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12-29-2009, 04:10 PM
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12-29-2009, 04:12 PM
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They'd read Ann Landers or watch 'The View' if either ever mentioned the NYR's

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12-29-2009, 04:18 PM
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I always figured Higgins could be dealt at the Trade deadline. There are teams out there that will take achance in him getting hot in the post season & he won't cost that much.

If Kotalik was a UFA at years end, or even had 1 year remaning on his contract I think he could be dealt as well. No way anyone takes him with 2 years left on his deal. Honestly I think he could be an asset to us if he could get his defensive game together, other wise burying him on the 4th line & playing him on the point on a PP is fine by me.

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12-29-2009, 04:27 PM
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didn't his latest gaffe lead to the SHG in the Islander game this past Sat? People said he stunk, i never realized how bad.
Combination of Del Zottos over commitment on the play as well.

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12-29-2009, 05:08 PM
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Please dump Kotalik anyway possible...

I don't want to lose $3 mil in cap space for the next 2 seasons for a 4th line even strength player....

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Kotalik is fine as long as EVERY POWERPLAY ends in Del Zotto passing to Kotalik for a blast and goal.

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12-29-2009, 07:25 PM
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I guess I'm alone in thinking that Kotalik is roughly meeting expectations, and valueable to this team. Sure he can improve his defensive focus, but same can be said about a lot of players. And his value to the powerplay simply can't be replaced without giving up a lot of assets in a trade, and probably without paying even more salary.

Consider Kotalik to be the polar opposite of Betts. A power play specialist vs. a penalty killing specialist. Only difference is, as we've learned this year - penalty killers easier replaced than PP specialists.

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12-29-2009, 07:39 PM
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I guess I'm alone in thinking that Kotalik is roughly meeting expectations, and valueable to this team. Sure he can improve his defensive focus, but same can be said about a lot of players. And his value to the powerplay simply can't be replaced without giving up a lot of assets in a trade, and probably without paying even more salary.

Consider Kotalik to be the polar opposite of Betts. A power play specialist vs. a penalty killing specialist. Only difference is, as we've learned this year - penalty killers easier replaced than PP specialists.
But he's a powerplay specialist who is not producing on the power play. He has 2 points in his last 16 games! The spark he gave our PP early on has disappeared. He's on pace for 13 goals in 72 games, which would be the worst goals per game output of his career, by a solid margin.

For the last month and a half he has been bad at everything.

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12-29-2009, 08:30 PM
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For the Rangers? Yea maybe but not from PHX's stand point. If Maloney said no to Sanguinetti what makes you think he will say yes to Kotalik?
good question...it'd be like trading an apple for an apple except one is more ripe

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12-29-2009, 08:31 PM
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The club is also trying to move RW Ales Kotalik, who has been a healthy scratch for four straight games.
That's interesting, considering the last four games against NYI, FLA, CAR and NYI his ice time has been 9:22, 9:35, 11:36 and 7:06. He was benched for the second of the back to back NYI games and the PHI game.

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12-29-2009, 09:00 PM
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I guess I'm alone in thinking that Kotalik is roughly meeting expectations, and valueable to this team. Sure he can improve his defensive focus, but same can be said about a lot of players. And his value to the powerplay simply can't be replaced without giving up a lot of assets in a trade, and probably without paying even more salary.

Consider Kotalik to be the polar opposite of Betts. A power play specialist vs. a penalty killing specialist. Only difference is, as we've learned this year - penalty killers easier replaced than PP specialists.
If Kotalik was above average defensively and killed penalties, I could maybe find a way to tolerate his lack of offensive production and $3 mil salary... But he's neither so I cannot tolerate him soaking up $3 mil in cap space to play 4th line minutes and not produce anything but short-handed goals on our PP.

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12-29-2009, 09:28 PM
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First off, you need to apply the Garrioch discount whenever he writes something. I'm not sure his drivel is much different that Eklund. Probably not thread worthy.

Higgins has value. He's playing well but not scoring. His expiring contract is appealing. If Sather wants to move him, there will be a market. Teams will take a chance that his goalscoring touch will return.

As for Kotalik, you tell me. He was an expiring contract last year at the trade deadline and brought back a second. I can't imagine that contract has enhanced his value. At this point, I'm not sure his parents would take him back in a deal.

So what have I learned here that I didn't know already?

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12-29-2009, 09:50 PM
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I would gladly re-sign Higgins on a 1 year deal next year if he agreed to sign for say, $1.5-$1.8 mil.... Which obviously is a paycut from his current contract but much deserved based on the lack of production.... The guy will produce again, when is anyone's guess.... At least he's not a player we can criticize for lack of effort, just lack of execution.... Kotalik on the other hand, the guy plays hard 25% of the time and looks disinterested the other 75%....

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12-29-2009, 10:35 PM
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Really slam sports? That's your rumor? I got another one for you. Rangers are listening to all offers for Wade Redden. That was easy.

