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12-22-2009, 12:10 PM
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I am not really a Flyer fan, I just came in here looking for confirmation on dirt I heard on the radio today, but I thought I'd chime in on my thoughts...

This team has too many chiefs and not enough indians...too many Alpha Male personalities.
It has happened before...How many potential "Captains" does this team have? Too many!! I know that is a weird thing to say, but you have a leader, and then you have followers. If half of your team are "leaders", they probably arent leading in the same directions and the few remaining follows are being pulled in different directions!

This team is full of great parts, but is not very good as a whole.

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12-22-2009, 12:12 PM
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I am not really a Flyer fan, I just came in here looking for confirmation on dirt I heard on the radio today, but I thought I'd chime in on my thoughts...

This team has too many chiefs and not enough indians...too many Alpha Male personalities.
It has happened before...How many potential "Captains" does this team have? Too many!! I know that is a weird thing to say, but you have a leader, and then you have followers. If half of your team are "leaders", they probably arent leading in the same directions and the few remaining follows are being pulled in different directions!

This team is full of great parts, but is not very good as a whole.
What dirt did you hear today?

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12-22-2009, 12:15 PM
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What dirt did you hear today?
ekcut, just going to say it.

Carter DID NOT pork Hartnell's wife.

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This team is full of great parts, but is not very good as a whole.
Herb Brooks mentality. Not looking for the best ones, looking for the right ones.

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12-22-2009, 12:16 PM
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What dirt did you hear today?
I think he meant that there is probablly a power stuggle going on in the locker room.

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12-22-2009, 12:23 PM
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I always thought this team had too many "leaders." I dont believe I'm going to say it but the team does not have enough European players. Too many cocky ungrateful North American players. They all think they are the best and should be leaders. Get some low self-esteem Europeans that have something to prove over here.

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12-22-2009, 12:44 PM
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I always thought this team had too many "leaders." I dont believe I'm going to say it but the team does not have enough European players. Too many cocky ungrateful North American players. They all think they are the best and should be leaders. Get some low self-esteem Europeans that have something to prove over here.
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12-22-2009, 01:02 PM
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I always thought this team had too many "leaders." I dont believe I'm going to say it but the team does not have enough European players. Too many cocky ungrateful North American players. They all think they are the best and should be leaders. Get some low self-esteem Europeans that have something to prove over here.
Whoa. He really just said that.

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12-22-2009, 02:15 PM
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I don't buy the Star power argument, teams like NJ Nashville Phoenix to name a few have less forward depth then we do but they buy into the team concept and are solid. The simple excuse is everyone on this team seems to have their own agendas, noone is on the same page and our special teams are among the bottom percentile. Special teams and goaltending are everything. First couple months these were our strengths and the reasons for our success, it quickly changed as we've learned. Until we get these issues fixed, we aren't going to ascend in what has become a selfish Eastern Conference

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12-22-2009, 05:43 PM
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Chemistry (or lack thereof) is one of the greatest contributors to team success. Unfortunately, it's also one of the hardest factors to predict.

With Upshall, Phoenix is now 22-13-2, whereas they were 16-14-5 at this point last season. Playing on the top line, Upshall leads Phoenix in goals, game-winning goals, shooting %, and even strength points. Last year, Phoenix lost many of its close games; this year, they are winning them.

Coincidental or not, the Capitals are seeing much more secondary scoring with Knuble in the lineup; they have 10 players with 6+ goals and six players with 9+ goals. Knuble's screens are directly responsible for a number of those goals; above average shots from second liners that were seen and blocked last year are going in because the goalie doesn't see them coming. Knuble has also provided veteran leadership in the locker room and is usually the first person interviewed after a win or loss.
i think knowing who your players are and how they think and interact is as much a part of being the gm as knowing what thier skills sets are. i honestly believe the dismantling of the core group cut the heart out of the team. skill wise legein and maroon should hopefully be able to fill the holes losing those guys created but its the pyschological effect of selling them the flyers family rhetoric and then treating them like theyre replaceable that i think has them screwed up

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12-22-2009, 06:21 PM
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I always thought this team had too many "leaders." I dont believe I'm going to say it but the team does not have enough European players. Too many cocky ungrateful North American players. They all think they are the best and should be leaders. Get some low self-esteem Europeans that have something to prove over here.
I miss Sami

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12-22-2009, 07:28 PM
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I just saw this team called the "Legion of Gloom." That sums it up nicely.

