastic hands. It's only a matter of time before he starts putting up numbers.

The kids skating alone will make him a serviceable NHL player. The fact that he has size and slick hands gives him a very realistic shot at becoming an impact top-six forward. Couple that with the fact that he has a great head on his shoulders, and he could be a potential leader on and off the ice as well.

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It's a NTC. For some reason I feel like it was limited to the first year of the contract, but don't quote me on that.
I'm not sure either.

Does someone have an answer?

Of course that rules out moving him this year, including the deadline.

It wouldn't be so bad if he were a bust on a Chris Higgins type of deal, but the thought of having him for another two and a half seasons just doesn't sit very well.

Rissmiller, Voros, Kotalik - we have some bad deals, but some of these just never even made sense with me.

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There weren't really any "safe" picks left at that spot.

The middle of the first into the second round was pretty much a bunch of guys on the same level...the only guy you could probably say they skipped on would be Schroeder, and he is having a fairly disappointing season anyways
Carter Ashton? Landon Ferarro?

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From what I've seen Kotalik is a pwp specialist and that's about it. Otherwise he's not good 5 on 5 and he's a penalty taking machine. As long as you can set him up for blasts from the point of the pwp he can be an asset. In any other respect you're lucky to break even on any given night. At this point in time--not good.

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Carter Ashton? Landon Ferarro?
Yeah, I don't know. Those are risky too

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Carter Ashton? Landon Ferarro?
Kreider has more raw skill than either. When it came Rangers turn to pick to me it came down between Josefson and Kreider. Josefson actually may be a safer pick but he doesn't quite have Kreider's upside. If Chris puts it all together he truly could become a monster power forward. Josefson probably will be a very good 2nd liner. If--is the operative word. Even so--with his size and skating he'll play in the NHL unless something unforseen happens.

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Yeah, I don't know. Those are risky too
Yes, both of them had/have question marks at the time of the draft and certainly weren't considered sure bets

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Carter Ashton? Landon Ferarro?
Ferraro has struggled this season. Ashton was just traded by his jr club too, he's cooled down after a fast start.

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