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12-29-2009, 11:27 PM
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Both players can be moved...

Less than a year ago the Oilers traded their 2nd round pick for Kotalik. Ales will have 2 years remaining on his contract, which isn't brutal at all. Throughout his entire career, Kotalik's been a streaky scorer, and hockey player. Anyone who's watched the Sabres for the last few season's has a very good understanding of what type of player he is.

He's simply not a good fit for this team. Or this coaching staff. That doesn't mean every single GM in the league has lost complete interest in him.

I think Higgins can fetch a little less than what Antropov/Kots got last season. Bout a third, which is what Sather gambled on Boyle.

Now's not the time to sell though... I'm glad to see some people here called that out immediately.

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12-29-2009, 11:56 PM
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Both players can be moved...

Less than a year ago the Oilers traded their 2nd round pick for Kotalik. Ales will have 2 years remaining on his contract, which isn't brutal at all. Throughout his entire career, Kotalik's been a streaky scorer, and hockey player. Anyone who's watched the Sabres for the last few season's has a very good understanding of what type of player he is.

He's simply not a good fit for this team. Or this coaching staff. That doesn't mean every single GM in the league has lost complete interest in him.

I think Higgins can fetch a little less than what Antropov/Kots got last season. Bout a third, which is what Sather gambled on Boyle.

Now's not the time to sell though... I'm glad to see some people here called that out immediately.

At this point I would be hard pressed to compare Higgins & Antropov........Higgins isn't going to sniff Antropov's production from last year. I know he could get hot, but 29 goals is a long loooooong way off.

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12-30-2009, 12:27 AM
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You could compare him to Dom Moore who also fetched a 2nd round pick last year.

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12-30-2009, 08:29 AM
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This may be against the conventional thinking around here, because everyone is so blinded by his frustrating lack of finishing (and for very good reason) - but during the last press bit with Tortorella, he said this about Higgins -

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"He's done so many good things - He's done all of the things we've asked of him. He's done very well, he's been hard, straight ahead, he's killed penalties, he's a guy we put on the ice after we've scored a goal to have another momentum shift, he's a guy i'll use at the end of a game..."
In a normal circumstance, this isn't the type of glowing quote you would hear from a coach about a guy on the chopping block. (or you can read into this and say that Torts has been instructed to talk up the guy to increase his trade value, but thats another theory all together)

It's obvious Torts is happy with what hes getting sans the goal scoring. If Higgins continues to play like this... who's to say they wont resign him - for half of what he makes now on another one year deal as a depth signing. I know it may sound ludicrous right now, but if you rid the team of some large contracts over the summer (Redden waive or buyout, Rozy dump, etc.) you could have Higgins, a guy with top 6 potential playing a 3rd line role for 3rd line money and still have a guy who can step up and play big minutes if necessary while not exactly hurting the team...

Buying low shouldn't be limited to just Sathers reclamation projects from outside the organization, they should look within on certain occasions. I'm not saying this will happen, but wouldnt you rather have a Higgins playing for around 1.5 instead of a Brashear? A lot depends on the maturation of the youngens. You may need a spot to carry Grachev next season and that may be it. But someone is going to get a very hardworking player and potential 20 goal scorer for a good price.

But... like I said, thats not the conventional thinking now considering the guy has 4 goals and for good reason.

Either way, it would be wise to hold onto him for now. If someone comes knocking at the deadline with a deal that makes sense - you pull the trigger.

Just food for thought.

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12-30-2009, 09:02 AM
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I don't know what people expected from Kotalik to begin with. He's exactly the guy we signed and isn't producing less than he has in the last couple of years. He's terribly inconsistent and only good for 40-50 points, which he is on pace four.

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I don't know what people expected from Kotalik to begin with.
I expected him to help improve the PP. It's now 6th in the league and Kotalik is tied for 2nd on the team w/ 14 PPP. Done and dusted.

I had expected Kotalik to be inconsistent at ES, but what I can't figure out is how someone could be inconsistent at ripping shots from the point. If that's the game plan, you just do it. Honestly, that doesn't appear to be the game plan for DZ and Kotalik anymore though.

My bigger concern is how Torts is going to help Kotalik get back to being a contributing member of the team. Anyone waiting for Kotalik to figure it out on his own, take your coat off and have a seat.

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Read the top of the article it says they could be options for Murray. How about a Cheechoo for Kotalik swap? Cheechoo may not be the same without Thornton but he shows up to play every night.

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12-30-2009, 12:28 PM
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You could compare him to Dom Moore who also fetched a 2nd round pick last year.
I guess...although a 2nd seemed high than & now. If we could get a 2nd for Higgins that would be fantastic.

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Read the top of the article it says they could be options for Murray. How about a Cheechoo for Kotalik swap? Cheechoo may not be the same without Thornton but he shows up to play every night.

How about for Higgins.

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