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12-16-2009, 11:04 PM
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Give Gaborik the C

Say what you will about Jagr, but he led by example on the ice. You could see the passion. There are not many teams that have third line roleplayers as captain. San Jose, a cup contender, stripped Marleau of the C because they were underachieving.

It's only a matter of time until Marian Gaborik is Ranger captain.

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12-16-2009, 11:07 PM
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Sure, why not. Couldn't hurt.

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no, thank you.

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id give Henrik the C.

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no, thank you.
Why not? At this point I'm up for any sort of shake-up.

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id give Henrik the C.
Gaborik deserves it.

But no one.

No one.

Deserves it more than Henrik.

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id give Henrik the C.
Not a bad idea either.

Lundqvist - C
Prospal - A
Callahan - A
Gaborik - A

Does the NHL have a rule about the number of A's? If I remember correctly, the 94 Rangers had 3 or 4 A's throughout the course of the season.

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id give Henrik the C.
Nobody gives it to the goalie.

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Why not? At this point I'm up for any sort of shake-up.
The guy is shy and reserved. Im not a huge Drury guy but there is a reason Gaborik hasnt even been given an "A" on this team. There are a lot of great scorers out there that havent worn letters.

Plus, I go back to my old argument that who wears the "C" really makes no difference. The only thing that could possibly happen is Gaborik would feel the pressure and go downhill.

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12-16-2009, 11:11 PM
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Nobody gives it to the goalie.
http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/vanc...te-league-rule

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Nobody gives it to the goalie.
Roberto Luongo.

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The guy is shy and reserved. Im not a huge Drury guy but there is a reason Gaborik hasnt even been given an "A" on this team. There are a lot of great scorers out there that havent worn letters.

Plus, I go back to my old argument that who wears the "C" really makes no difference. The only thing that could possibly happen is Gaborik would feel the pressure and go downhill.
Playing hockey at the College and Junior level, I'd argue from experience that the Captain does have an impact on the team from a personality and accountability perspective.

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12-16-2009, 11:13 PM
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I hate the stigma about giving the C to goaltenders but seriously...

Lundqvist deserves it. And let's totally ignore the fact that he's an outstanding goalie and just evaluate him personally: This guy is one of the few Rangers who mans up and takes responsibility for the team. His interview tonight was one of his best... he called out the team "without actually calling out the team"...by saying everyone on this team (including himself) needs to take a look in the mirror and ask what they can do better.

Henrik always takes each loss personally, and to heart -- something you would see out of a leader after his team disappoints the fans. He always tells things like they are, and does not give generic replies like most players, including our current captain do.

Do a vancouver or whatever and make him the captain of the lockerroom and have third alternate captain to abide by league rules with the "C". (I think Luongo technically can't wear it).

Anyone but Drury at this point could do a better job but I don't think we need to look too far with Lundy.

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Roberto Luongo.
interesting.

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Playing hockey at the College and Junior level, I'd argue from experience that the Captain does have an impact on the team from a personality and accountability perspective.
I played NCAA hockey. I dont know if its the same as the NHL, but our coach did the coaching. The captaincies for forward and D core were more ceremonial than anything.

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Stripping Drury of the C could be the "something" Torts alluded to after the game.

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Playing hockey at the College and Junior level, I'd argue from experience that the Captain does have an impact on the team from a personality and accountability perspective.
i agree with this, even in beer leagues the captain matters. teams implode all the time at my level of play just because of poor leadership and players all try to get onto teams with good leadership and a good group of guys...i think our leadership blows. Your captain needs to be able to take the club on his back and win you a game.

Gaborik is capable of doing that.

Lundqvist is capable of doing that.

Drury isn't, but he won't let that ruin his....

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12-16-2009, 11:15 PM
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I hate the stigma about giving the C to goaltenders but seriously...

Lundqvist deserves it. And let's totally ignore the fact that he's an outstanding goalie and just evaluate him personally: This guy is one of the few Rangers who mans up and takes responsibility for the team. His interview tonight was one of his best... he called out the team "without actually calling out the team"...by saying everyone on this team (including himself) needs to take a look in the mirror and ask what they can do better.