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12-23-2009, 12:29 AM
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In case it was missed elsewhere. I didn't know if this thread would get on topic or what...

2009-10 ACTUAL through 35 games
Top 6 forwards (plus the random injured guy): Carter, Richards, JVR, Hartnell, Briere, Giroux, Gagne
First 17 games: 35-55-90 +18
Next 18 games: 25-27-52 -20
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Bottom 6 forwards (plus the healthy scratch): Powe, Asham, Lappy, Carcillo, Betts, Pyorala, Laliberte (stuck with him because of lack of production elsewhere)
First 17 games: 15-9-24 +13
Next 18 games: 3-6-9 -22
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The 6 defensemen (plus the scratch/injured guy): Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn, OKT, Parent, Syvret/Bartulis
First 17 games: 10-44-54 +20 (with Syvret)
Next 18 games: 5-20-25 -21 (with Bartulis)
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First 17 games, team: 62 GF (3.65 per game); 43 GA (2.53 per game)
Next 18 games, team: 33 GF (1.83 per game); 60 GA (3.33 per game)
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2009-10 PROJECTED (by pace after 17 games)
Top 6 (plus hurt guy): 169-265-434 +87
Bottom 6 (plus scratch): 72-43-115 +63
Defense (6 plus scratch): 48-212-260 +96
Team: 299 GF; 208 GA
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2009-10 PROJECTED (by pace after 35 games)
Top 6 (plus hurt guy): 141-192-333 (-5)
Bottom 6 (plus scratch): 42-35-77 (-21)
Defense (6 plus scratch): 35-150-185 (-2)
Team: 223 GF; 241 GA
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2008-09 ACTUAL through 82 games
Top 6 forwards (plus the random injured guy): Carter, Richards, Gagne, Hartnell, Lupul, Knuble, Briere
203-217-420 +85
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Bottom 6 forwards (plus the healthy scratch): Giroux, Asham, Carcillo, Powe, Nodl, Cote, Gratton
28-54-82 (-37)
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The 6 defensemen (plus the scratch/injured guy): Timonen, Coburn, Carle, Alberts, Jones, Sbisa, Parent
20-109-129 +40
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Team: 264 GF (3.22 per game); 238 GA (2.90 per game)

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12-23-2009, 01:36 AM
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Let's just clarify.

That's an opinion, not a FACT:

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LOL. You have 14 posts and half of them exist solely to make yourself look like a jackass. Which, while an admirable goal, I guess, is already an established fact and you no longer need to waste any more posts to try and convince people. But, please, continue giving everyone updates on the post count in this thread. It's really an uplifting experience to witness such douchbaggery. It's really what the holiday's are all about.

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I just saw this team called the "Legion of Gloom." That sums it up nicely.
2009-2010 Philadelphia Flyers: The Legion of Gloom

I like it. I need to get a shirt made.

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2009-2010 Philadelphia Flyers: The Legion of Gloom

I like it. I need to get a shirt made.
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The real reason is lack of motivation. Homer killed it when he fired Stevens. Good Bye Playoffs.

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The real reason is lack of motivation. Homer killed it when he fired Stevens. Good Bye Playoffs.
I think its just not enough OKT!

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I think its just not enough OKT!
True enough. Funny thing is when he's in the lineup they always win, he better get that knee ready in a hurry

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True enough. Funny thing is when he's in the lineup they always win, he better get that knee ready in a hurry
It's odd that he hurt it, what with all the exercise he gives it. He's always on his knees blowing the game...

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Chemistry (or lack thereof) is one of the greatest contributors to team success. Unfortunately, it's also one of the hardest factors to predict.

