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12-26-2009, 11:47 AM
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I guarantee you sending him to the minors will never happen, its not $7.4M you are on the hook for its $25M.

Consider this, you can choose to pay $25M for nothing or you can choose to give up a 1st round draft pick and a 2nd round pick to trade him and save $25M. I think I'd give up the picks before I piss away $25M dollars.

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He is never going down. PERIOD. It also sends the wrong message.

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12-26-2009, 11:49 AM
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12-26-2009, 12:23 PM
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dumb dumb dumb...

Gomez is far from being bad... he needs better wingers... the guy is a ****ing feeder for **** sake... with gionta and pouliot he is a 65pts/year player (which is perfect for me)

yes he is overpaid but ****

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12-26-2009, 12:30 PM
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I would not give Pleks 5 million. He's having a great season, but we can't afford that.
Yes....now that we have a #1 center lets let him walk. What the hell are you smoking.

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12-26-2009, 12:31 PM
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dumb dumb dumb...

Gomez is far from being bad... he needs better wingers... the guy is a ****ing feeder for **** sake... with gionta and pouliot he is a 65pts/year player (which is perfect for me)

yes he is overpaid but ****
If keeping Gomez means losing Plekanec the team needs to find a way to move Gomez. Gomez can not be the reason to let Plekanec walk.

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12-26-2009, 12:36 PM
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dumb dumb dumb...

Gomez is far from being bad... he needs better wingers... the guy is a ****ing feeder for **** sake... with gionta and pouliot he is a 65pts/year player (which is perfect for me)

yes he is overpaid but ****
Gomez, feeder? A myth, mind you. He's a good-to-great passer, no doubt, but a feeder? The guy ended up 16th in shots in the whole league last season.

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12-26-2009, 12:38 PM
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If keeping Gomez means losing Plekanec the team needs to find a way to move Gomez. Gomez can not be the reason to let Plekanec walk.
That is why I raised the question to begin with.
Nothing against Gomez, but the cap WON'T go up (or significantly up) next season, and I think we need to keep Plek, and I'd be pissed if we can't even give 1.5M to Halak and end up getting a 2nd rounder only for him.

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12-26-2009, 12:41 PM
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I guarantee you sending him to the minors will never happen, its not $7.4M you are on the hook for its $25M.

Consider this, you can choose to pay $25M for nothing or you can choose to give up a 1st round draft pick and a 2nd round pick to trade him and save $25M. I think I'd give up the picks before I piss away $25M dollars.

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He is never going down. PERIOD. It also sends the wrong message.
This folks. If you think I raised a bad question...

That is the way to answer.

Congrats macavoy for keeping your calm.

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12-26-2009, 12:46 PM
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Plecks abysmal season last year will hold him back on the bargaining table. That, and the recent Savard contract.

He'll get anywhere in between 4 and 5 Million a season for 4 or 5 years. No more than that.
the savard deal won't have any bearing on what Pleks gets IF he hits the open market. There is a difference between what guys are willing to sign for when they are comfortable and want to stay where they are and trust the direction the organization is going in (and want to make it easier to keep other talented players), and guys that hit the free market, looking for a chance to cash in/find a better situation.

If Pleks isn't signed before July 1st, it's because he either has another destination in mind, or wants to see what he's worth. If he continues this pace and finishes with 80-90pts, there will be a team out there willing to go over 5M$ for him.

let's not forget, Savard is a more proven scorer, no doubt about it, but Pleks is definitely the better all around player, and if he's shown enough this year to convince teams that he can be a 70+pt guy, he's going to "break the bank".

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12-26-2009, 12:49 PM
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If keeping Gomez means losing Plekanec the team needs to find a way to move Gomez. Gomez can not be the reason to let Plekanec walk.
Makes sense. Retaining Pleks becomes no1 priority.

However, to bury Gomez in the minors is not the way to go. It's crazy. We will have to find another solution. You can't send away the guy you just acquired for a former no1 pick because the contract is heavy. The guy still is NHL quality no matter how you slice it. We can try and see if a team will bite on a trade or other players will be traded to clear cap space for the new Plekanec contract.

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12-26-2009, 12:59 PM
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If keeping Gomez means losing Plekanec the team needs to find a way to move Gomez. Gomez can not be the reason to let Plekanec walk.
Suppose we need to pay to get rid of Gomez so we can resign Pleks. Suppose we have to give a 1st rounder for someone to take on Gomez's contract.

Why not trade Pleks and a 1st rounder for a true #1 centre because thats basically what you are paying to keep Pleks.

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Plecks abysmal season last year will hold him back on the bargaining table. That, and the recent Savard contract.

He'll get anywhere in between 4 and 5 Million a season for 4 or 5 years. No more than that.
last year wont factor much into the salary, the whole team was garbage.

