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12-15-2009, 08:51 PM
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LOL @ People blaming Boucher...

Its sad when the only guys who show they care on this team is the 3rd/4th liners.. Giroux is the only one in the top 6 who showed up.

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12-15-2009, 08:52 PM
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I'm sick and tired of defending this team against all those dumb ****ing Pen bandwagon fans and all the other morons who haven't a clue about the game of hockey. Seriously **** you flyers, i wish i could spit in their faces. Lose with some ****ing dignity.

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Look at the 6 games after Thursdays, 6 very winnable games. We can turn this around so easily

If we can turn it around by Saturday, we can still be OK, if not, we are ****ed
Just don't kill yourself when we have an 8 game losing streak in 2 weeks.

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13. They'll squeeze a few wins out toward the end of it, and beat out Carolina and Toronto.
Again, look at the nest 6 games after Thursday, we can turn this around real quick. I believe a substantial trade will take place tomorrow and hopefully it is one that land players that will fit Lavvys system

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Can't believe how quickly you all are turning on Boucher. Short memories I suppose? Outside of the first game against SJ and this game, he's been terrific and it isn't his fault that he's been forced to play every game in the starters role due to our actual starter being injured. Not his fault. He's a backup being forced to play almost every game for a month. That's fact. He's going to put a stinker up every once in a while.

Hell, he just finished up a back-to-back against two great teams. In neither game was the team in front of him very supportive.

As for everything else, well, go Eagles and go Phillies I guess. At least on 06 we had Forsberg and Gagne and some nice young talent to develop.

This Winter Classic is going to suck balls at this rate.
He needs to win 2 in a row. A performance like this will never be overlooked

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Trade Coburn before all he is worth is a 5th rounder. He is god awful at hockey. How was he ever thought to have potential.

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I'm not blaming Boucher per se, but one of the main differences between a good goalie and a bad goalie is not how many spectacular supersaves they can make, it's how they handle easy shots. Bouch didn't handle them at all. And he's not a good goalie, he's a decent backup.

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Just don't kill yourself when we have an 8 game losing streak in 2 weeks.
It can't happen,, Can it ???

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Honestly, the only thing I have hope for is...


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Can not wait for Gagne and Betts to come back...

Can not stand Hartnell and Briere.. bag skate both to death.

I was a little disappointed that Lavi played Coburn with Timonen. Coburn does not deserve to be in top 4.

I do not want to trade anyone. Make them work.. Do not let them get off easy.

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12-15-2009, 08:56 PM
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I'm not blaming Boucher per se, but one of the main differences between a good goalie and a bad goalie is not how many spectacular supersaves they can make, it's how they handle easy shots. Bouch didn't handle them at all. And he's not a good goalie, he's a decent backup.
Boosh is an average goalie. If you expect him to be Hasek then you are in for a rude awakening.. The problem with this team is the "stars" haven't been doing ****. The powerplay continues to fail. I have seen the 3rd/4th lines get more consistent pressure in the offensive zone than our "stars" during the slump.

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12-15-2009, 08:59 PM
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He needs to win 2 in a row. A performance like this will never be overlooked
He's not a starter. He's not supposed to be starting every game (let alone back-to-backs). He's a decent backup.

He's not a forward as well, he can't score goals. How is he supposed to pull out a win when we let a team like the Penguins dominate us all game and only put up one goal on the scoreboard?

He's not a d-man. How can we blame him for the several breakaways, failed pinches, and failed defensive coverages that the Flyers gave up today? I bet about half the Pens goals were mainly due to defensive breakdowns or bad coverage.

He can't do it all. It's not his fault the team in front of him has sucked for a month straight. He's not a starter. You can't blame a backup for screwing up once he's put in a starter's role.

Look, I know he sucked tonight. I admit that.

But claiming that he doesn't belong in the NHL? Saying that he sucks? That's ********.

The list of guys that deserve blame before him is countless.

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Boosh is an average goalie. If you expect him to be Hasek then you are in for a rude awakening.. The problem with this team is the "stars" haven't been doing ****. The powerplay continues to fail. I have seen the 3rd/4th lines get more consistent pressure in the offensive zone than our "stars" during the slump.

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12-15-2009, 09:00 PM
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What an absolutely pathetic performance.

Pronger looked terrible out there. Even when he's been at his best here, I've commented on his skating and slowness being an issue at times...well, that issue sure reared it's head tonight. It scares me to think about what his foot speed might be like 5 or 6 years from now.

Has anyone seen Mike Richards?

