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12-26-2009, 10:48 AM
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Would the Habs send Gomez in the minors (and pay accordingly) if they have to?

First of all, I'm not saying they will do it, nor do I say they should do it.

But let's face it : we're lucky if we can keep Plekaneck under 5M. Mara is gone next season, as is Laraque (unless he turns it around). The Habs will have to sign Lapierre and Bergeron (I think they'll sign both, and there's absolutely no reason not to sign MAB if he asks less than 2M). And there is the goalies to sign as well. Hamrlik is under contract next season as well (and I think it's in our interest to keep him...) but he MIGHT make a good trade bait for a cup-bound team needing a good 2nd pairing D-Men (and having lots of cap-space available). I'm totally indifferent to Spacek, but he earns more than Gomez, so....

The problem : if they get rid of Gomez, they have to find a center for the second line, and that help will likely not be coming from Hamilton : I think Metro might be gone next season (more because of his age than anything), and we would need somebody to take his spot as well. I think it's pretty much a given that Tom Pyatt cannot play a Top-6 role and never will. Not sold on Maxwell, though I do see him playing Metro's role.

Sorry if the post is a mess, but here's the "main" question : Would the Habs agree to send Gomez in the Minors (let's say considering they could NOT trade him if they need cap relief), considering :

a) They need to pay him full salary even if he's in Hamilton
b) It wouldn't count against the cap
c) They don't have anybody ready enough to take his spot OR will need a body to take Metropolit's spot anyways, which means the Habs will need one C anyways.
d) Sending Gomez in the minors effectively ends his NHL career, unless he's traded.
e) The cap will not significantly go up for next season, if it goes up at all.
f) We will also have to give something of a raise to Andrei Markov before Spacek's or Gomez's contract is up.
Secondary question : Would/Could they do the same with Jaro Spacek?


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12-26-2009, 10:52 AM
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First of all, I'm not saying they will do it, nor do I say they should do it.

But let's face it : we're lucky if we can keep Plekaneck under 5M. Mara is gone next season, as is Laraque (unless he turns it around). The Habs will have to sign Lapierre and Bergeron (I think they'll sign both, and there's absolutely no reason not to sign MAB if he asks less than 2M). And there is the goalies to sign as well. Hamrlik is under contract next season as well (and I think it's in our interest to keep him...) but he MIGHT make a good trade bait for a cup-bound team needing a good 2nd pairing D-Men (and having lots of cap-space available). I'm totally indifferent to Spacek, but he earns more than Gomez, so....

The problem : if they get rid of Gomez, they have to find a center for the second line, and that help will likely not be coming from Hamilton : I think Metro might be gone next season (more because of his age than anything), and we would need somebody to take his spot as well. I think it's pretty much a given that Tom Pyatt cannot play a Top-6 role and never will. Not sold on Maxwell, though I do see him playing Metro's role.

Sorry if the post is a mess, but here's the "main" question : Would the Habs agree to send Gomez in the Minors (let's say considering they could NOT trade him if they need cap relief), considering :

a) They need to pay him full salary even if he's in Hamilton
b) It wouldn't count against the cap
c) They don't have anybody ready enough to take his spot OR will need a body to take Metropolit's spot anyways, which means the Habs will need one C anyways.
d) Sending Gomez in the minors effectively ends his NHL career, unless he's traded.

Secondary question : Would/Could they do the same with Jaro Spacek?
Won't happen, your not going bury that salary for years in the Minors, and two Spacek is doing fine...what add him into that?

Pleks is having a fine year, but anything over 5 million per I think is a mistake at this time, Montreal needs to get him in a long term deal where they can make it 4 million per over the life of the deal.

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12-26-2009, 10:54 AM
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I would not give Pleks 5 million. He's having a great season, but we can't afford that.

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Won't happen, your not going bury that salary for years in the Minors, and two Spacek is doing fine...what add him into that?

Pleks is having a fine year, but anything over 5 million per I think is a mistake at this time, Montreal needs to get him in a long term deal where they can make it 4 million per over the life of the deal.
Well said.

You have to remember something in this case... Burying legitimate NHL players in the AHL to hide their salary is something a lot of free agents would frown upon. Imagine come July 1st, the first thing an agent will tell their client is "Oh that's the Canadiens, if you don't perform up to your deal you'll be demoted to the minors".

While there is a certain factor of not caring (you still get that fat paycheck), at the same time you feel extremely humiliated as a human being for the situation and will likely hate the organization for the move, along with many other players throughout the league.

Gomez can perform more then he has, I do believe we will see him lift his game as the season progresses. Unfortunately he does make 3M too much on the cap hit.

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12-26-2009, 10:58 AM
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Kane and Toews signed 5 year 31.5 million deals, Pleks isn't getting that. A 6 year 24 million deal sounds reasonable.

