Sea Dogs will not stand pat, Rumour has it they are trying to land Olivier Roy and Luke Adam.
I believe this could happen before the Jake Allen trade, this is how i see it happening
Saint John trades
Mike Kirkpatrick (at the draft)
Steve Anthony (at the draft)
Zack Phillips and Pierre Durepos
1st rounder, 2nd rounder 2010
CB trades
Olivier Roy
Luke Adam
I think it is a better deal than what the Allen trade is and rumour also has it Allen deal was backed oput of and he is going to quebec
I'll be shocked if this deal happens. The Phillips boy, for one, is a bona fide young talent. It took a lot of wrangling for the Sea Dogs to trade for him and stop him from pursuing NCAA options -- he got an early commitment from, I believe it was Northeastern University, which he decided to forego to go to Saint John. I'm sure there must have been some guarantee made to him that he wouldn't be traded if he were to pass up that option. Can't see the Sea Dogs giving up a key 17-year-old in Phillips as well as two draft picks for two players -- especially since its a team which recently won 22 straight and doesn't need a major upgrade to be a contender.
If they're looking for an upgrade in goal, an Allen trade makes more sense. It also might help their box office in the sense that Allen is from Fredericton, 60 miles down the road, and (I'm projecting) will be a World Junior Hockey Championships hero after leading Canada to another gold medal.
Jake Allen is going to be dealt,for adam and roy we wouldn't take back any 19's it makes no sense,We are overloaded with too many home town boys now!Replace kirkpatrick and anthony for despres, then we can trade for domingue and send a little extra for him and we could potentially have a great team in the next 2 years.Besides if the kings ransom doesn't come back for Adam and Roy Mario should get a real estate agent his contract is up at the end of this season the fans would want his head worse than Pascal Vincent.
Sea Dogs will not stand pat, Rumour has it they are trying to land Olivier Roy and Luke Adam.
I believe this could happen before the Jake Allen trade, this is how i see it happening
Saint John trades
Mike Kirkpatrick (at the draft)
Steve Anthony (at the draft)
Zack Phillips and Pierre Durepos
1st rounder, 2nd rounder 2010
CB trades
Olivier Roy
Luke Adam
I think it is a better deal than what the Allen trade is and rumour also has it Allen deal was backed oput of and he is going to quebec
Not even a rumor. Someone posted that as and idea on another board. There have been rumors with Adam and Saint John , but this "rumored deal" is just someones wishful thinking on another board.
Rumor is that Victoriaville really wants both and are in discussions with Chicoutimi.
Victo has already traded for Goulet and are going to deal for Boudreau. So you have to wonder how much they can give up for Dechampes and Legace. Martel wants Hynes and Victo won't move him.
Other than the trades involved with Moncton, I still think there are some big trades trying to be worked out. I can see Victoriaville adding the most talent to their team before the trading period closes. That is if they can get Legacé and Deschamps without devestating other areas of their team. As for Saint John, I still think it is up in the air whether or not they actually land a big trade. They seem to be very conservative with the group they already have and aren't going to waste any of their future for a single player. If they don't end up making any trades, I don't think it would be that big of a surprise. With that said, I still think they need to somehow add one more big name player, whether that be Jake Allen or Luke Adam. If not, they might regret it when they face a team like Victoriaville, Moncton, Québec or even Drummondville in the playoffs.
Mike Kelly and company would have known about Phillips' father before completing the trade from Lewiston and signing the boy. Doubt getting the dad out of their hair would be worth it. There's a point where you tell the dad that his interference is hurting the boy rather than helping him. I'd be surprised if someone from the Sea Dogs hasn't had that conversation with the Phillips family already. Certainly they would do that before trading the kid.
Also, if Saint John is going to make a trade for a goaltender, it will be for a number one guy, not a backup. If they make a move for Allen, he'll play 90 per cent of the remaining regular season games and be the guy in the playoffs
1. alot of kids mentioned have no trade clauses, hard to convince a kid to leave st john right now in the midst of a championship year.
2. Chat boards can be misleading, Phillips dad has not been an issue, he is a hockey guy and understands the process -- however I have no doubt like Jurco/gagne/durepos/beaulieu/ and all the other young guys they would like to see their kids play more.
Deschamps is probably going east... and I wouldn't be surprised if Lagacé wasn't traded. Martel will always be Martel... If he was asking Brandon Hynes and Maxim Lamarche from Victo, what could he ask from Moncton/Saint John?
Deschamps is probably going east... and I wouldn't be surprised if Lagacé wasn't traded. Martel will always be Martel... If he was asking Brandon Hynes and Maxim Lamarche from Victo, what could he ask from Moncton/Saint John?
