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12-25-2009, 12:13 PM
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Habs projected Cap / line-up in 2010-2011

For a Salary Cap calculator, use the link below... don't forget to post your results

http://www.capgeek.com/cap_calculator.php?Team=2


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12-25-2009, 12:20 PM
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Just trying to put some numbers together to see what the habs cap hit would be after resigning (or not) some of the rfa's / ufa's... 1st column is projected salary in mllions, 2nd column in ( ) is net increase.... Please let me know if I goofed up or missing info.

Plek 5.5 (+2.75)
Metro 2.0 (+2)
Pyatt 0
SK 1.2 (+.400)
Pouliot 0
Laps 1.0 (+.300)
Stewart 0
D'ags 0
Mara 100% won't resign
MAB 3.3 (+2.5)
Price 3.5 (+1.5)
Halak 2.2 (+1.5) *likely to be traded


With Halak, increase in cap = ~11 Million
Without Halak, increase in cap = 8.8 Million + replacement (~800K) = 9.6 M

IE: We Are Screwed.

What kind of numbers do you get?
Who would you keep and at how much? Metro? MAB (Or cross fingers on Subban?)?

Would you trade before the deadline to acquire "something" instead of losing a player for nothing? Who?
What kind of salaries would you accept in return? Or just picks?

Of the players that will still be under contract, who's salary could we dump (realistically - Gomez is not realistic)?

What would be the cap hit on buyouts of Laraque final year?

Use this as a reference point : http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=MON
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http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=263702

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seriously no, there's a reason he wasn't signed anywhere before the season started and why would you pay a PP specialist that type of money. you might as well give gill a contract extension while your at it. the most her gets id he gets resigned is 1.5 to 2 mill. more than that he walks and we spend the money where we actually need it.

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MAB is overpaid here. Nonetheless, the fact remains the same, we're going to be tight up against the cap. I predict Hamrlik or Gomez get traded.

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Metropolit should be +1 and not +2

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seriously no, there's a reason he wasn't signed anywhere before the season started and why would you pay a PP specialist that type of money. you might as well give gill a contract extension while your at it. the most her gets id he gets resigned is 1.5 to 2 mill. more than that he walks and we spend the money where we actually need it.
Ok, I think I can agree with that.. 3.3 is maybe too high.

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Metropolit should be +1 and not +2
Fixed, thanks PD

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If MAB and Metropolit want 3.3 and 2.0 we should let them go, they are easily replaceable guys by either young guys or other veterans... id rather sign a top 6 guy for 4 millions and bring up a young defenseman like Subban Weber or Carle than have Bergeron and Metro at this price...

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MAB is overpaid here. Nonetheless, the fact remains the same, we're going to be tight up against the cap. I predict Hamrlik or Gomez get traded.
Hopefully both. Hammer I would want to keep but his salary is too high, Gomez we should aggressively shop.

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I'd say : MAB 1.5, Metro 1.5, SK 1.0 = 3.5M$ max for those three. S.Kost showed nothing that great so he could sign for one year, with a one-way clause to make him shut up.

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MAB is overpaid here. Nonetheless, the fact remains the same, we're going to be tight up against the cap. I predict Hamrlik or Gomez get traded.
How can we trade Gomez? Unless a super solid 2nd half, it seems impossible.

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MAB is overpaid here. Nonetheless, the fact remains the same, we're going to be tight up against the cap. I predict Hamrlik or Gomez get traded.
Hamr will be gone, aging defense is not we we need since we already have "older" guys sign long term and his salary is just too high right now. Package him up or trade at the before the deadline to a team making a run that needs a veteran D.

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How can we trade Gomez? Unless a super solid 2nd half, it seems impossible.
I agree with this, he's our problem for the next 5 years. No team will want to take on his salary/point production even though he plays well defensivly ex. Drury

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Nice to see you guys agree on trading Hamrlik. Now what do you figure we can get in return?

