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12-29-2009, 09:14 AM
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I'm pretty sure most Flyers fans believe that a healthy Parent could occupy a top 4 role immediately and be effective. In fact, he's done it before.

Also, whether you were angry or not, you were certainly unnecessarily belligerent and you need to relax with calling people homers. Just because someone has a different opinion does not automatically make them an optimistic homer.

Look, don't start. Without you this thread really got into something constructive. I like constructive threads. Now you're devolving it back into a name-calling troll fest with loopholes and spelling errors.
where is the name calling? troll fest with loopholes? you have issues. spellign well that wont change. enjoy your day.

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12-29-2009, 09:15 AM
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I have no problem with trading Hartnell if Maroon was ready. Is he though? I dont think so.
Ready as in, he will score 25-30 goals next season?

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12-29-2009, 09:16 AM
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Ready as in, he will score 25-30 goals next season?
No, he will not. I'm pretty confident in that much. Definitely not on the third line with Powe as a center.

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12-29-2009, 09:18 AM
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Maroon-Matsumoto-Powe

that could be awesome
matsomotu is a decent skater, havent seen him this year obviously but i do nto think he will ever get a chance. maroon with powe wont work he cant keep up. if anyone has seen maroon this year has his skating improved? last year it was not that good. goign by just the stats maroon has struggled big time this year. again havent seen him play just stat wise. i also would rather have pwoe on the 4th lienplaying 10 minutes a night as he would be more effective. not sure he is a 3rd line guy.

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12-29-2009, 09:19 AM
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Ready as in, he will score 25-30 goals next season?
i will really go out on a limb ans say he wont even make the team next year.

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12-29-2009, 09:26 AM
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Real goalie cost way more.. I do not see a big difference in terms of skill between 1.5M goalie and 3.5M goalie.

There are exceptions Khabibulin and Roloson.
A piece of a whole Kaktus. Other pieces would need to get moved around as well. I'm ready, personally, to spend the money on a goaltender. Even if the expense is Carle + Hartnell.

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12-29-2009, 09:26 AM
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Also, NWO, if you could at least try using some capitalization it might make your posts a tad bit easier to read. (see: I might actually read them.)

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12-29-2009, 09:57 AM
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A piece of a whole Kaktus. Other pieces would need to get moved around as well. I'm ready, personally, to spend the money on a goaltender. Even if the expense is Carle + Hartnell.
Carle and Emerys $ around 5M a year.

What #1 are available, next year UFA or trade.
Vokoun? 5.7M a year Possible. He is a good goalie.
Turco? I'd give him a try but for what money? No way he is worth 5.7
Lehtonen? Better have at least two back ups because of his injuries. Possible tough.
Nabokov? I would love him but he is going to cost and I do not think he will move.
Jean-Sebastien Giguere? 6M a year seems pricey.

Roloson? I think he still got it but he is getting old.
Theodore? Personally I can not stand him.
Cristobal Huet is probably available, I won’t even go there.
Biron. Done that before.
Vesa Toskala? Is he really better then Emery?

There are some youngsters that might be available Halak, Hiller, Schneider, Josh Harding, Pavelec who knows maybe even Price.

Ideally, if Briere can be moved I would go for a big fish.

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12-29-2009, 10:09 AM
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Carle and Emerys $ around 5M a year.

What #1 are available, next year UFA or trade.
Vokoun? 5.7M a year Possible. He is a good goalie.
Turco? I'd give him a try but for what money? No way he is worth 5.7
Lehtonen? Better have at least two back ups because of his injuries. Possible tough.
Nabokov? I would love him but he is going to cost and I do not think he will move.
Jean-Sebastien Giguere? 6M a year seems pricey.

Roloson? I think he still got it but he is getting old.
Theodore? Personally I can not stand him.
Cristobal Huet is probably available, I won’t even go there.
Biron. Done that before.
Vesa Toskala? Is he really better then Emery?

There are some youngsters that might be available Halak, Hiller, Schneider, Josh Harding, Pavelec who knows maybe even Price.

Ideally, if Briere can be moved I would go for a big fish.
The best answer, imo.

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12-29-2009, 10:59 AM
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The best answer, imo.
He's the only one on that list I'd spend any money on.

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12-29-2009, 11:21 AM
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He's the only one on that list I'd spend any money on.
Agreed, Vokoun is very good.

