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12-27-2009, 08:56 AM
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Edler not being there is the shock. He should have been a lock. To me, that's the big knock. This roster is ripe to mock.
He had an awful world champs not long ago. Plain out awful. I've seen Niinimaa play better for Finland in his late years than Edler did for sweden.

Good choice to let him rest instead. He can build up his name as a national team player later on.

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12-27-2009, 09:04 AM
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As usual everybody just focusing on NAMES and forgetting that BÅG is building a Team where everybody have different ROLES. Johansson is there for two reasons. He's right-handed and he's great on the point in PP. He's not there to shut down Crosby and Ovechkin. That's what Tallinder, Murray and Öhlund does.

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12-27-2009, 09:08 AM
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Edler not being there is the shock. He should have been a lock.
Edler? Not fan of him at all. I would have prefered Hjalmarsson or J.Ericsson but one could name 10 guys better suited to make the team than Magnus Johansson. Johansson is a very skilled guy and a quality guy but he's simply not strong enough. If it was a right handed shot BÅG was out for then why not pick Strålman. As weak as he is, he's still stronger than Johansson. And both a better skater and used to the small rinks.

As for Modin.. I could have accepted it if it wasn't for the fact that we only have 12 forwards picked. He hasn't shown anything worthy of an Olympic spot and just like Forsberg he's injured most of the time. Add to this the fact that Holmström probably will be the worst skating forward on any of the Big 7 countries rosters and we're pretty much down to 9 forwards that have adequate skating ability.. and none of those 9 are especially quick either.

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12-27-2009, 09:12 AM
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As usual everybody just focusing on NAMES and forgetting that BÅG is building a Team where everybody have different ROLES. Johansson is there for two reasons. He's right-handed and he's great on the point in PP. He's not there to shut down Crosby and Ovechkin. That's what Tallinder, Murray and Öhlund does.
Ah, so that's why mediocre offensive wingers have made the team instead of defensive specialists...

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12-27-2009, 09:13 AM
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Players I would've picked ahead of Weinhandl:

Samuelsson, Vancouver - bigger and leaps ahead of Vinhandlarn on small ice.

Sjöström, Calgary - Decent role player who would be pretty useful against teams that skate well.

Huselius, Columbus - Much better offensively than Vinhandlarn. On both ice surfaces. Quite a bit better on the big ice, huge amounts better on the small ice.

Bergfors, New Jersey - Although not eligable.... Young and a big piece of sweden's future that seems to be ready for primetime already.

R.Wallin, Toronto - Not much good at all, but better than Weinhandl.

Davidsson - A better ice hockey player than Weinhandl.

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12-27-2009, 09:14 AM
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+ he is very very very soft.



btw my lineup:

Loui Eriksson - Henrik Zetterberg - Daniel Alfredsson

Mattias Weinhandl - Henrik Sedin - Daniel Sedin

Patric Hörnqvist - Nicklas Bäckström - Peter Forsberg

Tomas Holmström - Samuel Påhlsson - Fredrik Modin ( )


Lidström - Kronwall
Tallinder - Öhlund
Oduya - Murray
I'd say these lines are more likely. No way is Bäckström playing on the third line.

Henrik Zetterberg - Nicklas Bäckström - Daniel Alfredsson

Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Mattias Weinhandl

Loui Eriksson - Peter Forsberg - Patric Hörnqvist

Tomas Holmström - Samuel Påhlsson - Fredrik Modin

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R.Wallin, Toronto - but better than Weinhandl.

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12-27-2009, 09:20 AM
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LOL!
Not by much, but still. I'd think that it's a matter of taste since they are so close.

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I'd say these lines are more likely. No way is Bäckström playing on the third line.

Henrik Zetterberg - Nicklas Bäckström - Daniel Alfredsson

Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Mattias Weinhandl

Loui Eriksson - Peter Forsberg - Patric Hörnqvist

Tomas Holmström - Samuel Påhlsson - Fredrik Modin
Henrik Zetterberg - Nicklas Bäckström - Tomas Holmström

Loui Eriksson - Peter Forsberg - Daniel Alfredsson

Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Mattias Weinhandl

Fredrik Modin - Samuel Påhlsson - Patric Hörnqvist

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12-27-2009, 09:30 AM
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Loui Eriksson - Peter Forsberg - Patric Hörnqvist
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Loui Eriksson - Peter Forsberg - Daniel Alfredsson
Forsberg doesn't even play center in the SEL, he's probably not going to in the Olympics.

Forsberg - Zetterberg - Alfredsson
Eriksson - Bäckström - Hörnqvist
Sedin - Sedin - Weinhandl
Modin - Påhlsson - Holmström

Bäckström and Hörnqvist played very well together at the '08 Worlds, should be a duo.