Hartnell has always been a bit of an idiot, but he's done enough positive things to comfortably outweigh the idiocy and make me able to laugh at it. Not these days though...the scale is tipping big time towards his idiocy, and patience is running very thin.

Our team's ability to finish has became nightmarish. It's really out of hand...our ****ing players need to ****ing execute once in a while, and Lavi needs to do a better job with the line combos. This **** is a mess. Ability to finish isn't even an issue though for Richards and Carter...cuz those two can't even create a ****ing scoring chance. I don't know what the hell has happened, but they suck even more together than they have been individually.

It's frustrating to continue to watch Carter unable to pick a corner to save his life, especially on nights when the opposition is able to do it multiple times.

Carcillo doesn't belong on the PP. I like the idea of creating more of a presence in front of the net on the PP, and I'm sure that is largely Lavi's thinking...but he just doesn't frigging belong on the PP. I don't care how players are playing....a good coach would find a way to create two quality PP units out of Richards, Carter, Briere, JVR, Giroux, and Hartnell. And if anyone of that group should be ousted right now in favor of Carcillo, it's Hartnell.

Lots of teams all around the league are improved this year, largely as a result of their younger players continuing to improve....our team on the other hand has its younger players either standing still or regressing.

Jon Kalinski was probably the only Flyer I really enjoyed watching play tonight.

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12-15-2009, 09:04 PM
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What an absolutely pathetic performance.

Pronger looked terrible out there. Even when he's been at his best here, I've commented on his skating and slowness being an issue at times...well, that issue sure reared it's head tonight. It scares me to think about what his foot speed might be like 5 or 6 years from now.

Has anyone seen Mike Richards?

Hartnell has always been a bit of an idiot, but he's done enough positive things to comfortably outweigh the idiocy and make me able to laugh at it. Not these days though...the scale is tipping big time towards his idiocy, and patience is running very thin.

Our team's ability to finish has became nightmarish. It's really out of hand...our ****ing players need to ****ing execute once in a while, and Lavi needs to do a better job with the line combos. This **** is a mess. Ability to finish isn't even an issue though for Richards and Carter...cuz those two can't even create a ****ing scoring chance. I don't know what the hell has happened, but they suck even more together than they have been individually.

It's frustrating to continue to watch Carter unable to pick a corner to save his life, especially on nights when the opposition is able to do it multiple times.

Carcillo doesn't belong on the PP. I like the idea of creating more of a presence in front of the net on the PP, and I'm sure that is largely Lavi's thinking...but he just doesn't frigging belong on the PP. I don't care how players are playing....a good coach would find a way to create two quality PP units out of Richards, Carter, Briere, JVR, Giroux, and Hartnell. And if anyone of that group should be ousted right now in favor of Carcillo, it's Hartnell.

Lots of teams all around the league are improved this year, largely as a result of their younger players continuing to improve....our team on the other hand has its younger players either standing still or regressing.
Well said.

I especially thank you for not blaming Boucher.

In the GDT someone posted a proposal along the lines of Hartnell and Pronger for Kaberle and Kessel. I would not be against such a trade.

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12-15-2009, 09:07 PM
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What an absolutely pathetic performance.

Pronger looked terrible out there. Even when he's been at his best here, I've commented on his skating and slowness being an issue at times...well, that issue sure reared it's head tonight. It scares me to think about what his foot speed might be like 5 or 6 years from now.

Has anyone seen Mike Richards?

Hartnell has always been a bit of an idiot, but he's done enough positive things to comfortably outweigh the idiocy and make me able to laugh at it. Not these days though...the scale is tipping big time towards his idiocy, and patience is running very thin.

Our team's ability to finish has became nightmarish. It's really out of hand...our ****ing players need to ****ing execute once in a while, and Lavi needs to do a better job with the line combos. This **** is a mess. Ability to finish isn't even an issue though for Richards and Carter...cuz those two can't even create a ****ing scoring chance. I don't know what the hell has happened, but they suck even more together than they have been individually.

It's frustrating to continue to watch Carter unable to pick a corner to save his life, especially on nights when the opposition is able to do it multiple times.

Carcillo doesn't belong on the PP. I like the idea of creating more of a presence in front of the net on the PP, and I'm sure that is largely Lavi's thinking...but he just doesn't frigging belong on the PP. I don't care how players are playing....a good coach would find a way to create two quality PP units out of Richards, Carter, Briere, JVR, Giroux, and Hartnell. And if anyone of that group should be ousted right now in favor of Carcillo, it's Hartnell.

Lots of teams all around the league are improved this year, largely as a result of their younger players continuing to improve....our team on the other hand has its younger players either standing still or regressing.

