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Has Nilsson turned the corner?

View Poll Results: Has Robert Nilsson turned the corner?
Yes 18 12.86%
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It's too early to tell 102 72.86%
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12-19-2009, 12:09 AM
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Yet you can watch Nilsson on any shift any game and notice whether he has the jump or not. When he's into it and thinking out his plays before they occur he wins battles and anticipates openings. He can play keepaway with the best when he has the focus and jump.

Last night from the outset looked to be another good game from him. We've seen this type of enthusiasm before. But we rarely saw this enthusiasm from Nilsson last season.

Its like a night and day difference and visible when he's bringing it. Quinn and MacT both realize this and will grant him icetime accordingly.
I'm convinced he's been hurt the past year. Maybe not anything serious, but enough to limit his speed.

He's been absolutely flying lately, and when he's moving fast, he makes it very hard for anyone to stay with him, especially with his hands.

He needs to shoot more from the outside though... he's always looking pass.

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12-19-2009, 12:16 AM
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I'm convinced he's been hurt the past year. Maybe not anything serious, but enough to limit his speed.

He's been absolutely flying lately, and when he's moving fast, he makes it very hard for anyone to stay with him, especially with his hands.

He needs to shoot more from the outside though... he's always looking pass.
IMO, this is what seriously ails the top six forwards as a whole...too many "pass first" players.

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12-19-2009, 12:32 AM
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IMO, this is what seriously ails the top six forwards as a whole...too many "pass first" players.
And then you've got O'Sullivan who is the complete opposite... never looks for the pass but always shoots.

Can we just somehow fuse their brains together to make a complete hockey player?

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12-19-2009, 01:02 AM
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To answer the question? Probably not.

Robert Nilsson has done this before. Last year he went on not one but two point scoring streaks after injury. He did it in 07/08, too. He'll likely cool down and raise the ire of everyone once more.

I still like him, though. Maybe not an ideal player based on his flaws, but he's a guy who comes out ahead in the grand scheme of things and can look like a primary point producer for stretches of games.
Maybe but this guy has developed some real grit to his game and is playing the best hockey I've ever seen him play. I really think he is for real.

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12-19-2009, 09:43 AM
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I say no. he's proven that he'll play well for a few games then go back to the same old player he always is.
I don't think he has the heart to bring an A or even a B game every night.

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12-19-2009, 10:08 AM
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And then you've got O'Sullivan who is the complete opposite... never looks for the pass but always shoots.
I don't think that could be further from the truth. He looks to make a pass all the time, but the offensive wizardry of his linemates, Jacques & Horcoff, makes the situation impossible since they are never very focused on actually being anywhere that might find them in a good position to take a shot. I think O'Sullivan shoots the puck a lot because he's not given any other options by his line.

There has also been quite a few times where he didn't shoot the puck and chosen to pass instead and people in game day threads get all pissy because they think he should have taken the shot.

Back to the topic though - I think Nilsson has been very impressive since his return. Like most everyone else though, I'm not convinced he's turned the corner. He'll need to maintain some consistency for the rest of the season in order to prove himself.

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12-19-2009, 12:44 PM
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And then you've got O'Sullivan who is the complete opposite... never looks for the pass but always shoots.

Can we just somehow fuse their brains together to make a complete hockey player?
Actually Sully by his own accounts is more comfortable as a passer and he dishes some passes right on the sweet spot. He'd have more assists if there was any finish. He could have had two assists in the last game and especially on the Potulny chance.

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I don't think that could be further from the truth. He looks to make a pass all the time, but the offensive wizardry of his linemates, Jacques & Horcoff, makes the situation impossible since they are never very focused on actually being anywhere that might find them in a good position to take a shot. I think O'Sullivan shoots the puck a lot because he's not given any other options by his line.
I would disagree with Horcoff as he can get into spots but for the most part this is bang on. Sully hasn't had a lot to work with and is mostly shooting due to lack of options. He also has one of the better shots on the team so it makes more sense here.

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12-19-2009, 04:38 PM
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how is it that penner hasn't sold you on his ability to be a elite powerforward exactly??
Lets put it this way...I wouldnt marry a chick after 2 good months no matter how hot she is. She does her job and doesnt get fat then she might get a maybe ring after a solid year

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For sure I think Nilsson has played his way onto team sweden for the olympics too.
HA HA That was awesome! good one....really?

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12-19-2009, 06:40 PM
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Lets put it this way...I wouldnt marry a chick after 2 good months no matter how hot she is. She does her job and doesnt get fat then she might get a maybe ring after a solid year

HA HA That was awesome! good one....really?
that's not fair. I like fat chicks.

