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12-13-2009, 04:00 PM
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Draft Hall, Waive Rozsival, Offer Sheet Backstrom:

Hall - Backstrom - Gaborik

One can only dream!

Back to a serious note, the only players the Rangers will be able to move are Higgins, Prospal, and possibly Kotalik, depending on how comprehensive his NTC is. I don't see anyone trading for Rozsival. Redden isn't going anywhere and Drury would never waive his NMC.

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12-13-2009, 09:58 PM
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well, heres how I would break it down.

Untouchable:
Lundqvist
Staal
Michael Del Zotto
Gaborik
Grachev (He's borderline, but I still believe in this kid)

Would move, but only at the right price (ie, we win the trade hands down):
Callahan
Dubinsky
Anisimov
Sanguinetti
Avery
Gilroy

Have no problem moving them and should be able to move them:
Higgins
Prospal
Kotalik
Rozsival
Brashear
Boyle
Parenteau
Lisin
Girardi

Probably wont be able to move them, but boy oh boy i want to get rid of these guys even if it means getting only a bucket of pucks back:
Chris Drury
Wade Redden




The real problem though, is that, aside from Kovalchuk, who will almost assuredly be re-upped, i dont see anyone really worth taking a stab at in the offseason....maybe Semin, but I doubt he leaves Washington.
I agree with all of this except Girardi, 2nd most hits on the team, was near the top of the league last yr, we need this guy.

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12-13-2009, 10:02 PM
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i actually think Kotalik could be moved at the deadline to a team in the playoff race with a ****** powerplay. He does have 19 points in 30 games and is purely a PP specialist, but i can see a desperate team taking him.
the problem for a team making a deadline deal is there will probably be options that dont have 2 more years at 3mil per....

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12-13-2009, 10:04 PM
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Saw someone say in the GDT that Kotalik has a NMC like Drury.....so we are stuck with him too?
I feel like he'd waive it. I also wonder if it's a full no movement, a full no trade clause, or a limited no trade clause where he submits a list of teams he doesnt want to go to

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12-13-2009, 10:05 PM
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I never understood that...Girardi has never as anything more than a solid 3rd-pairing D-man at his best. He makes some awful decisions with the puck.
I disagree in regards to girardi, he's a physical 2nd pairing defenseman. We let him go we better replace him with someone that can throw their weight around he's the only one, other than maybe Staal, that truly plays with the mentality that they want to punish the other teams forwards in the corners and dirty parts of the ice. This aspect of his game gets overlooked a lot IMO

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12-13-2009, 10:08 PM
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No good UFA's out there this summer if the Rangers are able to move some of the big contracts. I'd take a look at Frolov (At the right price) and one of either Paul Martin or Anton Volchenkov.

I can also see the Rangers making an offer sheet to one of Bobby Ryan, Wolski, Setoguchi, Semin or Backstrom if they Rangers manage to get a top 3 draft pick.

In my ideal world, the Rangers are able to trade Higgins/Prospal/Kotalik/Rozsival and in the offseason waive Redden. I know there is not a chance in hell Drury will waive his NMC for either a trade or to be waived.

I think Volchenkov would be the Rangers biggest UFA target if they had the cap room to do so.
Offer sheets are rare, kind of an unwritten rule amongst GM's. Kind of why there was a lot of shock when the Oilers signed Vanek to an offer sheet

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12-13-2009, 10:16 PM
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Only UFA I really want is Colby Armstrong, Steve Ott would be nice too, depends what his demands are though.

In a realistic dream world this would go down

Higgins to VAN for SOB
Prospal and PAPS to LAK for for Purcell and Kevin Westgarth
Lisin to Toronto for Jay Rosehill and 7th
Kotalik to ATL for some pick, 4th maybe
Rozi to ANA for Artyukin (UFA)
Brash to anyone who wants him

we ice something like this to end the season

Avery Dubi Gaborik
Purcell Drury Callahan
Grachev AA Artyukin
Westgarth Boyle Rosehill

Staal Girardi
Gilroy SOB
Redden DZ

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12-13-2009, 10:20 PM
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I disagree in regards to girardi, he's a physical 2nd pairing defenseman. We let him go we better replace him with someone that can throw their weight around he's the only one, other than maybe Staal, that truly plays with the mentality that they want to punish the other teams forwards in the corners and dirty parts of the ice. This aspect of his game gets overlooked a lot IMO
He IS the only one, Staal is really meh when it comes to toughness.

