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12-30-2009, 02:11 PM
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Composite equivalent to Sherwood PMP 5030?

I was a long-time user of the Sherwood P.M.P. 5030 but I can't use them anymore because I grew too tall and they only make them in 60" length. (I'm 6'4" now; I like a stick to be around 61 1/2".) I got a couple PMP 9970s a few years ago but they're way too stiff and I assume the current 9950s are the same way…has anyone ever found a composite/one-piece stick that feels very similar, of any brand? (They don't have to be extra-long because I can add a buttend extension; from when I've flexed Sherwood composites in a store the equivalent *seems* to be 95, would others concur with this assessment in terms of actual usage? [I don't want to buy one just to try it out because they're >$100 each.])


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Have you tried the SWD 7000?

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Have you tried the SWD 7000?
No I haven't but according to the website of an online dealer that sells them they are only 60" long—I think the lowest I could go is 61" without straining my back.

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If you still want wood you can try the TPS aircraft cores, i believe they are 61 1/2" and have almost the same blade patterns as Sherwood woodies. Decent woodies are hard to come by these days so you might have to search a bit.

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If you still want wood you can try the TPS aircraft cores, i believe they are 61 1/2" and have almost the same blade patterns as Sherwood woodies. Decent woodies are hard to come by these days so you might have to search a bit.
Do you know what kind of flexibility they offer though? I found a few places that have them online but they didn't mention *anything* about stiffness, I'll fire off some emails inquiring but have you personally used both the Sherwood 5030s and a TPS model that felt similar?

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Do you know what kind of flexibility they offer though? I found a few places that have them online but they didn't mention *anything* about stiffness, I'll fire off some emails inquiring but have you personally used both the Sherwood 5030s and a TPS model that felt similar?
I havnt used a sherwood in YEARS, the TPS are between 85-95 depending on the randomness of the stick you pick up. Sometimes you will get a really stiff one.

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Last year Sherwood released a stick called the 5030cc, which was a composite version of the 5030. I don't think they continued the line, but you might be able to find some at your LHS still. Personally, I love the stick and you can find them for around $60-80US. They last longer than a woodie 5030 too.

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Last year Sherwood released a stick called the 5030cc, which was a composite version of the 5030. I don't think they continued the line, but you might be able to find some at your LHS still. Personally, I love the stick and you can find them for around $60-80US. They last longer than a woodie 5030 too.
These do look interesting but are you sure they can be made longer than 60"? I found one site which has the following description:

Weight / Length (includes flat removable end plug):
N/A / 61"
(http://www.icewarehouse.com/descpage.html?pcode=SW53C)

so I could presumably add a longer plug, but from the pictures from it and other sites it looks like a solid-piece shaft which can't be extended. (I sent them an email asking them to confirm the end plug, hopefully they'll respond.) (Also I don't like any of the curves offered, but I could live with one of them if I had to [I like a mild mid- curve i.e. old-style Bourque]).

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I havnt used a sherwood in YEARS, the TPS are between 85-95 depending on the randomness of the stick you pick up. Sometimes you will get a really stiff one.
Thanks, but you're right—it is extremely hard to find them online (except for the goalie version). If anyone knows of a site that might be likely to have them please don't hesitate to post the link here.

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These do look interesting but are you sure they can be made longer than 60"? I found one site which has the following description:

Weight / Length (includes flat removable end plug):
N/A / 61"
(http://www.icewarehouse.com/descpage.html?pcode=SW53C)

so I could presumably add a longer plug, but from the pictures from it and other sites it looks like a solid-piece shaft which can't be extended. (I sent them an email asking them to confirm the end plug, hopefully they'll respond.) (Also I don't like any of the curves offered, but I could live with one of them if I had to [I like a mild mid- curve i.e. old-style Bourque]).
You shouldn't have any problem putting a plug in it. It's a standard opening at the top of the shaft like the rest of the composites I've seen. There is a black plug that should come out fairly easily, the piece only goes into it about 1" or therabouts, no glue or anything like that keeping it in.

The Spezza is probably the closest to the Bourque that you'll be able to find in that line. In fact, all I've been able to find as far as the 5030cc's go are Coffey and Spezza curves, and the Coffey (which I like a lot) is probably not what you're looking for as it has a 3/4" curve to it.

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You shouldn't have any problem putting a plug in it. It's a standard opening at the top of the shaft like the rest of the composites I've seen. There is a black plug that should come out fairly easily, the piece only goes into it about 1" or therabouts, no glue or anything like that keeping it in.

The Spezza is probably the closest to the Bourque that you'll be able to find in that line. In fact, all I've been able to find as far as the 5030cc's go are Coffey and Spezza curves, and the Coffey (which I like a lot) is probably not what you're looking for as it has a 3/4" curve to it.
Good to know thanks for your help—this does sound appetizing I wish I could see one in person (if it were just wood i.e. approx. $30 I might just order one).

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I was a long-time user of the Sherwood P.M.P. 5030 but I can't use them anymore because I grew too tall and they only make them in 60" length. (I'm 6'4" now; I like a stick to be around 61 1/2".) I got a couple PMP 9970s a few years ago but they're way too stiff and I assume the current 9950s are the same way…has anyone ever found a composite/one-piece stick that feels very similar, of any brand? (They don't have to be extra-long because I can add a buttend extension; from when I've flexed Sherwood composites in a store the equivalent *seems* to be 95, would others concur with this assessment in terms of actual usage? [I don't want to buy one just to try it out because they're >$100 each.])
Would you be interested in using a two piece system for a stick? It would solve a couple of things for you the first one being you could use a buttend either made from wood or composite material to make your length the length you need. You can still do that with a one piece if that is what you want.