Henrik always takes each loss personally, and to heart -- something you would see out of a leader after his team disappoints the fans. He always tells things like they are, and does not give generic replies like most players, including our current captain do.

Do a vancouver or whatever and make him the captain of the lockerroom and have third alternate captain to abide by league rules with the "C". (I think Luongo technically can't wear it).

Anyone but Drury at this point could do a better job but I don't think we need to look too far with Lundy.
give the C to Henrik, and have 3 guys wear the A...you can even rotate the last 1.

Henrik has been the Captain since Jagr left anyway imho.

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12-16-2009, 11:17 PM
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I played NCAA hockey. I dont know if its the same as the NHL, but our coach did the coaching. The captaincies for forward and D core were more ceremonial than anything.
Every team is different. I understand where you're coming from though. At the NHL level, I'd imagine the captaincy matters simply because of the premium paid by the market for good on and off-ice leadership. You can't deny the impact that guys like Yzerman, Stevens, and Messier had on the ice and in the locker room from a leadership stand-point. Not saying anyone in our locker room right now can provide that type of leadership, but anything seems better than Drury at this point.

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give the C to Henrik, and have 3 guys wear the A...you can even rotate the last 1.

Henrik has been the Captain since Jagr left anyway imho.
Agreed.

Vancouver actually has no player that wears the "C". Luongo has a "C" on his helmet painted on (nice loophole btw), and the Canucks have three players who wear the "A". I don't know if they rotate the third or whatever.

I say we do the same.

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12-16-2009, 11:20 PM
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No great shame in relieving Drury of the C, right?
I mean, it's not the most desireable thing to do, but not much choice here, eh?

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Lundqvist is clearly the emotional leader of the team. It seems like he's the only one who takes these losses to heart. He never makes excuses and always blames himself even if it's not his fault.

He deserves the captaincy and I wouldn't be opposed to him getting the C. But I also think that the skaters need a good emotional leader as well.

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12-16-2009, 11:21 PM
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Every team is different. I understand where you're coming from though. At the NHL level, I'd imagine the captaincy matters simply because of the premium paid by the market for good on and off-ice leadership. You can't deny the impact that guys like Yzerman, Stevens, and Messier had on the ice and in the locker room from a leadership stand-point. Not saying anyone in our locker room right now can provide that type of leadership, but anything seems better than Drury at this point.
Well essentially my point was, take Shanahan for example... When he was on our team he never wore the captaincy. But that didnt stop him from being a leader in the locker room. Whether or not a guy actually wears a letter to me has no effect on whether they actually lead or not. Leaders will lead regardless. So the only possible outcome I see is negative on the appointed player.

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Chris Drury is a terrible captain to go with Tortorella, he was PERFECT for Renney as was Jagr. Although now that I think about it, Jagr would be a perfect captain for anyone, that guy was awesome.

Tortorella needs a captain who can reinforce his passion, his anger, and his goals.

The fact of the matter is that the anger the coaches felt tonight was in no way shape or form translating to the players? Why? The consistency here is Drury as captain.

Sullivan was irate during the first period intermission and nothing changed. You have to think Sullivan and Tortorella stayed infuriated through the whole game, and they did judging by Torts' post-game conference.

This team, hell this coach needs a captain that can compliment his fiery style, not take away from it like Monotone this won't affect my bank account Drury.

My first line of attack would be to just strip Drury of a letter altogether and give an 'A' to Avery. I wouldn't give it to Gaborik because he's more like Drury then Tortorella in terms of PERSONALITY. Run the three 'A's of Cally, Prospal, and Avery because they are all Torts PERSONALITY guys and see who steps up out of the three of them, or if someone else on the roster steps up vocally.

Right now with Drury the buffer is out of whack.

Or maybe I'm giving to much credit to Drury.

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12-16-2009, 11:25 PM
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Well essentially my point was, take Shanahan for example... When he was on our team he never wore the captaincy. But that didnt stop him from being a leader in the locker room. Whether or not a guy actually wears a letter to me has no effect on whether they actually lead or not. Leaders will lead regardless. So the only possible outcome I see is negative on the appointed player.
Shanahan had the stature to take that unspoken leadership role. I think with so many young guys on this team, no one wants to step up and "usurp" Drury's captaincy. Does that make sense?

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