Jon Kalinski was probably the only Flyer I really enjoyed watching play tonight.
Well said.

The part I found interesting -- Lavio not holding players accountable/responsible for their poor play. So much for that theory.

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What an absolutely pathetic performance.

Pronger looked terrible out there. Even when he's been at his best here, I've commented on his skating and slowness being an issue at times...well, that issue sure reared it's head tonight. It scares me to think about what his foot speed might be like 5 or 6 years from now.

Has anyone seen Mike Richards?

Hartnell has always been a bit of an idiot, but he's done enough positive things to comfortably outweigh the idiocy and make me able to laugh at it. Not these days though...the scale is tipping big time towards his idiocy, and patience is running very thin.

Our team's ability to finish has became nightmarish. It's really out of hand...our ****ing players need to ****ing execute once in a while, and Lavi needs to do a better job with the line combos. This **** is a mess. Ability to finish isn't even an issue though for Richards and Carter...cuz those two can't even create a ****ing scoring chance. I don't know what the hell has happened, but they suck even more together than they have been individually.

It's frustrating to continue to watch Carter unable to pick a corner to save his life, especially on nights when the opposition is able to do it multiple times.

Carcillo doesn't belong on the PP. I like the idea of creating more of a presence in front of the net on the PP, and I'm sure that is largely Lavi's thinking...but he just doesn't frigging belong on the PP. I don't care how players are playing....a good coach would find a way to create two quality PP units out of Richards, Carter, Briere, JVR, Giroux, and Hartnell. And if anyone of that group should be ousted right now in favor of Carcillo, it's Hartnell.

Lots of teams all around the league are improved this year, largely as a result of their younger players continuing to improve....our team on the other hand has its younger players either standing still or regressing.

Jon Kalinski was probably the only Flyer I really enjoyed watching play tonight.
"X-rays taken on the right wrist Richards were negative following a 2-0 loss to Ottawa, and he played in Saturday night's 4-1 loss at New Jersey."

If it hurts enough for an X ray, its going to be hard to play hockey with it

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We can't start blaming goalies before we start scoring more than 1 or 2 goals a game.

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FML. That was brutal. I don't want to watch them kick our ass again on Thursday.

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Well said.

I especially thank you for not blaming Boucher.

In the GDT someone posted a proposal along the lines of Hartnell and Pronger for Kaberle and Kessel. I would not be against such a trade.
I made that proposal. I unsubscribed from that thread before it hit the 2nd page. I honestly didn't want to be a part of it. Do you think how Parent is playing we should put him on the PP instead of Coburn?

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I made that proposal. I unsubscribed from that thread before it hit the 2nd page. I honestly didn't want to be a part of it. Do you think how Parent is playing we should put him on the PP instead of Coburn?
Instead of Coburn? Yeah, sure. Coburn can barely play hockey at all, period. Let alone the PP. Might as well give the responsibility to one of our better d-men (especially considering how often we give up breakaways while on the PP...).

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I'm not really criticizing him per se, but can anyone tell me where Mike Richards has gone? I mean, I don't even recall his name hardly being mentioned tonight and it's been like that for 2-3 weeks straight, it's really scary to me.

Carter I haven't mind as much because at least he's around the puck and generating some chances, but I just haven't seen Richie at all and he's usually so active, even when he isn't scoring goals or putting up a bunch of points.

I dunno, I got angry at first, then tried to laugh it off, now it's just kind of depression. I don't think I've ever seen a team this talented do this little. I didn't really buy too much into the locker room stuff before, but what the hell is going on right now?

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I'm not really criticizing him per se, but can anyone tell me where Mike Richards has gone? I mean, I don't even recall his name hardly being mentioned tonight and it's been like that for 2-3 weeks straight, it's really scary to me.

Carter I haven't mind as much because at least he's around the puck and generating some chances, but I just haven't seen Richie at all and he's usually so active, even when he isn't scoring goals or putting up a bunch of points.

I dunno, I got angry at first, then tried to laugh it off, now it's just kind of depression. I don't think I've ever seen a team this talented do this little. I didn't really buy too much into the locker room stuff before, but what the hell is going on right now?
Richards did get a point tonight. I do see what you mean though.

Also, your guess is as good as mine as to what the hell is wrong with this team.

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Is anyone surprised that this happened? I'm a little relieved, i thought it'd be 7 or 8.

Hartnell is just a liability out there right now.

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Maybe they should all visit shrinks...

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This is just baffling. This team is just a complete ****ing catastrophe. Just an utter and inexcusable disaster.

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