First off your knoledge is unmatchable! I think moncton needs the two of them more. I can see bissonette,domingue(trade one of the goalies at the draft) donnelly and a first
Moncton doesn't have a first pick until 2012 and Chicoutimi already has Gusse and Gibson in front of the net, however, Bissonette/Donnelly is a good start. Maybe the Saulnier brothers? Saint John could offer Huberdeau and/or Durepos but would they want to go to Chicoutimi?
There is still a chance that Deschamps might end up in Victo... but they would be crazy to trade Hynes. He's a 40 goals scorer at 17...
Moncton doesn't have a first pick until 2012 and Chicoutimi already has Gusse and Gibson in front of the net, however, Bissonette/Donnelly is a good start. Maybe the Saulnier brothers? Saint John could offer Huberdeau and/or Durepos but would they want to go to Chicoutimi?
There is still a chance that Deschamps might end up in Victo... but they would be crazy to trade Hynes. He's a 40 goals scorer at 17...
I hear Donnelly has a no trade clause. I remember around the draft that he said the only place he would report would be Moncton and if he wasnt drafted there he would go NCAA . Saulnier brothers like you said would have to go as a pair.
Huberdeau would be a good start for Saint John but none of there fans want to see him go just like many CB fans are dead against trading Morgan Ellis.
I heard rumors around the subway series regarding Legace to CB to play with Adam. Im sure that Martel will surely want Ellis or LeSiuer in return there.
First off your knoledge is unmatchable! I think moncton needs the two of them more. I can see bissonette,domingue(trade one of the goalies at the draft) donnelly and a first
If I were Moncton i would trade P-M Lessard , open up a 20 year old spot. Make a deal to land P-A Vandell and Dave Lebrecque. They have the assets to make the deal and it would give them the offence to go along with there strong defensive/ physical play.
I hear Donnelly has a no trade clause. I remember around the draft that he said the only place he would report would be Moncton and if he wasnt drafted there he would go NCAA . Saulnier brothers like you said would have to go as a pair.
Huberdeau would be a good start for Saint John but none of there fans want to see him go just like many CB fans are dead against trading Morgan Ellis.
I heard rumors around the subway series regarding Legace to CB to play with Adam. Im sure that Martel will surely want Ellis or LeSiuer in return there.
Ellis vs Lagacé... I think he would make it. (If he wants more he's crazier than I thought) But Cape Breton would be stupid to do this. You don't trade that kind of prospect until you're sure you can come out of your division in the playoffs.
It would take at least a first pick with LeSieur and other picks. But I don't think he has that much value, he's not one of the top 17 yo in the league.
Ellis vs Lagacé... I think he would make it. (If he wants more he's crazier than I thought) But Cape Breton would be stupid to do this. You don't trade that kind of prospect until you're sure you can come out of your division in the playoffs.
It would take at least a first pick with LeSieur and other picks. But I don't think he has that much value, he's not one of the top 17 yo in the league.
Thats exactly my point. Cape Breton made the same sort of deal last year when they traded Finn for Ward ( Forget the Horyl part). We did nothing else after that but tinker. I understand that Ward is very good defencemen and came back as a 20 but we could still have Finn along with Ellis.
Serge honestly what do you think the eagles are going to do? What do you think about Knotek for Duffy and a pick
Honestly Cape Breton will probably tinker. Maybe add some scoring depth with a pick or move a few players that haven't been getting much ice time. Kind of what they did last year with Fontaine and Demkov. It would surprise me to see them sell from what upper management has said.
Cape Breton's situation is complicated. They're not that bad but I don't think they'll be able to compete against Moncton or Saint John without giving a lot of their futur (Ellis, Le Sieur, Cuzner). However, they can't wait for next year like Saint John did last season. Their D is getting old, as well as their top forwards. They'll probably make a few moves here and there, no big moves, but depth moves.
I watched the three games Quebec played against CB this year and I thought they were better last season. Maybe they should have made more moves last year?
We do this every year,if we sold big time would we have a realistic shot? I mean cmon if we could add both Deschamps and Lagace,and maybe Jessko Bernard.Moncton isn't that much better if at all,sea dogs well let pei deal with them,The only negative with the sea dogs is there reaction when things get tough(same time you have to be able to hit them) they lose there cool
To Chicoutimi: Adam Bourque-Leblanc (1989-04-08) & Christophe Tremblay (1992-02-29)
To Shawinigan: Jean-Philippe Foucher (1992-05-25) & 4th round pick in 2010 (Val-D'or)
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To Moncton: Nicolas Deschamps (1990 -01-06)
To Chicoutimi: Matthew Bissonnette (1992-01-16) , Jeremy Barriault (1992-10-16) , 4th round pick in 2010 (Lewiston) & 1st round pick in 2011
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To Shawinigan: Michael Ward (1989-08-13) , Maximilien Le Sieur (1992-09-27), 2nd round pick in 2010 , 1st round pick in 2011
To Cape Breton: Maxime Legault (1989-03-28) , 4th round pick in 2010 , 2nd round pick in 2011
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