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12-27-2009, 09:34 AM
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Henrik Zetterberg - Nicklas Bäckström - Tomas Holmström

Loui Eriksson - Peter Forsberg - Daniel Alfredsson

Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Mattias Weinhandl

Fredrik Modin - Samuel Påhlsson - Patric Hörnqvist
You're crazy if you think the Sedins are going to be playing third-line minutes in this tournament and Forsberg is going to center the second line. Changing of the guard is at hand. The Sedins are already more dominant players than four of the six players you have listed in your top-six (and probably five, for this season at the very least). Of course, given some of the selections to this team, one never knows...

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is there a reserve list? who will get the call when (not if) floppa is injured?

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12-27-2009, 09:39 AM
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is there a reserve list? who will get the call when (not if) floppa is injured?
BÅG himself will step in and Norström will take charge behind the bench.

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You're crazy if you think the Sedins are going to be playing third-line minutes in this tournament and Forsberg is going to center the second line. Changing of the guard is at hand. The Sedins are already more dominant players than four of the six players you have listed in your top-six (and possibly five, for this season at least). Of course, given some of the selections to this team, one never knows...
Agreed, the Sedins are simply tearing the NHL up and have started playing at a higher level. It isn't the year 2006 anymore.

Daniel and Henrik are #5 and #6 respectively in the NHL in average points per game, while the Canucks as a team have been mediocore this season, the guys who have been the most consistent for the canucks have been Henrik and Daniel.

I have them on Sweden's #1 line right now.


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He had an awful world champs not long ago. Plain out awful. I've seen Niinimaa play better for Finland in his late years than Edler did for sweden.

Good choice to let him rest instead. He can build up his name as a national team player later on.
edler 2nd swe

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Forsberg doesn't even play center in the SEL, he's probably not going to in the Olympics.

Forsberg - Zetterberg - Alfredsson
Eriksson - Bäckström - Hörnqvist
Sedin - Sedin - Weinhandl
Modin - Påhlsson - Holmström

Bäckström and Hörnqvist played very well together at the '08 Worlds, should be a duo.
And now you've provided us a second line with a guy who has 35 NHL points total on the second line while the second-leading scorer in the league plays a checking role. Odd.

Along with Backstrom, Eriksson, and Zetterberg, the Sedins will be the anchor of this team, now and in the future. That's a very solid group of scoring forwards. With Alfredsson thrown into the mix, the Swedes should be able to put up some points.

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Agreed, the Sedins are simply tearing the NHL up and have started playing at a higher level. It isn't the year 2006 anymore.

Daniel and Henrik are #5 and #6 respectively in the NHL in average points per game, while the Canucks as a team have been mediocore this season, the guys who have been the most consistent for the canucks have been Henrik and Daniel.

I have them on Sweden's #1 line right now.
They were amazing on PK last Olympics, so if they get a lot of PK/PP time they might not get massive 5on5 time. Sweden probably don't want to use them 25 minutes a game.

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And now you've provided us a second line with a guy who has 35 NHL points total on the second line while the second-leading scorer in the league plays a checking role. Odd.
You need to stop crazy-staring at the order of the lines. BÅG doesn't like to rank lines, you know. Odd, yes.

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edler 2nd swe
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I'm not that familiar with swedish (international...) hockey (and politics), or with BAG as a GM/coach...

But why exactly Huselius is left off?
And why Hjalmarsson and Grossman are left off?
And does Kenny Jonsson still play? Can he play at this level? I really liked the guy when he was here.

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There is a good chance id reckon. Also, I cannot keep myself from posting my latest offensive lineups.

Zetterberg - Berglund - Holmström
Eriksson - Bäckström - Alfredsson
Sedin - Sedin - Samuelsson
Modin - Påhlsson - Hörnqvist
Brunnström

An advantage to instead play Zetterberg as center, would be to bring in some other winger, like Ekman or Weinhandl. Well we'l see, I think I will stop speculating now.
Seems no need to speculate anymore.

As for the roster

Pluses

+ Modin and Påhlsson are good choices, especially the former given Franzén will not be playing, for his power.

+ Huselius and Co will not be playing, good, they do not deserve nor is it acceptable for me that they should be in the national team.

Minuses

- I'm missing; Samuelsson, Berglund (OK though, Forsberg is in the roster), Edler, Hedman.

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+ Huselius and Co will not be playing, good, they do not deserve nor is it acceptable for me that they should be in the national team.
Tallinder?

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But why exactly Huselius is left off?
Whose top-6 spot was he going to take?

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And why Hjalmarsson and Grossman are left off?
BÅG probably doesn't know who those guys are. He didn't even know that Murray was in fact Swedish a few years ago.

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And does Kenny Jonsson still play? Can he play at this level? I really liked the guy when he was here.
Kenny retired in June.

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This roster looks very strong. Again a decision to go 12/8.

The only possible advantage that I can see in bringing 8 defensemen is that you have the flexibility to mix and match the pairs.

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Just saw that Tallinder is in the team, bad, very bad. Hard to digest.

Also a bit shocking that Hedberg is out of the team, for Liv (I can only laugh at that).

The offense is definitely the best part of the roster.

The hope for the north may be Finland.

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