Parent's biggest problem, his back. The ****er is always injured, like right now. He is not skating at practice today.

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12-29-2009, 11:36 AM
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Parent is a top 4 defenseman if hes healthy, which has been stated countless times has been a problem for him.
Does it concern anyone that, A Vokoun doesnt play in a pressure packed envirement, and B he has played in 5 playoff games in his career.
I think hes a good goaltender, dont get me wrong but I dont think he should be option A if the Flyers decide to persue goaltending again.

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12-30-2009, 02:33 AM
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frankly i deal coburn before carle. hell be the more expensive contract of the two if his number is big enough that we have to consider making a trade. should that problem arise i have no problem playing parent on the second pairing.

parent right now is a decent 4/5 guy. makes few mistakes but doesnt impress much. hes still developing and could one day be a solid second pairing anchor. his skill set and smart defensive play make him a valuable addition without the bells and whistles that drive up contracts like big hits and point production. if he can resolve his injury problems hell be a reliable cheap defenseman for many years to come.

i fear he lacks the offensive ability to play on the 2nd pp unit and doesnt have the shutdown ability yet to command 1st pk time. though i think given time he could grow into that. i see him very similar to jones valuewise though with an almost completely inverted skillset and a good contract. but with the added pontential to get better.
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No one here ever said he had number one shut-down potential.

I can promise you if Pronger wasn't acquired it'd be Parent in the top 4. Despite health issues he is a very good shut-down defenseman. He can't really be a number one because he's one-dimensional. That one-dimension though, he does exceptionally well. It's a little like the anti-Jones I guess, but this doesn't cost us goals-against.

Also, lately you should not question Carle. He's played pretty well defensively.

And most people here may not agree with me, but I think Carle has potential to be a number 1 guy as much as Coburn. I didn't think that until this year, and you can't just say it's all Pronger. Carle looks like a force right now.

It's going to be a pretty interesting decision this summer.
look everybody the staff guys said the same thing as me!

i feel smart now

I am so smart s-m-r-t

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12-30-2009, 05:43 AM
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I'll take him over Coburn and Carle. I know I'm a homer.
Yes, you are.

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The trade value of Carle is as high as it will ever be for this upcoming offseason. Get the assets we can get for him and save his cap space.
The question is, do you get fair value. Right now, you gotta believe that Carle's value to the Flyers is pretty high. He's been the best defenders for them this year, and it doesn't really matter if it's because of Pronger or not, the fact that he would be able to play the next few years with the big guy might keep him to that level of play. Carle looks like a potential number one dman right now, not sure that he can maintain this level of play, but if he does, you don't trade that kind of player very often.


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Pronger-Coburn (maybe he will take strides like Carle did playing with Pronger)
Timonen-Parent (reunite this pairing to handle Crosby)
Bartulis-X (x=big hard nose UFA defenseman)
Because it worked so well in the past...



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well i guess you version of playing well and mine really differ. he is avg at best in the defenisve zone. playing well for a few game stretch is fine but wont change my opinion. he also doesnt bring enough offense to make up for his defensive shortcomings
Wow, that's scary, mine also differs from yours.





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Vokoun? 5.7M a year Possible. He is a good goalie.
This would be the guy I would go for, if Ray wants too much money.
But what are you going to give up? We don't have any picks till the next century. I think it would be Hartnell+, also for cap purpose.
Than you pretty much loose Carle, Emery and Hartnell for Vokoun and the value you get back for Carle. Don't know if that's a good deal.
I rather have Carle and Emery than Vokoun.
But nevertheless, Vokoun would be the next choice if Emery gets crazy.

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12-30-2009, 07:32 AM
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This would be the guy I would go for, if Ray wants too much money.
But what are you going to give up? We don't have any picks till the next century. I think it would be Hartnell+, also for cap purpose.
Than you pretty much loose Carle, Emery and Hartnell for Vokoun and the value you get back for Carle. Don't know if that's a good deal.
I rather have Carle and Emery than Vokoun.
But nevertheless, Vokoun would be the next choice if Emery gets crazy.
I'd rather Vokoun than Carle and Emery, and I like Carle and Emery.

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12-30-2009, 08:18 AM
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Carle has also not done anything offensively since the first 12 games or so. Didnt he have like 12 points in those first 12 games or so? Has put up what 7 since?

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