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Good tool:
http://www.capgeek.com/cap_calculator.php?Team=2

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2010-2011 Montreal Canadiens
PLAYER BONUS CAP HIT
FORWARDS
Scott Gomez — $7,357,142
Mike Cammalleri — $6,000,000
* Tomas Plekanec — $5,500,000
Brian Gionta — $5,000,000
Andrei Kostitsyn — $3,250,000
Travis Moen — $1,500,000
* Sergei Kostitsyn — $1,000,000
Max Pacioretty — $910,000
* Benoit Pouliot — $850,000
* Tom Pyatt — $850,000
Ryan White ($215,000) $850,000
* Maxim Lapierre — $750,000
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov — $5,750,000
Roman Hamrlik — $5,500,000
Jaroslav Spacek — $3,833,333
Hal Gill — $2,250,000
Josh Gorges — $1,100,000
Ryan O'Byrne — $941,666
GOALTENDERS
* Carey Price — $3,500,000
* Curtis Sanford — $600,000
BUYOUTS
NONE
LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS
NONE
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 20
SALARY CAP $56,800,000
PAYROLL $57,292,141
BONUSES $215,000
CAP SPACE $-277,141
So shave a 200k somewhere and we're good. Pretty tight though, gotta start season with minimum roster. It would be nice if NHL cap went up 500k, or 1m.

MAB will be gone. He was signed as a band-aid, it's great he played well but he wasn't in Habs long term plans. Can't afford him at the 2-3m he'll get somewhere. Spacek or some kid (Weber, Subban) can be Markov's PP howitzer as was originally planned lats summer.

Unfortunately Metro is prolly gone since the Habs can't afford a raise for him which he'll no doubt get somewhere. Replaced with a kid.

Laraque will have to be cleared out somehow. Trade him for a song, send him to minors, or make him retire (as he should be), even a buyout (500k over 2 years) would be tough to swing.

Some malcontents won't like it, but this is our team guys. It's a good team if it plays to potential, solid veteran Dmen, and if it's playing a coached system well, it can make playoffs, and if grit & clutch come through it can win series' and surprise some critics.

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based on how habs have dealt with 3rd line pluggers (smolinski, TK, etc) in the past and extra d you can assume...

metro will not be back
mab will not be back
mara will not be back
halak will not be back

that's about 5 mill right there...

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Good tool:
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So shave a 200k somewhere and we're good. Pretty tight though, gotta start season with minimum roster. It would be nice if NHL cap went up 500k, or 1m.

MAB will be gone. He was signed as a band-aid, it's great he played well but he wasn't in Habs long term plans. Can't afford him at the 2-3m he'll get somewhere. Spacek or some kid (Weber, Subban) can be Markov's PP howitzer as was originally planned lats summer.

Unfortunately Metro is prolly gone since the Habs can't afford a raise for him which he'll no doubt get somewhere. Replaced with a kid.

Laraque will have to be cleared out somehow. Trade him for a song, send him to minors, or make him retire (as he should be), even a buyout (500k over 2 years) would be tough to swing.

Some malcontents won't like it, but this is our team guys. It's a good team if it plays to potential, solid veteran Dmen, and if it's playing a coached system well, it can make playoffs, and if grit & clutch come through it can win series' and surprise some critics.
Nice tool.. will give it a try....

Question: who's going to QB our pp with your proposal? We absolutely must need a MAB type. Streit, souray, MAB = #1 pp in the league. Without = bottom half.... Haven't seen Subban play enough to have faith that he can be our MAB (on the PP) next year. Bad PP = losing record.

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Nice tool.. will give it a try....

Question: who's going to QB our pp with your proposal? We absolutely must need a MAB type. Streit, souray, MAB = #1 pp in the league. Without = bottom half.... Haven't seen Subban play enough to have faith that he can be our MAB (on the PP) next year. Bad PP = losing record.
One reason Spacek was signed was cuz he had a big one timer for Markov to feed, he'll do fine.

Frankly I'm kind of uncomfortable with Markov-MAB back there, when Markov jumps up beside net to bang in the cross ice pass, it's just MAB alone back there. I'm surprised we haven't given up short handed goals yet from him fumbling it, I'm guessing we'll see some once teams with dangerous PKers clue-in. We'll probably see Markov-Spacek together this season once MAB fumbles up a few SH goals.

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One reason Spacek was signed was cuz he had a big one timer for Markov to feed, he'll do fine.

Frankly I'm kind of uncomfortable with Markov-MAB back there, when Markov jumps up beside net to bang in the cross ice pass, it's just MAB alone back there. I'm surprised we haven't given up short handed goals yet from him fumbling it, I'm guessing we'll see some once teams with dangerous PKers clue-in. We'll probably see Markov-Spacek together this season once MAB fumbles up a few SH goals.
Spacek isn't going to score many goals IMO. His highest total for goals in his career was 10.... and that was in 1999-2000! I understand that he has yet benefited from Markov's sweet passes on the PP, but to me he seems like a "get a shot on net and hope for a rebound / tip-in " type. Every year we've had success on the PP was a result of a canon from the point. His shot has looked far from stellar so far.