With Upshall, Phoenix is now 22-13-2, whereas they were 16-14-5 at this point last season. Playing on the top line, Upshall leads Phoenix in goals, game-winning goals, shooting %, and even strength points. Last year, Phoenix lost many of its close games; this year, they are winning them.

Coincidental or not, the Capitals are seeing much more secondary scoring with Knuble in the lineup; they have 10 players with 6+ goals and six players with 9+ goals. Knuble's screens are directly responsible for a number of those goals; above average shots from second liners that were seen and blocked last year are going in because the goalie doesn't see them coming. Knuble has also provided veteran leadership in the locker room and is usually the first person interviewed after a win or loss.
Yep, and conincidental or not, they started to go downhill around the time Upshall was moved...and we all know Knuble was that first guy interviewed with us as well....I think both of these guys are truly missed, in addition to Lupul and Biron who was known as the jokester in the lockerroom and was a well liked guy....But instead of keeping Knuble, we had a billion tied up in dmen, and signed guys like Lappy, Betts, Pyro and OKT....Dont get me wrong, I love what Betts and Lappy have brought to the team and I am glad they are here, but with Lappy here, do we need Asha (even though I like him) If you waive Asham and not sign Pyro, that is a little over $1 million there...there were other moves that could have been made to keep Knuble on this team.

Homer is falling into the NEW YORK mentality of just throwing pieces together whether they fit or not. It must stop now, get rid of the dead weight and let the young guys come up next year that are ready and let this team grow AGAIN

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i think knowing who your players are and how they think and interact is as much a part of being the gm as knowing what thier skills sets are. i honestly believe the dismantling of the core group cut the heart out of the team. skill wise legein and maroon should hopefully be able to fill the holes losing those guys created but its the pyschological effect of selling them the flyers family rhetoric and then treating them like theyre replaceable that i think has them screwed up
Couldnt agree more, and not to pat myself on the back or anything, but this was the first thing I mentioned when Upshall was moved....but of course everyone goes ape **** and think you are nuthugging some third line player when it wasnt the on ice performance I was worried about with losing him.

Do I mean that if Upshall was here we wouldnt suck??? Of course not, but I think that is when the chemistry started to go downhill....and then losing Knuble and Biron killed it....Two new, very strong personalities come in with Pronger and Lappy and boom...issues. They were masked by a few players being very hot at the beginning of the year like Emery, Carle, etc. and then when injuries hit and this team came back down to earth all hell broke loose.

We are unfortunately starting from scratch now and I just want to see progress, I dont care about playoffs or anything at the moment. Just progress. I think Lavi will be very good for this team, once he has time to make it his team.

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The real reason is lack of motivation. Homer killed it when he fired Stevens. Good Bye Playoffs.
Yeah, because they didnt suck and look unmotivated under Stevens....Wow you are clueless.

Below .500 since the midpoint of last season....were really motivated in game 6 of the playoffs last year didnt they

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12-23-2009, 12:52 PM
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Couldnt agree more, and not to pat myself on the back or anything, but this was the first thing I mentioned when Upshall was moved....but of course everyone goes ape **** and think you are nuthugging some third line player when it wasnt the on ice performance I was worried about with losing him.
If losing a drinking buddy wounds the egos of these guys so much that they are no longer effective hockey players than none of them ever deserves to make the playoffs let alone with the Stanley Cup. It's a ****ing business.

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If losing a drinking buddy wounds the egos of these guys so much that they are no longer effective hockey players than none of them ever deserves to make the playoffs let alone with the Stanley Cup. It's a ****ing business.
I think you're missing Mike's point. It's not that their egos were wounded and they pouted when he was traded.

Upshall's offensive stats aren't going to win a team anything. But I think the "us against the world" mentality took a hit when he was traded.

They stood up for each other on the ice, and they knew Upshall would stand up for them. I'm not sure there are many on this team right now who absolutely know who has their back. I'm also hoping that changes in a hell of a hurry, but it's going to take a bit of confidence that comes with winning to get there.

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