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I doubt that the Molson's would ok having 7.4M$ sitting in the minors... not too mention the money to pay whoever replaces him.

not going to happen not matter how beneficial to the team it would be.


those of you thinking Pleks won't get 5M$+ on the open market next summer (assuming he doesn't re-sign with us prior), are in for a bit of a shock.

we signed Gionta for 5yrs/5M$ in the offseason... pleks is younger and a more complete player, unless you agree that Gainey overpaid big time, how can you think Pleks won't get more?

we signed Cammalleri for 5ys/6M$... what did he have on his resume? 2 good/great seasons, and a goal scorer... if pleks keeps up this pace, he'll have 2 good/great seasons (with one potentially being a top 5-10 scorer in the league), and he is CLEARLY a much more complete player than Cammelleri... Assuming he plays the 2nd half as well as he did in the first half, and unless he re-signs with us at a reduced/favorable rate, he'll be getting a deal in that range from someone.

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we signed Gionta for 5yrs/5M$ in the offseason... pleks is younger and a more complete player, unless you agree that Gainey overpaid big time, how can you think Pleks won't get more?

we signed Cammalleri for 5ys/6M$... what did he have on his resume? 2 good/great seasons, and a goal scorer... if pleks keeps up this pace, he'll have 2 good/great seasons (with one potentially being a top 5-10 scorer in the league), and he is CLEARLY a much more complete player than Cammelleri... Assuming he plays the 2nd half as well as he did in the first half, and unless he re-signs with us at a reduced/favorable rate, he'll be getting a deal in that range from someone.
Plecks abysmal season last year will hold him back on the bargaining table. That, and the recent Savard contract.

He'll get anywhere in between 4 and 5 Million a season for 4 or 5 years. No more than that.

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Added a little something to my original post.

I fully expect Pleks receiving around 5M. That would be in line with the caphit of the somewhat-comparable Marc Savard, who is more proven offensively but doesn't have the overall usefulness of Pleks. And it's not like Savard is a great playoff performer either.

MAB's free agency also have to be considered here. I mean... The guy has a very legit shot at 20 goals, even if he slows down.... I would be mad if we were to offer him more than 2 millions...

As for Spacek, yes, he's useful. But I'd rather have Plekanec, MAB and Subban or Carle than Spacek and only one of Pleks or MAB (and no Subban/Carle). And he has some trade value as well.

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I doubt that the Molson's would ok having 7.4M$ sitting in the minors... not too mention the money to pay whoever replaces him.

not going to happen not matter how beneficial to the team it would be.


those of you thinking Pleks won't get 5M$+ on the open market next summer (assuming he doesn't re-sign with us prior), are in for a bit of a shock.

we signed Gionta for 5yrs/5M$ in the offseason... pleks is younger and a more complete player, unless you agree that Gainey overpaid big time, how can you think Pleks won't get more?

we signed Cammalleri for 5ys/6M$... what did he have on his resume? 2 good/great seasons, and a goal scorer... if pleks keeps up this pace, he'll have 2 good/great seasons (with one potentially being a top 5-10 scorer in the league), and he is CLEARLY a much more complete player than Cammelleri... Assuming he plays the 2nd half as well as he did in the first half, and unless he re-signs with us at a reduced/favorable rate, he'll be getting a deal in that range from someone.
There are only a couple of legit higher teams like Washington or Toronto who maybe able to offer him a good contract, Leafs have a lot of space and need a #1 centre. Caps will save a lot of space getting Theo of the books, but they need to sign Backstrom too.

Teams like Phoenix, Nashville and Columbus have space, but do they have the financing in place as a team to pay the salary?

Other teams like Vancouver have too many of their own RFA's and UFA's to sign.

Montreal will have to watch Burke, I wouldn't be surprised to see him do it as his prized UFA's in Nash and Savard all signed long term during the season.

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Added a little something to my original post.

I fully expect Pleks receiving around 5M. That would be in line with the caphit of the somewhat-comparable Marc Savard, who is more proven offensively but doesn't have the overall usefulness of Pleks. And it's not like Savard is a great playoff performer either.

MAB's free agency also have to be considered here. I mean... The guy has a very legit shot at 20 goals, even if he slows down.... I would be mad if we were to offer him more than 2 millions...

As for Spacek, yes, he's useful. But I'd rather have Plekanec, MAB and Subban or Carle than Spacek and only one of Pleks or MAB (and no Subban/Carle). And he has some trade value as well.
As good as he is playing I don't see a contract coming, if Subban keeps playing well that spot is his next season. Plus, if say for some reason Habs are on the wrong side of the playoff race before the trade deadline he could be a good trade chip as most NHL teams look for PP specialist.

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There are only a couple of legit higher teams like Washington or Toronto who maybe able to offer him a good contract, Leafs have a lot of space and need a #1 centre. Caps will save a lot of space getting Theo of the books, but they need to sign Backstrom too.