And we need to ADD toughness not just replace what we already have.

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12-13-2009, 10:29 PM
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I agree with all of this except Girardi, 2nd most hits on the team, was near the top of the league last yr, we need this guy.
It's not just quantity of hits that matters, but the quality of hits as well.

Girardi always has a lot of hits, but it is really ******* frustrating that he refuses to hit anybody in the crease. All of our defenseman suffer from this disease, but it's odd that players like Staal and Girardi, who are amongst the league leaders in hits for d-men, lose their physical edge once they enter the crease.

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12-13-2009, 10:31 PM
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I think we should hold onto Prospal

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12-13-2009, 10:39 PM
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I think Girardi's being a little underrated here. He's young, physical, blue-collar type player that's played a top-2 role, as well as a top-4 role here.

Take a look at the potential free-agent dmen this upcoming off-season.. It's pretty skimp..

Why trade Girardi though? He's young enough, where he can help this team today, and tomorrow.

Focus on getting rid of Rozsival first. That should be Sathers #1 priority, imo. After that, see if Drury is willing to waive his NMC.

You're not going to get anything truly exceptional in return for some of the scrubs we have on this team. Makes no sense moving someone like Girardi for a player that has numerous question marks in his game. If we still had Toots, then I'd maybe consider moving Danny, but not right now.

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12-13-2009, 10:41 PM
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I think we should hold onto Prospal
Maybe sound crazy, but I can see Vinny being moved at the deadline if we're out of contention, and then re-sign him during the off-season. I think he likes it here, and moving him to a contender at the deadline isn't at all an insult for someone his age and understanding of how this league functions.

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Maybe sound crazy, but I can see Vinny being moved at the deadline if we're out of contention, and then re-sign him during the off-season. I think he likes it here, and moving him to a contender at the deadline isn't at all an insult for someone his age and understanding of how this league functions.
Not a bad idea.

He's a good player and he tries hard like Straka, but he wouldn't be worth a damn without Gaborik. Just no 3 year deals Slats

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12-13-2009, 10:49 PM
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Not a bad idea.

He's a good player and he tries hard like Straka, but he wouldn't be worth a damn without Gaborik. Just no 3 year deals Slats
Sather will offer him a nice contract. And then ruin it by adding a full NMC ala'drury.

That's his new icing on the cake. NMC's..

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12-13-2009, 10:57 PM
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Waive Rozsival to Hartford.
Get anything possible for Higgins, Prospal.
Send Drury to LAK (who have the cap space) for whatever you can get for him. Drury has a house near other Kings players.
Waive the cartoon characters that are Voros and Brashear.
Christansen? Has he reported to the Rangers yet? Bye.
Girardi? OK to deal if we can get something good back.
Get into the lottery.

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they would have to deal any UFA, so yea that means Prospal his value is real high, Higgins

I would move Lisin and Girardi as a young package for other young players

of course Rozsival has to go. Pray someone will take crap for crap. I would even take Jason Blake at this pt to save a million on the cap. Would be interesting with Avery but whatever

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David Perron may be available if the Blues end up missing the playoffs.

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12-14-2009, 01:44 AM
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To all of those calling for Drury to be moved, it's never going to happen. His contract, in addition to his status as captain, and his NMC make it all but impossible to move him. Right now your highest value pieces that can be moved are Vinny, Higgy and maybe Kotalik, although I don't see Slats moving a recently signed FA. You just have to hope someone takes a flyer on Rozsival. If you move Prospal, Higgins and Rozsy thats close to 9M in cap space, enough to maybe send a D-Spec or Girardi, and bring in a big time scorer.