One thing us hab fans have been blessed with in recent years is having a canon to rely on from the point... It also opens up room for guys like Cam or AK down low. Perhaps this is where Subban or Weber fill in the void? I haven't seen them do it enough to feel confident in relying on them (as rookies).

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Another insightful post my Ozy

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This is not NHL, Bob won't just trade Gomez..

my god..

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Another insightful post my Ozy
No, just no time to waste to give you insight you won't even bother accounting.

Just the fact that you think we're screwed shows how little you know. I'll let you figure out the rest.

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No, just no time to waste to give you insight you won't even bother accounting.

Just the fact that you think we're screwed shows how little you know. I'll let you figure out the rest.
Id say this year lineup - Mara Metropolit MAB Halak

+ Subban Maxwell UFA backup and UFA 7th def

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No, just no time to waste to give you insight you won't even bother accounting.

Just the fact that you think we're screwed shows how little you know. I'll let you figure out the rest.
what's with all your frustration? Someones got a few issues...

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alrighty, boring night... I'm bumping up this post because I'd essentially like to build collaboratively with the help of everyone a competitive line-up for next season that: 1. Is under the Cap and 2. Improvement to this year.

Using Cap-geek... here is my line-up.

Resigning: Price, Plek, MAB, SK, Laps, Pyatt, Sanford

Not resigning: Halak, Metro, D'ags, Mara, Pouliot (until he can prove to be a keeper, I'm not assuming he will be..)

Buying out or trading: Laraque

2010-2011 MONTREAL CANADIENS
PLAYER BONUS CAP HIT
FORWARDS
Scott Gomez — $7,357,142
Mike Cammalleri — $6,000,000
* Tomas Plekanec — $5,500,000
Brian Gionta — $5,000,000
Andrei Kostitsyn — $3,250,000
Travis Moen — $1,500,000
* Sergei Kostitsyn — $1,000,000
Max Pacioretty — $910,000
* Tom Pyatt — $850,000
Ben Maxwell ($115,000) $850,000
Ryan White ($215,000) $850,000
* Maxim Lapierre — $800,000
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov — $5,750,000
Roman Hamrlik — $5,500,000
Jaroslav Spacek — $3,833,333
* Marc-Andre Bergeron — $2,250,000
Hal Gill — $2,250,000
Josh Gorges — $1,100,000
Ryan O'Byrne — $941,666
P.K. Subban — $875,000
GOALTENDERS
* Carey Price — $3,500,000
* Curtis Sanford — $600,000
BUYOUTS
NONE
LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS
NONE
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 22
SALARY CAP $56,800,000
PAYROLL $60,467,141
BONUSES $330,000
CAP SPACE $-3,337,141

We're over on a 22 player roster!

Friendly Ozy mentioned above how I'm completely wrong about being concerned for next season... but the sad reality is, 3 of our 4 players in ufa are having excellent seasons, and I for one would be sad to see those leave. (which I'm dropping Metro )

Plek 5.5
Metro 2
MAB
2-2.5
Mara

Like Turboplex mentioned, it's highly likely that Metro will be gone....However, hopefully this does NOT turn into a situation where if we can't sign Plekanec than BG will try to cover the loss with Metro (as our 2nd line center ) behind Gomez.

In any event, sacrificing either Metro or Plek is a downgrade to our 3rd line which would either be filled by Laps or an unproven kid (Maxwell? )from Hamilton. Unless I'm mistaken, nobody to be overly excited about in Hamilton. So, downgrade to our 3rd line...

So the lineups would like (when all D are healthy):

AK - Plek - Cam
SK - Gomez - Gionta
Pac - Maxwell - Moen
MAB - Laps - White / Pyatt

Markov
Hamrlik
Spacek
Gill
Gorges
O'byrne

Subban (do we really want him as a 7th man sitting out though?)

Price
Sanford or equivalent

And we're over the cap by more than 3 million.

Clearly I'm not a good GM (although I don't need to be bashed for this... ahem..). So help me out! What gives, who goes, and how do we stay under the cap and how the hell are we going to IMPROVE????? Because this line-up is a DOWNGRADE !!!

Trading Hammer is an option ... an option I think will even hurt us more.

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