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12-29-2009, 11:28 AM
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JVR's Struggles

Does anyone else think that it might be a good idea to send him down for a little while? He's hit a massive rough patch with just one goal and one assist in his last 19 games. His ice time has been on a continuing downslide from 15-16 minutes to 10-11 minutes. The job he is doing on the 3rd line isn't helping him develop as a player, and that spot could be taken by someone else (Mika, Lappy). Right now the Phantoms are struggling with scoring as Chris noted with his recent article, and if JVR could get his confidence and scoring touch back in the AHL, he hopefully could come back to the NHL and show some of the offensive ability he had in the beginning of the season. Sort of the same thing as Giroux last year, but doing it mid-season instead of having him start off the season in the AHL. There are a whole lot of things that point to this being a good idea if you ask me. Thoughts?

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Does anyone else think that it might be a good idea to send him down for a little while? He's hit a massive rough patch with just one goal and one assist in his last 19 games. His ice time has been on a continuing downslide from 15-16 minutes to 10-11 minutes. The job he is doing on the 3rd line isn't helping him develop as a player, and that spot could be taken by someone else (Mika, Lappy). Right now the Phantoms are struggling with scoring as Chris noted with his recent article, and if JVR could get his confidence and scoring touch back in the AHL, he hopefully could come back to the NHL and show some of the offensive ability he had in the beginning of the season. Sort of the same thing as Giroux last year, but doing it mid-season instead of having him start off the season in the AHL. There are a whole lot of things that point to this being a good idea if you ask me. Thoughts?
He's gone from how many games a season in college to a full NHL schedule?

This was bound to happen.

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Sounds good to me. Give Maroon a little NHL ice time while we're at it.

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I hate to see it; the guy charged out of the gate looking like a seasoned veteran until the whole team started to stink.

I only wonder if being sent down would only crush his confidence more?

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He's gone from how many games a season in college to a full NHL schedule?

This was bound to happen.
and most likely one of the bigger reasons holmgren didn't want him playing in college anymore, we need our young talent to be contributors with our cap problems, and this may have been forseen to an extent...

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Sounds good to me. Give Maroon a little NHL ice time while we're at it.
Maroon has played his way out of being a call up as of now...when you're a goal-scoring winger and you're not scoring goals in the AHL...

JVR has hit the wall to an extent, but he doesn't look out of place out there...I'm not sure why there is any need to send him down at this point. Let him work through it, and hopefully he'll catch a 2nd wind. The Olympic break should help him.

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Maroon has played his way out of being a call up as of now...when you're a goal-scoring winger and you're not scoring goals in the AHL...

JVR has hit the wall to an extent, but he doesn't look out of place out there...I'm not sure why there is any need to send him down at this point. Let him work through it, and hopefully he'll catch a 2nd wind. The Olympic break should help him.
Fair enough. Nodl again, then?

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Nodl sucks
Why do people think this guy deserves more of a look?

I was going to bring it up but someone already did mention it. The college season consists of 35-40 games depending on tournaments ect so it doesnt shock me JVR has hit the wall production wise.
Add into it the pro game is much more physically demanding then the college game. Not sure what sending him to the AHL would accomplish honestly.


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12-29-2009, 11:42 AM
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My only problem with JVR is that he does not look as strong as Richards or Carter did at that age.


Other then that, he is fine. No problem with a rookie with 4 GWG

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Does anyone else think that it might be a good idea to send him down for a little while? He's hit a massive rough patch with just one goal and one assist in his last 19 games. His ice time has been on a continuing downslide from 15-16 minutes to 10-11 minutes. The job he is doing on the 3rd line isn't helping him develop as a player, and that spot could be taken by someone else (Mika, Lappy). Right now the Phantoms are struggling with scoring as Chris noted with his recent article, and if JVR could get his confidence and scoring touch back in the AHL, he hopefully could come back to the NHL and show some of the offensive ability he had in the beginning of the season. Sort of the same thing as Giroux last year, but doing it mid-season instead of having him start off the season in the AHL. There are a whole lot of things that point to this being a good idea if you ask me. Thoughts?
I think the best thing for JVR would be to have a controlled amount of icetime as he builds stamina in the NHL. The kid is a 2nd Overall pick, he needs to get stronger and play against real NHL players if he is going to bloom into something special. Power forwards are a little slower to develop anyway, and he is just 20 right now.

Sending him down, to me, would kinda set him back a bit. He isn't some late 1st Rounder who needs to develop against limited AHL talent, he is a top flight prospect who should work on his game against real NHL'ers. So what if he starts slow? The kid has 20pts in 35 games! That's way better then AHL talent level.

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12-29-2009, 11:53 AM
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He hasn't looked bad with his ice time. He is still making smart plays, just not the same caliber he was earlier in the year.

I would contribute it to: (in this order)

Being a little worn out (hasn't he played almost as many games this season as a college season would give him? In rapid succession lately, as well, and against guys MUCH better, stronger, faster and meaner)

The rest of the team being brutal

Trying to learn a new system (has to be much harder on a rookie)

Playing 10 minutes a night, with no PP time

Having Asham and Powe as linemates (I mean, lets face it, Powe is now going out of his way to not rack up assists, haha.)