Off-Topic, but I really want Peter Mueller. I'd do Cally for Mueller in a heartbeat

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To all of those calling for Drury to be moved, it's never going to happen. His contract, in addition to his status as captain, and his NMC make it all but impossible to move him. Right now your highest value pieces that can be moved are Vinny, Higgy and maybe Kotalik, although I don't see Slats moving a recently signed FA. You just have to hope someone takes a flyer on Rozsival. If you move Prospal, Higgins and Rozsy thats close to 9M in cap space, enough to maybe send a D-Spec or Girardi, and bring in a big time scorer.

Off-Topic, but I really want Peter Mueller. I'd do Cally for Mueller in a heartbeat
theres no way i would move cally or dubinsky for Mueller. none whatsoever.

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It would be major shoot-in-the-foot-itis to trade Callahan for any one player. Rolls of the dice are over, right? Stupid to think Callahan is expendable for some player another team doesn't want.
Stupid.

Maybe it would look better in a larger trade, one with larger scope, but it's hard for me to see this team being better without Callahan.

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12-14-2009, 02:35 AM
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Prospal could get some very nice return at the trade deadline. 2nd line player with a 1 mil cap hit. If the Rangers are totally out of the playoff race they have to try and move at least him and rosy.

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12-14-2009, 03:52 AM
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why is everyone rushing to get rid of prospal? he's been 1 of 3 consistent, useful players and for what we're paying him, i'm confused as to why we would trade him for how much he's producing for a pretty dismal team. are people convinced we'll actually get a good draft pick or a good prospect in return? despite getting some good drafts in hank and to a lesser extent staal and callahan, i don't really have much faith in this organization's management or scouts to get us those above average players that the rangers desperately need. they seem to settle for "just enough" players that do enough to not look like terrible players..maybe hustle for half a shift here and there, throw a hit or 2 a game, take a shot or 2 (doesn't have to be on net to be sufficient to make it on the rangers) because somehow our scouts see something spectacular in these players.

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why is everyone rushing to get rid of prospal? he's been 1 of 3 consistent, useful players and for what we're paying him, i'm confused as to why we would trade him for how much he's producing for a pretty dismal team. are people convinced we'll actually get a good draft pick or a good prospect in return? despite getting some good drafts in hank and to a lesser extent staal and callahan, i don't really have much faith in this organization's management or scouts to get us those above average players that the rangers desperately need. they seem to settle for "just enough" players that do enough to not look like terrible players..maybe hustle for half a shift here and there, throw a hit or 2 a game, take a shot or 2 (doesn't have to be on net to be sufficient to make it on the rangers) because somehow our scouts see something spectacular in these players.
he'll net by far the best return. he's got a teenie tiny contract and has produced well beyond anyones wildest expectations. literally every team can use a guy like prospal on their club. imho i think he could net a first round pick because there are likely to be very few sellers and a TON of buyers....and a team like the thrashers which never make the playoffs could probably use him big time to try to make a deep run.

also, hes older, so hes not a long term solution for our team. hes got at most 2-3 years of good production left in him, and if we truly become sellers, we wont be competing at an elite level till probably the end of that time frame.


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12-14-2009, 05:08 AM
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i actually think Kotalik could be moved at the deadline to a team in the playoff race with a ****** powerplay. He does have 19 points in 30 games and is purely a PP specialist, but i can see a desperate team taking him.
Guys that have cannons like his & use it on a regular basis are hard to come by, if this team could get itself going Kotalik is a huge assest & his liablities can be over looked. I would hold on to him.

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12-14-2009, 07:29 AM
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Trading deadline is March 3. If you look at the schedule,the Rangers play 1 game(March 2) after the Olympics and then it's the deadline. Their last game before the break is February 14. Two months left for the deadline if you exclude the two week break. Teams will have to do their evaluating and scouting for the break. Coaches have been fired(Colin Campbell in 1998)during the Olympic break but major player transactions don't take place during that time. The NHL doesn't any distractions from the vital Olympic games.

I hate the NHL players in the Olympics.

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