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01-04-2010, 03:47 PM
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Penner for #1 Centre...

I propose giving Penner a shot at centre this year to see if he is can fill the role of top line centre going forward.

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1. The season is a write off. If we try it out and lose some games it isn't a big problem. He can always go back to wing.

2. Penner has proved himself this year. Giving him a new challenge now would be the perfect time. He has a lot of confidence and even if it went bad for him the year would still be overwhelmingly positive as a whole.

3. He has played centre before and seems to be a pretty decent faceoff man. He plays a simple and safe game defensively and could hopefully handle the skating without being a defensive liability. Putting him in the middle would take advantage of his size more on the defensive end by getting him involved down low in the corners. In the middle of the ice his reach would be an advantage. Offensively in the middle he could be more of a net presense.

4. There is no obvious #1C on the team or in the system. It would be a pretty big surprise if Gagner or Horcoff were to do something this year to cement themeselves in the #1C role. Most of our top offensive forward prospects are wingers. (Svensson, Eberle, Omark, etc.) Eberle could be a possible exception but most seem to have him pencilled in on the wing. Penner fits the prototype sizewise for the #1C role unlike anyone in the system and we have him locked up to a decent contract.

5. The risk/reward ratio is favourable. Minimal risk in trying somehting out now. But the payoff would be huge. The top line centre has consistently been the one of the hardest pieces to find. If Penner thrived in the role it would fill something that we have been having difficulty with, while opening up a top line spot for a youngster. We would be turning a weakness into a strength if it worked out.

Obviously if Penner is not good in the role then he should stay in his current position. But I would be in favour of taking the chance at this point in order to possibly improve the team going forward.

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I don't see any reason to not try it.

I haven't seen an Oilers game since I was at the St. Louis drubbing. Penner took every faceoff for Horcoff in that one anyways...is Horcoff still not taking draws?

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Penner has proved himself this year

can you post his last ten games scoring stats please--my computer is blinking at me and I can not find them

Penner has reverted back to the guy who played 160 games here the previous two years

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I really think it's a bad idea to try Brad Isbister at centre. I mean Ryan Smyth. I mean Fernando Pisani. I mean Zach Stortini. I mean Dustin Penner.

At some point the Oilers need to realize that it takes a different skill-set to play centre than it does to play wing. I don't think Dustin Penner skates well enough to play a reliable defensive game at centre. He plays a power game off the wing and I don't think moving him to centre would help the Oilers or him personally.

If we're not happy with our situation at centre, we need to acquire a better centreman - not shift one of our wingers to the position.

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Have Brule-Gagner-Penner tied to the hip for the rest of the year and the rest of the lines will have to be scrambled eggs. This will help us going into next year to have at least one line with cohesion, as I see mass overhaul for the forwards going into next year.

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Have Brule-Gagner-Penner tied to the hip for the rest of the year and the rest of the lines will have to be scrambled eggs. This will help us going into next year to have at least one line with cohesion, as I see mass overhaul for the forwards going into next year.
At this point, I really don't understand why we shouldn't just go with Penner-Gagner-Brule as a line. It has some potential going forward and there is no doubt they have some chemistry (so it's not like we're trying to force something that isn't there).

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I really think it's a bad idea to try Brad Isbister at centre. I mean Ryan Smyth. I mean Fernando Pisani. I mean Zach Stortini. I mean Dustin Penner.

At some point the Oilers need to realize that it takes a different skill-set to play centre than it does to play wing. I don't think Dustin Penner skates well enough to play a reliable defensive game at centre. He plays a power game off the wing and I don't think moving him to centre would help the Oilers or him personally.

If we're not happy with our situation at centre, we need to acquire a better centreman - not shift one of our wingers to the position.
We have what 10 guys that are centerman and we want to keep trying wingers at center throughout the lineup? I have no problem trying Stortini on the fourth line, but like you said we need an actual center to play center on the top 2 lines. Still not sure why they don't give Brule more faceoffs.

It would be a different story if we had injuries to our centerman, but we have Gagner, Nilsson, Cogliano, O'Sullivan, Horcoff, Potulny, Brule, Comrie and Stone all of whom play or played center why are we still doing this?

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Penner has proved himself this year

can you post his last ten games scoring stats please--my computer is blinking at me and I can not find them

Penner has reverted back to the guy who played 160 games here the previous two years
I was looking at the year to date as a whole. Most seem to agree he is greatly improved this year. If you take your opinion based on the most recent 10 games then it is going to vary over the course of a season. Penner has had good and bad 10 game stretches over his time here. But taken as a whole the majority would agree that his game is much improved and that the year has been a success for Penner.

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Penner has proved himself this year

can you post his last ten games scoring stats please--my computer is blinking at me and I can not find them

Penner has reverted back to the guy who played 160 games here the previous two years
Can you blame him? Not saying he should be absolved for the laziness but honestly, if he's the only one putting "effort" throughout the season and nobody else is helping him carry the weight, I don't see any reason he should go all out when the end result is another loss anyway.

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At this point, I really don't understand why we shouldn't just go with Penner-Gagner-Brule as a line. It has some potential going forward and there is no doubt they have some chemistry (so it's not like we're trying to force something that isn't there).
The Oilers need to understand the concept of line-building. Ultimately you want a line of playmaker-shooter-net-crasher. But it also needs elements of defensive awareness, size and experience. It would also be nice if the sticks matchup for the playmaker and sniper, so it make some natural one-timers off the rush. Thats why bringing in players with more skillsets is better than having all these one dimensional players, even if that one dimension is very good. Pat Quinn looks to be trying to impose this on the team, but there just isn't enough pieces for him to work with right now.

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Can you blame him? Not saying he should be absolved for the laziness but honestly, if he's the only one putting "effort" throughout the season and nobody else is helping him carry the weight, I don't see any reason he should go all out when the end result is another loss anyway.
Do you think it's a lack of effort on this team, or just not being very good?

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