Sending him to the minors would be a mistake, imo.

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Sending him down will do nothing for him, he should continue to work through the NHL and continue to learn and get better. I would be on board with sending him down if he looked out of place at this level, but he has still played well even without the scoring. For his age he isn't a bad defensive player and most games he generates some good scoring chances. He's a rookie so streaks are to be expected both good and bad, and as the team (hopefully) starts putting it back together and pulling themselves out of this terrible scoring drought he should be putting up some better numbers.

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Playing him with 2 plugs doesnt help.

When he was playing well he was playing a top 6 role like he should be

Poor coaching imo. You need to play players where they can succeed. This coach is not. Coach = fail

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Playing him with 2 plugs doesnt help.

When he was playing well he was playing a top 6 role like he should be

Poor coaching imo. You need to play players where they can succeed. This coach is not. Coach = fail
We have 7 top 6 players, someone has to get bumped down. The rookie makes the most sense.

I agree that JVR should get a little more ice time and maybe some more time with the top guys, but on the other hand players earn their ice time and if he hasn't been putting up points then bumping him out of the top 6 makes some sense. When he turns it around in the production department he can easily be worked in for some more minutes out there.

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I would keep him up and wait for the Olympic break. Hopefully afterwards he can catch a 2nd wind and get going again.

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He is just going through his bumps as a rookie. I think they should keep him up he is bound to snap out of it.

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Having Asham and Powe as linemates (I mean, lets face it, Powe is now going out of his way to not rack up assists, haha.)
This.

Well, i have no problem with Powe as our third line center (he's doin a fine job for a role-player) but maybe someone like Legein, who is much more offensively-gifted, could be better suited as a complementary winger for JVR.

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Playing him with 2 plugs doesnt help.

When he was playing well he was playing a top 6 role like he should be

Poor coaching imo. You need to play players where they can succeed. This coach is not. Coach = fail
ok genius who do you take out our current top 6 to switch him with JVR?

I dont think JVR is ready for a everyday top 6 role at this point. He had been struggling playing on Carters line earlier this season and was struggling with Giroux as well.
i dont have a problem playing him somewhere on the bottom 6. He still brings some things to the table and can create some chances. He is a good defensive player and has not looked out of place at all.

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I don't like to evaluate someone's struggles when the whole stinkin' team sucks. Everyone's trying to improve.

I say leave him up. He'll get a break with the Olympics coming up.

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Does anyone else think that it might be a good idea to send him down for a little while? He's hit a massive rough patch with just one goal and one assist in his last 19 games. His ice time has been on a continuing downslide from 15-16 minutes to 10-11 minutes. The job he is doing on the 3rd line isn't helping him develop as a player, and that spot could be taken by someone else (Mika, Lappy). Right now the Phantoms are struggling with scoring as Chris noted with his recent article, and if JVR could get his confidence and scoring touch back in the AHL, he hopefully could come back to the NHL and show some of the offensive ability he had in the beginning of the season. Sort of the same thing as Giroux last year, but doing it mid-season instead of having him start off the season in the AHL. There are a whole lot of things that point to this being a good idea if you ask me. Thoughts?
I made this same thread like 8ish games ago and kinda got killed. I agree with you. He's very up and down, definitely seems to have hit a wall. He could certainly be worse though. He's not a liability, he just isn't being his creative self.

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ok genius who do you take out our current top 6 to switch him with JVR?

I dont think JVR is ready for a everyday top 6 role at this point. He had been struggling playing on Carters line earlier this season and was struggling with Giroux as well.
i dont have a problem playing him somewhere on the bottom 6. He still brings some things to the table and can create some chances. He is a good defensive player and has not looked out of place at all.
Hartnell, please for the love of god, put him on the 3rd line where a stone-handed agitator deserves to be. I honestly think Asham has more stick skills than this idiot.

He deserves PP time so that he can screen a goalie, but in ES he is a tremendous liable on a line with people who have scoring talent.

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Hartnell, please for the love of god, put him on the 3rd line where a stone-handed agitator deserves to be. I honestly think Asham has more stick skills than this idiot.

He deserves PP time so that he can screen a goalie, but in ES he is a tremendous liable on a line with people who have scoring talent.
the guy got 30 goals last season and is on pace for 20 plus this season.
not bad for a guy with "stone hands"
I like JVR but right now he shouldnt be on the top 6 over any of our current top 6 when healthy

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Fair enough. Nodl again, then?
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Nodl sucks
Why do people think this guy deserves more of a look?
That was my point. You don't want to see Maroon, who do you want to see then....Matsumoto, Nodl, kalinski? We know what they are.

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Legein?
I guess him or Laliberte might make sense. The team could still use a little more scoring touch. Then again it sounds brain-damaged to say you're sending down JVR and calling up Laliberte because you need some scoring touch.

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