Teams like Phoenix, Nashville and Columbus have space, but do they have the financing in place as a team to pay the salary?

Other teams like Vancouver have too many of their own RFA's and UFA's to sign.

Montreal will have to watch Burke, I wouldn't be surprised to see him do it as his prized UFA's in Nash and Savard all signed long term during the season.
Pleks/Kessel.....

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As good as he is playing I don't see a contract coming, if Subban keeps playing well that spot is his next season. Plus, if say for some reason Habs are on the wrong side of the playoff race before the trade deadline he could be a good trade chip as most NHL teams look for PP specialist.
The Habs won't be one of the two teams out of the playoffs race by the Olympics so I just cannot see that happen. If we were in the Western, it might be the case. But we aren't.
(by the way, what's the Trade Deadline Day this year? same as usual?)

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The Habs won't be one of the two teams out of the playoffs race by the Olympics so I just cannot see that happen. If we were in the Western, it might be the case. But we aren't.
(by the way, what's the Trade Deadline Day this year? same as usual?)
March 3, 2010.

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March 3, 2010.
Okay. I don't have a schedule on hand, but I'd be the most surprised guy on this board if the Habs were out for some reason. The Eastern just seems a little too mediocre. Heck, the team ranked 13th might be like 4 points away from the playoffs at that point.

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Okay. I don't have a schedule on hand, but I'd be the most surprised guy on this board if the Habs were out for some reason. The Eastern just seems a little too mediocre. Heck, the team ranked 13th might be like 4 points away from the playoffs at that point.
Your right...

Aside from Carolina, I think we'll see a 4-6pt gap between 14th and 8th for the rest of the year.

Then again, if Carolina goes on a 5-6 game winning streak, everything could change. Staal and Ward can be game breakers, while their playoff hopes are all but smashed I won't write them off to finish last.

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enough with all these gomez threads. the guy is turning it around in the last few games, got 3 points last game, 5 pts in the last 4 games with a couple of pts on the powerplay. obviously he'll never be able to live up to his contract but if he can continue to be a useful player our team is a lot better with him.

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enough with all these gomez threads. the guy is turning it around in the last few games, got 3 points last game, 5 pts in the last 4 games with a couple of pts on the powerplay. obviously he'll never be able to live up to his contract but if he can continue to be a useful player our team is a lot better with him.
I'm obviously not saying he's playing bad, nor am I making a Michel Bergeron of myself.

I just wondered if any of you thinks the Habs Brass could bury a 7.5M contract in the minors in order to keep our key players (Markov, Plekanec) and some not-so-key players (Bergeron).

And indeed, the fact there's nobody close to take his spot in the lineup kinda means we're keeping him, unless Maxwell makes huge strides.

But, at this point (ie, keeping Pleks, and Markov next year) with the cap not going up, this is a point that I think needed to be raised.

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enough with all these gomez threads. the guy is turning it around in the last few games, got 3 points last game, 5 pts in the last 4 games with a couple of pts on the powerplay. obviously he'll never be able to live up to his contract but if he can continue to be a useful player our team is a lot better with him.
Not to mention, he was playing well, before he, and then Gionta got hurt...that being said, Gomez needs to have a big 2nd half of the season for the Habs to be successful...

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I don't understand the hate, he is the best player on the ice when he is there. He can actually control the puck and he is smart. Put the money aside, its not your money why do you care? I've never seen cap space score a goal or set up a play. He's the 3rd best forward on this team right now and he plays with bad linemates.

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I don't understand the hate, he is the best player on the ice when he is there. He can actually control the puck and he is smart. Put the money aside, its not your money why do you care? I've never seen cap space score a goal or set up a play. He's the 3rd best forward on this team right now and he plays with bad linemates.
Ahh, some common sense...thanks...

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I don't understand the hate, he is the best player on the ice when he is there. He can actually control the puck and he is smart. Put the money aside, its not your money why do you care? I've never seen cap space score a goal or set up a play. He's the 3rd best forward on this team right now and he plays with bad linemates.
he's certainly not our best player but with him and plekanec we have 2 very competent centers. it's up to the wingers to put the puck in the net.

people put way too much focus on his contract...gainey knew what he was getting into and will make it work when it comes time to re sign certain key players.

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i could see pleks getting a ribeiro type deal, a 5-year 25m dollar contract

add a year or two and i say a 5m cap hit is great for pleks...

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It's not about hate (absolutely non-surprised to see somebody coming up with that argument, though! The good ol' hate!), it's about not losing guys (Markov, Plekanec) that are superior to Gomez (or Spacek), when we do have (Spacek) or do not have (Gomez) ready replacements.

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Pleks is getting at least 5, if not 6 per year. Don't kid yourself. He's the top offensive player on the team, and one of top offensive players in the league, among his other contributions. The only area he lacks is goal scoring, not sure how much that figures in contracts.

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