I am also 6ft 4 inches tall and when I used woodies had to settle for shorter sticks and had to just deal with it. I actually made wood sticks longer by cutting the end off to make it square and cutting a piece of shaft from a broken stick to add a few inches and used thin flat metal with holes in it to secure the weird buttend onto the stick I cut. Then I would tape over the metal screwed onto the buttend and shaft I made because it was the handle. it added weight however but it did work.

Anyway back to the business at hand .... the two piece also frees you up to buy replacement blades for the curve you preferred on the 5030. You should be able to find the blade you like on a one piece as well if you go that way. I just find a two piece more economical for me as I like to use different blades on a whim. I buy some different curve patterns for whatever my mood is.

My composite sticks are all 61-1/2" as well .... nice to see someone else who knows how long their stick should be!

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Would you be interested in using a two piece system for a stick? It would solve a couple of things for you the first one being you could use a buttend either made from wood or composite material to make your length the length you need. You can still do that with a one piece if that is what you want.

I am also 6ft 4 inches tall and when I used woodies had to settle for shorter sticks and had to just deal with it. I actually made wood sticks longer by cutting the end off to make it square and cutting a piece of shaft from a broken stick to add a few inches and used thin flat metal with holes in it to secure the weird buttend onto the stick I cut. Then I would tape over the metal screwed onto the buttend and shaft I made because it was the handle. it added weight however but it did work.

Anyway back to the business at hand .... the two piece also frees you up to buy replacement blades for the curve you preferred on the 5030. You should be able to find the blade you like on a one piece as well if you go that way. I just find a two piece more economical for me as I like to use different blades on a whim. I buy some different curve patterns for whatever my mood is.

My composite sticks are all 61-1/2" as well .... nice to see someone else who knows how long their stick should be!
I would absolutely be open to *any* kind of stick, the discussion had just recently veered into discussion of woodies, in fact I would *prefer* it if I could find a two-piece (or one-piece with end plug, unless that's the same thing), just as long as it *feels* fairly similar to the PMP 5030 SC, for reasons similar to those that you list (in fact that was sort of the point of the request in the original post).

It's just nuts with all the choices out there now, though, plus you can't really try stuff without buying one and at >$100/stick it's not feasible for me.

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Last year Sherwood released a stick called the 5030cc, which was a composite version of the 5030. I don't think they continued the line, but you might be able to find some at your LHS still. Personally, I love the stick and you can find them for around $60-80US. They last longer than a woodie 5030 too.
I just bought one of these today at Canadian Tire for 29$ It's the most I've ever paid for a stick,but it felt good in my hands so I grabbed it.Thought it was too light n flexible for a wood stick but it actually feels like your holding a wood one. I'm 5'7" n the butt end comes up to my eyebrows so I'm gonna leave it because it has a rocker heel.I finally figured out after all these years that I need a stick like Martin St.Lous..Long with a low lie.This one has a6 lie which I can shave the heel if need be.Can't wait to use it!
I agree with the two piece stick as well.It's nice to be able to put any blade you want in n you can make the stick long as you want.

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No I haven't but according to the website of an online dealer that sells them they are only 60" long—I think the lowest I could go is 61" without straining my back.
just get a stick extension.
http://www.inlinewarehouse.com/Hocke...ge-EJPLUG.html

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Hopefully it didn't take him 5+ years to resolve this.

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Hopefully it didn't take him 5+ years to resolve this.
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I just bought one of these today at Canadian Tire for 29$ It's the most I've ever paid for a stick,but it felt good in my hands so I grabbed it.Thought it was too light n flexible for a wood stick but it actually feels like your holding a wood one. I'm 5'7" n the butt end comes up to my eyebrows so I'm gonna leave it because it has a rocker heel.I finally figured out after all these years that I need a stick like Martin St.Lous..Long with a low lie.This one has a6 lie which I can shave the heel if need be.Can't wait to use it!
I agree with the two piece stick as well.It's nice to be able to put any blade you want in n you can make the stick long as you want.
For the record, the 5030 CC merely LOOKS liket he 5030, in no way is it 'equivalent' to any wood stick.

There is no such thing as a composite stick with foams and composite materials being 'equivalent' to a wood stick. Some have said certain sticks may feel similar, such as the One95, or the Nexus 1000.

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For the record, the 5030 CC merely LOOKS liket he 5030, in no way is it 'equivalent' to any wood stick.

There is no such thing as a composite stick with foams and composite materials being 'equivalent' to a wood stick. Some have said certain sticks may feel similar, such as the One95, or the Nexus 1000.
Agree totally,Am just saying this stick feels (similar) like a wood one in my hands but lighter.I never said they were equivalent to composites.I have tried out a few of my teammates compo sticks and although light, They all felt like they would snap like a twig.I'm used to using wood sticks as thats all I've ever had.I prefer the heavier weight and like the stick with not much flex in the shaft.This one I just purchased seems heavier than a composte but feels more like your holding a wood one.

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Have you looked into any Christian brothers sticks?

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Had one of those when I was a kid in the late 70's.From what I recall,it was green with black lettering n heavy.Had a good blade on it.The stick was gifted to me by an older guy when I broke my cooper.He just handed it to me n went and grabbed another of his sticks.Talk about bein nice!Didn't know they still made those.

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