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I say no. he's proven that he'll play well for a few games then go back to the same old player he always is.
I don't think he has the heart to bring an A or even a B game every night.
That has certainly been his history. I am not suggesting that Nilsson will ever be the equivalent of Satan but he is approx the same age as Satan was when the Oilers quit on him.
We all know how that turned out.

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Actually Sully by his own accounts is more comfortable as a passer and he dishes some passes right on the sweet spot. He'd have more assists if there was any finish. He could have had two assists in the last game and especially on the Potulny chance.

I would disagree with Horcoff as he can get into spots but for the most part this is bang on. Sully hasn't had a lot to work with and is mostly shooting due to lack of options. He also has one of the better shots on the team so it makes more sense here.
He sure doesn't show it.

He continually takes bad shots from awful angles when there are passing options available to him. He's yet to throw a cross crease pass down low on the PP... he's far more content at trying to shoot from a bad angle.

The trick to playing O'Sullivan is force him wide, then give him a shot... he'll take it and it's an easy turnover.

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12-19-2009, 10:34 PM
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Nilsson shows flashes of brilliance, but he's not even on the radar.
Is he a difference maker like Penner has been this season? Or like Hemsky usually is? Nope.
I'm cheering for him tho.

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Another question then since the majority of people have said it's too early to tell. How long would you have to see him playing like this to consider him a 'changed' player (for the better).

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I think that he has turned the corner. If he can turn 3 more corners, he's made it around the block. I'll wait to see if he can make it around the block.

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12-20-2009, 01:42 AM
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He's been playing great right now...

However, he's a chip off the ol' block. And his dad wasn't called "magic man" because he guess what card you're holding in your hand. It's of course because he's the master of disappearing. Robert is no different. Just when you think he's got great skill, he disappears into thin air. It's only a matter of time, as far as I'm concerned.

Nice move again tonight though. He does show flashes of brilliance, of that there is no doubt. Just the consistency issues make it tough to value him on our team.

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12-21-2009, 12:37 PM
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HA HA That was awesome! good one....really?
No I was kidding, honestly.



Anyhow I wasn't able to watch the game on Saturday. Can anyone give me a quick summary of Nilssons game that night.

Thanks.

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I don't think that could be further from the truth. He looks to make a pass all the time, but the offensive wizardry of his linemates, Jacques & Horcoff, makes the situation impossible since they are never very focused on actually being anywhere that might find them in a good position to take a shot. I think O'Sullivan shoots the puck a lot because he's not given any other options by his line.
O'Sullivan has ALWAYS shot everything on net.

This is not a new development. He was registering upwards of 230 shots on net well before he came to Edmonton.

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12-21-2009, 02:43 PM
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IMO, this is what seriously ails the top six forwards as a whole...too many "pass first" players.
I don't really agree, I think that theres not enough passing. Look at the top line. All that crisp clean passing leads to scorign chance after scoring chance. What this team needs is players who know how and when to distribute the puck. Basically, the exact opposite of Sully horc and cogs.

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Trade Nilsson while he has value. He'll drop off again and we can duplicate his skillset several times over.

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Another question then since the majority of people have said it's too early to tell. How long would you have to see him playing like this to consider him a 'changed' player (for the better).
For me I need half a season. 20-30 games doesn't do it. Especially in Nilsson's case as he's had that before.

I like the goal he scored against Washington. Finding different ways to score on half a chance even if the goalie should have had it I like that Nilsson pulled it and with intent.

I'm less optimistic if all his goals occur on a breakaway or wide open chance. I'd like him to find more spots and that he's thinking goal is good.

He's playing with a lot of confidence right now and good to see.

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O'Sullivan has ALWAYS shot everything on net.

This is not a new development. He was registering upwards of 230 shots on net well before he came to Edmonton.
He's a reasonably good passer given the chance to pass it to reasonable outlets that provide open puck support.

If nothing else is there its a given he's going to shoot it.

If anything on this club Sully receives less passes from other forwards on this club than he dishes.

The D often look for Sully with a breakout or clear the zone pass. But Sully could be open all day sometimes and not get a pass from a forward in opposition zone.

Even last game Horc buries a few shots into goalies midsection instead of dishing to the wide open Sully for the one timer.

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Wait

I think we need to see Nilssson's play be conistent for a long period of time before we can say he has turned the corner.

Let's revisit this thread in February and see how he is playing. He has flashes of brilliance and then he is horrendous for long stretches.

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