And savards contract was engineerd to circumvent the cap he is still making a ton of money.

Personally I kinda hope he walks and wouldnt be surprised if he did, its a trend not alot of these guys are appreciated in Montreal. I will always be a Plekanic fan he is a worker.

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12-26-2009, 01:05 PM
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Personally I kinda hope he walks and wouldnt be surprised if he did, its a trend not alot of these guys are appreciated in Montreal. I will always be a Plekanic fan he is a worker.
That's an odd thing to think about a player you really like playing for your favorite team.

I just wanted to point out to the OP that Bergeron will be an after-thought for a contract next year, just like he was this year to the entire NHL. If budgeting him in is even considered when trying to find room for Pleks' new deal than this organization is even worse shape than I could imagine.

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12-26-2009, 01:15 PM
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Suppose we need to pay to get rid of Gomez so we can resign Pleks. Suppose we have to give a 1st rounder for someone to take on Gomez's contract.

Why not trade Pleks and a 1st rounder for a true #1 centre because thats basically what you are paying to keep Pleks.
Because if we let Plekanec walk it's because we dont have the money. We wont be able to afford an other top C.

And for your info among centers plekanec is...
Points: #4 3 points behind crosby.
Assists: #2.
PK time on ice: 133 min. #2 in the league. The closes top C in the league is Marleau at 98 mins.
The PK is now #8 in the league and climbing.
Is the center of the #1 PP unit in the league.

I dont know what definition of a #1 center is. But the sad truth is that you have one on your team and you dont realize it.

I would rahter give the rest of Gomez's contract to Plekanec if that was possible. At least we get a bit of a return on our investment. And for your other question....yes I wouldnt mind paying to get rid of that contract. The free cap space would be worth it. People kept crying because we were paying $4.5M for a #1 center that was in fact a #2 C. Now we are paying 7.3 for that.

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12-26-2009, 01:33 PM
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That's an odd thing to think about a player you really like playing for your favorite team.

I just wanted to point out to the OP that Bergeron will be an after-thought for a contract next year, just like he was this year to the entire NHL. If budgeting him in is even considered when trying to find room for Pleks' new deal than this organization is even worse shape than I could imagine.
...Actually, you're right.

But, he could score 20, so....

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12-26-2009, 01:46 PM
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...Actually, you're right.

But, he could score 20, so....
I understand why you would want to keep him, I'm not against it either but there is a reason why he wasn't signed in the summer and we have seen it ourselves. He scored a lot for a d-man last year too. It's not like he's Streit and getting used to the league and could explode, you know what you are getting with him. But at the cost of keeping Pleks you sign him first and then worry about Bergeron, I was just a little concerned with you prioritizing them the same. Bergeron is fitting in nicely on this team as a niche player, but it's hard to put just one specialist on your roster without compromising other aspects the team needs to help them win, he's been lucky there have been injuries lately and they were the reason he was signed in the first place.

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12-26-2009, 02:29 PM
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I'm not trying to slam Plekanec, or claim that Gomez is not overpaid, however, it should be noted that (until this season) Plekanec has been outscored by Gomez every season that he has played. It's also interesting to note that a poll on this board this past summer had a 2-1 margin favoring retaining Saku Koivu for $3.25 million over Plekanec at $2.75 million.

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Trading to get Gomez on our books and putting him into the minors after his first season is ultimate failure. Gainey would never do it.

Can't lose pleks next year, Gomez isn't 1st line quality. If Hamrlik needs to go it will happen, Pleks will be signed.

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What you do is this. (Obviously if pleks agree's)

You sign him to a one year 3.5-4 million dollar deal then at the end of next year when Hamrlik's 5.5 million comes of the books you give him his pay day 5yr/25 million.

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I think that at the begining of the season i would've said no, but now, with Nylander getting sent down, and Redden knocking on Hartford's door, I could see it as being plausible. THAT BEING SAID, I don't think Gomez is that much of a waste to send him down, he's too valuable, but high paid low producing players will start getting sent down.

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Also I dont think it's possible. You are only allowed a certain amount of money in your farm club I think.

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NJ Devils did it with Malakhov i think. They saved 3.5M on the cap.

Bob should have done the same with Samsonov but he brought him out.

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NJ Devils did it with Malakhov i think. They saved 3.5M on the cap.

Bob should have done the same with Samsonov but he brought him out.
The Sharks took Malakhov and got the Devils' First Round pick for two non-roster players.

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NJ Devils did it with Malakhov i think. They saved 3.5M on the cap.

Bob should have done the same with Samsonov but he brought him out.
He was traded to Chicago for Cullimore and Salaminen, or something like that. Then both of those players were bought out.

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